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F9's New DEN-BDL Route  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

It'll be nice to see F9 tap into the New England market again. I would have personally liked to see them at MHT or PVD (closer to the BOS area), but BDL will probably work well for them.

The New Englad market is just too big to ignore forever. Now, let the Gulf South expansion begin....just kidding.

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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5311 times:

Congratulations to Hartford and Frontier. Good to see them starting to add some new cities again. Hopefullly there will be more to come.. Oh please let there be at least one more to come..  eyepopping 


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

wow - good for BDL. I can only hope PVD can get on the F9 radar screen...

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 2):
I can only hope PVD can get on the F9 radar screen...

How is the gate situation at PVD? That seems to be the biggest issue every time I've been there. They are all taken except A2 which is an equipment parking lot for US. The other end is so crowded all the time that there is no space to move.. What's the temporary remedy to the problem?



Aiming High and going far..
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17500 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

When did they announce BDL? How did I miss that? And how are they going to survive with WN pricing and schedule?


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

Ive heard this was comming for a while now. i had even heard it was planned then pulled when WN announced DEN, so a little delayed.

The good thing is that BDL is not a BOS alternative and can possibly lead to other airports in New England getting the service since BDL is not convenient to BOS, nor do they compete with MHT or PVD.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

Nice startup fares.

BDL to DEN at $99 ow. BDL to AUS $92 ow.

http://www.frontierairlines.com/frontier/specials/online-deals/intro-fares.do



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

Good news for BDL, but just one flight per day? And an eastbound redeye at that? Well, I guess if you're the only nonstop game in town...

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

Looks like only a single red eye right now.

Denver to Hartford
Flight Number Departs Arrives Frequency
313 11:55 p.m. 5:35 a.m. Daily*

Hartford to Denver
Flight Number Departs Arrives Frequency
314 7:35 a.m. 9:50 a.m. Daily*



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

Hmmm, a route United doesn't fly non-stop. We'll see if United suddenly discovers it.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Yuck, i just saw its a red-eye DEN-BDL. the outbound times are good, but short red-eyes (4 hrs) are not fun.

I was figuring theyd start with an evening turn. While good for a/c utilization, not great for attracting pax. With crappy times, i wonder if UA will bother to respond?



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
How is the gate situation at PVD?

for a carrier like F9 - no problem at all since I HIGHLY doubt they will lease thier own gate. With all the capacity cutting by DL, AA, NW, and US - there are plenty of gates to share depending on the time of day...

FL or B6 would be tough to squeeze in right now without getting creative.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 11):
FL or B6 would be tough to squeeze in right now without getting creative.

Well we know AA has no use for Gate 12 anymore!



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Here's the release:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061128/latu060.html?.v=81



Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
Well we know AA has no use for Gate 12 anymore!

they barely have use for gate 14 too!!

seriously though, I suppose I should be happy they are hare at all at this point...


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Read this quote...

Frontier's service launch in Hartford marks the airline's return to New England. Until now, Hartford was the second largest unserved market from Denver, and the largest market from Denver to not have service in the last two years. Frontier previously provided service between Denver and Boston until 2002.

1 question.. What's the largest market without nonstop service?  angel  And when are they going to rectify THAT problem?



Aiming High and going far..
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17500 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Yuck, i just saw its a red-eye DEN-BDL. the outbound times are good, but short red-eyes (4 hrs) are not fun.

I wish them luck but yeesh, that's going to be an ugly uphill slog with that schedule and WN in the market. I bet it will be full though.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 2):
wow - good for BDL. I can only hope PVD can get on the F9 radar screen...

Does UA fly that route?


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17500 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 17):
Does UA fly that route?

Nope.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25253 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4967 times:
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Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
1 question.. What's the largest market without nonstop service?

Um - BOS perhaps? I think that is what they mean.

I guess they're using the old Hollywood motto - screw me once, Massport, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.

They're not giving Massport a chance to screw 'em twice.  Smile

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
yeesh, that's going to be an ugly uphill slog with that schedule and WN in the market.

Almost anywhere Frontier chooses would have Southwest in the market, or close. But - they've survived LAX-SFO and are adding some 80 seats to that next week.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
I bet it will be full though.

That would be good. So I'm not clear why it will be an ugly, uphill slog?

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4261 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):
1 question.. What's the largest market without nonstop service? And when are they going to rectify THAT problem?

That's an interesting question.
If they couldn't make BOS work for whatever reason, what makes them think that BDL is going to be any better?



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 17):
Does UA fly that route?

Not as of today but I suspect they'll be adding it to the spring schedule, too. It's a good market for them out of IAD and ORD, so I'm sure they'd do well on it from DEN.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 20):
If they couldn't make BOS work for whatever reason, what makes them think that BDL is going to be any better?

BOS failed due to operational issues that Massport (reportedly) failed to even care about with respect to F9. Loads were good but costs to operate at BOS made the flights unprofitable especially with the longer stage length (fuel).


User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

One of the things that seems to be lost in the BDL announcement is the fact that the BWI station will close effective Januray 8th. I know Frontier has their own employees there above wing. I hope they are able to find something in the Baltimore/DC area within F9.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
Um - BOS perhaps? I think that is what they mean.

BOS has nonstop service. It may not be on F9, but they do have nonstop so it can't be them..



