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Will We Ever See SAA Ordering 777s?  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2739 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

Do you think that there is a chance to see SAA ordering 777s?


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

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Do you think that there is a chance to see SAA ordering 777s?

No, i don't think they will order them, simply because the A340 family offerst them what they want! They are moving towards an all-airbus airline anyway..


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

They will withdraw their 737NGs, I think


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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

I believe a long-haul twin makes no sense for SAA at this time. The trans-oceanic long-haul routes SA flies are basically JNB - the Americas, and JNB - Australia/Asia. JNB - North America/HKG can be accomplished under ETOPS, but I believe JNB - South America and JNB - Australia are not ETOPS routes (I'm open to correction on this). It wouldn't make any sense for SA to invest in ETOPS certification for a small subset of its routes. It makes sense to have a single fleet of long-haul craft that can be rotated through the routes as needed, instead of having what would essentially be a sub-fleet dedicated to a few routes -- which is (I guess) the major reason why the A330 hasn't found its way into the SA fleet either.


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

SAA wont withdraw their 738 fleet, they phased out 732 and got A319 instead. Dont see a order for 777 though, they got 6-7 A346. Maybe 777F in the pipeline

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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

I heard they would withdraw their 737NGs in 2010


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

They already did, in the 90's IIRC, but the order was subsequently cancelled.

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4321 times:
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I posted a link to the Boeing report on the SAA 777 order some months ago and was roundly flamed for doing so and "misinforming" the forum so I won't do it again, but if you check boeing.com you will find it.

My wife's boss has a model of a 787 in SAA colours in his office....



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8496 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4216 times:
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SAA did have an order for 4 777 in the early 1990's. After a decision was made to re-fleet with Airbus A320 and A340's the order died. SAA used the deposit money from the 777 order to finance part of the 737-800 order SAA has today.

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
I posted a link to the Boeing report on the SAA 777 order some months ago and was roundly flamed for doing so and "misinforming" the forum so I won't do it again, but if you check boeing.com you will find it.

Do you remember which T7s those were supposed to be?

I think it is very unlikely that they'll get some, but it can't be ruled out.

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
My wife's boss has a model of a 787 in SAA colours in his office....

That is a different story.


User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

I don't think a SA B777 is ever going to see African soil.
I do however think SA could order B748i's some day to replace it's current B744 fleet for its LHR flights.
SA is barely making a profit at the moment and the profit they are making is artificially inflated by Govt bailouts, so I don't see anything ordered in the short term- although I hope I'm wrong.



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User currently offlineQwame From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4098 times:

SA is barely making a profit at the moment and the profit they are making is artificially inflated by Govt bailouts, so I don't see anything ordered in the short term- although I hope I'm wrong.

Somehow I think you are misinformed about SAA's profitability.


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

Unfortunately, SAA isn't gonna to order from Boeing in the near future!


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User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

Quoting Qwame (Reply 11):
Somehow I think you are misinformed about SAA's profitability.

Somehow you are misinformed, look at this article from a SA newspaper:
www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articl...023&area=insight_economy_business/

Be sure to read the part about Govt bailouts and a big accounting change to put SAA into profitabilty.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8656 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Quoting AT502B (Reply 10):
SA is barely making a profit at the moment and the profit they are making is artificially inflated by Govt bailouts, so I don't see anything ordered in the short term- although I hope I'm wrong.

Lack of profitability is not usually a big deterrent to ordering new planes, especially if those new planes can help the airline go back to profitability. Look at most US legacy carriers. They're not exactly making money and they are ordering new planes, even while in bankrupcy.


User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
Lack of profitability is not usually a big deterrent to ordering new planes, especially if those new planes can help the airline go back to profitability. Look at most US legacy carriers. They're not exactly making money and they are ordering new planes, even while in bankrupcy.

Yeah, I realize that, and I hope SAA does order new planes. The only difference is SA is Government owned and funded and with the current uproar about the Mango LCC startup, the taxpayers are not going to be happy with any new orders. Hopefully this will change in the coming years.

Also the legacy carriers in the USA are hardly ordering planes in great numbers, and UA actually deferred A320 deliveries as well as US while in BK.



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