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Air Canada 777's Now Loaded In Skeds  
User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23402 times:

Hey all,

This afternoon Air Canada started loading the 777s into the availability displays. I didn't have a lot of time to check all the routes, but there are no surprises in what I did see. The -300's (code is 77W) are on YYZ-LHR, YVR-LHR, YYZ-NRT, YVR-NRT. The -200's (code is 77L) was on YYZ-HKG. I'm sure there are more, but that was what I immediately noticed. They start showing up around April (for the 77W) and more are added during the summer peak (eg: HKG) as more planes arrive.

I didn't notice any new routes or flights, but unless they get rid of the 340's at the same time they receive the 777's they will have a few extra aircraft to play with.

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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7945 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23335 times:

Toronto - Tokyo is a long flight, I'd love to do it on a brand new 777, two amazing cities for sure.


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User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23293 times:

Thats pretty awesome its about time. We are still waiting for approval from Australia along with Canadian Government for the SYD-LAX routing. If thats the case it will be 77W. Can't wait to see what else the route will have.

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23255 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Toronto - Tokyo is a long flight, I'd love to do it on a brand new 777, two amazing cities for sure

I do too. But considering they operated this route with a B767-300ER sometimes in the winter, I doubt it will immediately be replaced. But seeing the A340's currently on this route is also exciting!!!



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23243 times:

Thanks for the info!

Anything on domestic flights ?

The777Man



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23199 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 4):



Quoting The777Man (Reply 4):
Anything on domestic flights

I believe the first flights will be short hauls (YYZ-YUL) and then YYZ-YVR as the pilots/crew get used to the aircraft. The YYZ-YVR flight will likely use at least one 777 a day as part of the rotation. An morning arrival from Asia might become an late morning YVR-YYZ flight, and then continue to Europe. Conversely, an afternoon arrival from Europe into YYZ will turn to a mid-day YVR flight, and then an evening flight to Europe. I'd have to check the skeds to see what will actually be done.


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23192 times:

I've notice the AC FLT# 858 dep 22:50 on Wed May 16 shows B777-300ER, do you think AC will have lots of passengers on last flight out of Toronto to London LHR?

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Toronto - Tokyo is a long flight, I'd love to do it on a brand new 777, two amazing cities for sure

Yes they have it on the NRT-YYZ AC FLT# 002. showing only return portion on 77W. AC FLT# 001 is 343 for YYZ-NRT portion.

YYZ-FRA AC FLT# 872 77W
FRA-YYZ AC FLT# 873 77W

Sine YYZ-HKG will be done by 77L whats going to happen to A340-500? Are they be going out of service or keep them for awhile since they are still new although they tend to break down on mechanics?..


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2311 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23067 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 6):
Sine YYZ-HKG will be done by 77L whats going to happen to A340-500? Are they be going out of service or keep them for awhile since they are still new although they tend to break down on mechanics?..

YYZ-DEL?


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23063 times:

why on earth have AC not put a 777 on the Syd-Yvr route?


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User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23060 times:

just curious but if they replace the yyz-hkg flight with the 772, is that a downgrade in terms of number of seats? or is it just about equal? I would have imagined they would have used the 773 as the replacement of the 345, but oh well its a 777 replacing a 345, any way you look at it.

User currently onlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2913 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23020 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Toronto - Tokyo is a long flight

NH flies its 773ER to JFK & IAD from NRT which is longer than NRT-YYZ.
If traffic builds, YYZ-HKG could become 773ER too.


User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23010 times:

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 9):
just curious but if they replace the yyz-hkg flight with the 772, is that a downgrade in terms of number of seats? or is it just about equal? I would have imagined they would have used the 773 as the replacement of the 345, but oh well its a 777 replacing a 345, any way you look at it.

I don't think its a downgrade since the seats on B777 will be about the same or few more seats even though A340-500 is a bit longer than B777-200LR.


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1965 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23008 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 8):
why on earth have AC not put a 777 on the Syd-Yvr route?