Aiming High and going far..
25 Bicoastal : Interesting. Looks like Southwest cleaned their clock on that route....Mariner set me straight if I'm wrong. I wonder, in addition to UA, if WN will
26 USPIT10L : Good question. When will F9 step up and provide RDU-DEN service? That's really the only major market not served nonstop from RDU.
27 Airbazar : Or maybe they just can't compete with both UA and B6 on the same route. Looks pretty good for the skiing crowd and that's probably what they're going
28 ERJ170 : Sort of... I think the order is BAY (SFO, OAK, SJC) then DEN then MCI, or something to that effect..
29 A330300 : As an employee, the shuttering of the BWI station seems to be of more concern. We go from 2x, to 1x, to none - is this erosion of our market share to
30 RL757PVD : That i doubt, compared to other stations WN is not really big at BDL They have 22 flights now, shrinking down to 19 flights by the spring. UA may do
31 Post contains images Mariner : Two parts (i) Your theory would be that if Frontier starts it, United will? That probably was true (DEN-CUN and the other resorts, eg), but I'm not s
32 Boslax : Frontier operated in the old terminal A at BOS and needed to find another carrier to provide their under-the-wing service in the other terminals sinc
33 MaverickM11 : It's a little early to call it "surviving". At this point I'd say they haven't given up. The first two months weren't even 50% full. I think it's goi
34 AirEMS : Seriously I would love to see F9 going to ILM!! I would love to see a non stop there from Denver. -Carl
35 Post contains images Mariner : I'd say adding seats is not exacty dying. We used to give airlines a year to make a dent in a new route. I guess those days have gone. But - 50%? Tha
36 Post contains images Walter747 : AA uses gate 12 wat 3 times day day and DL has 3 gates never all being used at once and NW has two they barley use. Spirit gate wow they use it what
37 Post contains links and images Mariner : Here's a little tid-bit for you - it seems you are not alone with your wish: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news...story?coll=hc-headlines-local-wir
38 Flyibaby : Mariner You are obviously the F9 guru on here, so I ask a question. Why don't they try and gain more marketshare in Alaska. Yes I know they already fl
39 MSYtristar : DEN-BWI always had STRONG booking when I was with the airline. Honestly, closing BWI shocks me. It's too bad that WN entered the market. It's always s
40 Post contains images Mariner : I have no "inside information" (or if I did, I wouldn't use it), but, to try and answer your questions: It is a very small airline, and the bigger ai
41 CALMSP : wow, i'm not to gung-ho or confident on the red-eye. what time is the last major bank into DEN for F9???
42 Bicoastal : Either a friendly or hostile take over by United?? With Southwest now in Denver, the government can't argue that there isn't low cost competition to
43 Post contains images Mariner : I don't think so. I think Frontier is much too useful to United - at DEN - as a separate company. Or even - not just at DEN. If Virgin America does s
44 MAH4546 : They flew the route for a while in the late 1990s/early 2000s.
45 Post contains images Mariner : I tend not to waste energy getting gung-ho or otherwise about things that have not - yet - happened. But the CEO used to work for PSA when the Midnig
46 SANFan : Regarding the red-eye timing of the new BDL flight, a couple of things I noticed on F9 sked's: 1) although F9 does hardly any e/b red-eyes, one of 2 t
47 MSYtristar : Usually the DEN red eyes have been flown seasonally, so I would expect BDL to see a more traditional departure time...maybe in the 10:00am bank...with
48 HVNandrew : No, UA dropped their DEN-BDL route pre-9/11. Well, even though that return flight isn't ideal, any new service is good for BDL, considering BDL's big
49 ChrisNH : Yes, as was said earlier I ddon't think it was Massport that caused Frontier to leave Boston. But God only knows that Massport causes grief in the na
50 ERJ170 : Ahhh.. the people have spoken. Now to get someone at Frontier to listen. And bring it twice daily.. Frontier can you hear me? Can you hear me calling
51 Post contains images Mariner : Massport was big part of it. LCC's were not "in favor" then. When Terminal A was closed, Massport basically told Frontier to pound sand - to go to MH
52 ERJ170 : Well I did what I could. I emailed F9 asking them to come to RDU. I've done my part.. unless I need to think larger.. shall I call the TV studio to s
53 Post contains images Mariner : I'd guess that Frontier is at least considering the idea, or they wouldn't have mentioned it. They often drop hints that somehow come true, if not qu
54 Bicoastal : Why focus solely on Frontier? Why not try United and Southwest?
55 ERJ170 : A. Because I'm interested in new carriers at RDU. B. United doesn't bring mainline to RDU and they have tried with RJ and it just doesn't work. C. So
56 Post contains images FATFlyer : Too bad it will never be back to the old PSA Midnight Flyer fare in the 1970's of $10 each way. Now that would really be real good fun.
57 Post contains links and images Mariner : That's true, but if they kept the fares reaonable, it might work: http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/TIMETABLES-PSA.html "The final flight of the n
58 CasInterest : For Frontier this would seem to be a no brainer. If RDU is the biggest requested destination, they should start it. Not only is their demand for peop
59 PVD757 : RDU-PVD would be an interesting route for WN to look at too...
60 COERJ145 : MHT has an Ex-Indy Air gate avalible for use during those hours. No other carrier has aquired it yet.
61 LGAtoIND : I think this route should do well for F9. The fact that Frontier does not serve New England at all right now, coupled with the fact that no one serves
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