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Speedbird 23F Heavy - On JFK Delivery, 11.30pm GMT  
User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7263 times:

Hi,

I'm listening to JFK delivery right now, (28th Nov, 11.30pm UK time) via this website:

http://audio.liveatc.net:8012/kjfk_del_gnd

I've heard "Speedbird two-three foxtrot heavy" several times, I just wondered if anyone knows what this call-sign refers to?

As far as I can make out, BA doesn't fly freighter service to JFK (normally signified by the 'F' in the flight number). BA23F does show-up on this site - http://www.panynj.gov/aviation/fidsframe_jfk.html as a scheduled 1830hrs departure from JFK to LHR. However, the passenger flight with a 1830hrs departure time is BA112!

I'm very confused..........  Confused

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7258 times:

Maybe it's a flight operated by Global Supply Systems for British Airways World Cargo? Does Global Supply Systems even use the BA callsign?

User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 982 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7242 times:

See

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW23F

This is a 747-400, so I would suggest it is a passenger flight. See this recent thread also:

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3095489/

[Edited 2006-11-29 00:52:00]

User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7194 times:

Good information, thank you. So as far as I can make out, it's BA112, the regularly scheduled 1830hrs departure, that operates as "Speedbird two-three-foxtrot Heavy" instead of Speedbird one-one-two heavy".

There is Aer Lingus 112, Aerosvit 132, American 122, Delta 112 and Air India 112 that all depart around the same time, so the use of 23F makes sense to avoid confusion, in this instance.

Got it, thanks!

[Edited 2006-11-29 01:00:10]

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Airlines often use codes like those, usually to avoid ATC confusion. Some other BA examples are:

BA058 CPT-LHR = BA58L
BA092 YYZ-LHR = BA5CA
BA098 YYZ-LHR = BA7TA
BA176 JFK-LHR = BA14J
BA212 BOS-LHR = BA45B
BA214 BOS-LHR = BA14G
BA215 LHR-BOS = BA51G
BA216 IAD-LHR = BA6W
BA218 DEN-LHR = BA17V
BA288 PHX-LHR = BA28F
BA292 IAD-LHR = BA27W
BA296 ORD-LHR = BA24R


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6866 times:

Yes, they're increasing all the time and becoming rather common nowadays. Alitalia has a few alpha-numerics across the Pond as well, namely AZA63M, AZA63R and another one which is really bizarre - it's something like AZA7P9!

R


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12898 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6465 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Does Global Supply Systems even use the BA callsign?

Yes they do.



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 6):
Yes they do.

Always in fact. Usually Speedbird 357_ sequence on the Pond iirc.

R


User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1338 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5440 times:

As noted above, BA are using alpha numeric call signs instead of the usual flight numbes to avoid ATC confusion. Hopefully someone will post the cross-references in due course!

User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Our AZ625 SFO-MXP was often ATC coded as AZA62F. Reason given was less ATC confusion...as stated often above. This is not an uncommon event; a lot of UA flights had a special 8000 series ATC code (for which reason I don't know why...just heard it on ch 9). Haven't flown UA for awhile now so don't know if they still do this.

baw716



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User currently offlineGSOShutout55 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

usually 8xxx and 9xxx are maintenance related or positioning/charter flights.


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