Quite frankly because AC does not like YVR even though most of the SYD traffic is for the ski areas in the winter they would rather have them go through YYZ, so this new YYZ-LAX-SYD flight i would assume would be on a 773 and the YVR-SYD will probably be a 772LR at first and then down grade to a 787 when they arrive, thats life out side the center of the universe.

Cheers Chris



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4616 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22921 times:

Quoting Aircanada014 (Reply 2):
We are still waiting for approval from Australia along with Canadian Government for the SYD-LAX routing.

As of about 3-weeks ago no date had been set for negotiations to commence. Apparently the Australians are in no hurry to start talking about it and are dragging their feet.


User currently offline747433 From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22925 times:

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 12):
Quite frankly because AC does not like YVR

Not true. AC has a bigger operation out of YVR (2nd only to YYZ) than its home base YUL. Daily flights to LHR, NRT, KIX, ICN, PEK, PVG, HKG, HNL-SYD.

[Edited 2006-11-29 03:00:54]

User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22755 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
YYZ-DEL?

Yes i would like to know if YYZ-DEL will become non-stop again and what A/C will be used on this route??



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User currently offlineCNZ3 From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22507 times:

Anybody know if the routings will be fully uploaded by Friday? I want to know if they'll be in the new downloadable timetables.

3.5 more months....  hyper  I am going to try and be on that first YYZ-YUL (or the return, whatever gets the first trip) proving run.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22443 times:

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 9):
just curious but if they replace the yyz-hkg flight with the 772, is that a downgrade in terms of number of seats? or is it just about equal? I would have imagined they would have used the 773 as the replacement of the 345, but oh well its a 777 replacing a 345, any way you look at it.

The 772LR is roughly equal, and depending on configuration, can even fit more seats, than A345, so no real loss there.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 15):
Yes i would like to know if YYZ-DEL will become non-stop again and what A/C will be used on this route??

They could use A345 on it for a while, though eventually my guess is it would become a 772LR permanently.



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 22291 times:

spent 20 minutes looking for all the routes. Only Summer 2007 has been updated.....

Assuming the 777 will first arrive to replace the existing 340s, and the 787 will begin the expansion beyonds 767/330 replacement.


777-300ER
AC856 YYZ-LHR 02APR-04JUN X7
AC869 LHR-YYZ 03APR-05JUN X1

AC858 YYZ-LHR 02MAY-31MAY X2
AC858 YYZ-LHR 01JUN-29JUN D
AC857 LHR-YYZ 03MAY-31MAY X3
AC857 LHR-YYZ 01JUN-30JUN D

AC848 YYZ-LHR 31JUL-02SEP X7
AC848 YYZ-LHR 03SEP-30SEP X3
AC856 YYZ-LHR 01OCT- X7
AC857 LHR-YYZ 01AUG-02SEP X1
AC857 LHR-YYZ 04SEP-27SEP X4
AC857 LHR-YYZ 28SEP- X1

AC872 YYZ-FRA 31MAY-27JUN X123
AC872 YYZ-FRA 28JUN- D
AC873 FRA-YYZ 01JUN-28JUN X234
AC873 FRA-YYZ 29JUN- D

AC001 YYZ-NRT 01JUN- D
AC002 NRT-YYZ 02JUN- D

AC003 YVR-NRT 30JUN- D
AC004 NRT-YVR 01JUL- D



Configuration
Executive First:
Row1-11 (A-D-G-K) no 7A/7K

Economy:
Row18-22, 23-25, 30-43, 50-63 (3-3-3/ ABC-DEG-HJK)

weird that they skipped 26-29 and 44-49...

777-200LR

AC858 YYZ-LHR 30JUN-30JUL X7
AC857 LHR-YYZ 01JUL-31JUL X1

AC015 YYZ-HKG 01AUG- D
AC016 HKG-YYZ 02AUG- D

Configuration
Not loaded


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2127 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22236 times:

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 12):
Quite frankly because AC does not like YVR

Stick the bottom lip back in - AC operates on market principles, not hometown favouritism. Besides, AC is not a sentient being with likes or dislikes.

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 12):
thats life out side the center of the universe.

If Vancouver were anywhere close to the size of Toronto, then we'd see proportionately greater service. As it stands, we're doing OK out west.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2311 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22170 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 18):
777-300ER
AC856 YYZ-LHR 02APR-04JUN X7
AC869 LHR-YYZ 03APR-05JUN X1

AC858 YYZ-LHR 02MAY-31MAY X2
AC858 YYZ-LHR 01JUN-29JUN D
AC857 LHR-YYZ 03MAY-31MAY X3
AC857 LHR-YYZ 01JUN-30JUN D

AC848 YYZ-LHR 31JUL-02SEP X7
AC848 YYZ-LHR 03SEP-30SEP X3
AC856 YYZ-LHR 01OCT- X7
AC857 LHR-YYZ 01AUG-02SEP X1
AC857 LHR-YYZ 04SEP-27SEP X4
AC857 LHR-YYZ 28SEP- X1

AC872 YYZ-FRA 31MAY-27JUN X123
AC872 YYZ-FRA 28JUN- D
AC873 FRA-YYZ 01JUN-28JUN X234
AC873 FRA-YYZ 29JUN- D

AC001 YYZ-NRT 01JUN- D
AC002 NRT-YYZ 02JUN- D

AC003 YVR-NRT 30JUN- D
AC004 NRT-YVR 01JUL- D



Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 18):
AC858 YYZ-LHR 30JUN-30JUL X7
AC857 LHR-YYZ 01JUL-31JUL X1

Sorry, but I am a little confused by that. So, just to get it straight, AC will ultimately have 2x daily YYZ-LHR on the 777-300ER? It also seems that for a brief period, one of the 777-300ER flights becomes a 777-200LR flight. Am I right?


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22114 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 20):
Sorry, but I am a little confused by that. So, just to get it straight, AC will ultimately have 2x daily YYZ-LHR on the 777-300ER? It also seems that for a brief period, one of the 777-300ER flights becomes a 777-200LR flight. Am I right?

2 daily 77W LHR-YYZ in May only

77W will dissapear from LHR-YYZ in July, replaced by 77L (shorter run training for preparing YYZ-HKG), then back to 6x weekly/daily 77W


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 22013 times:

Hope we can see AC back in NGO soon. Maybe with some 767s or 787s.


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User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21671 times:

Since there has been some updates since I posted this afternoon. Do you think that AC should use the 777LR on a non-stop YYZ-DEL and place the 773ER on the YYZ-HKG route? If CO can run the 200ER EWR-HKG, I am pretty sure the 300ER can make it without too much difficulties? Or does AC like to have the DEL flight go thru Europe (I think its still ZRH)?

User currently offlineCgagn From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 20426 times:

I'm booked on AC856 on May 04/07. You've got me really excited! Once the seat maps are loaded, will I be able to change seats from the 333 to 77W?

C-GAGN



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25 JAL : Wow!! I didn't know the 767-300ER could do Toronto-Tokyo!
26 Jfk777 : I think Air Canada is making a great leap in passenger comfort with launching all these 777 flights on its flagship routes to Tokyo, London and Hong K
27 Jimyvr : Not sure, not all flights' loaded with 77L/77W has the seat map updated to 777. It flies in the winter season
28 Post contains images LHStarAlliance : Great to see it also in FRA
29 ChrisA330 : It used to fly in the winter season. Now YYZ-NRT is an A340 year round.
30 Mk777 : Yes AC to DEL is via ZRH but i think they might change that once the new a/c's are inducted to the fleet-the 772LR and the 773ER. AC has not announce
31 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Great, i'm more looking forward to trying out the new 777s now Thanks for the info Lee
32 Bh4007 : I'm scheduled to fly LHR-YVR with AC on April 4th. It's stated as being an A330 but I'd much rather have a 777 - any chance it'll be changed as it is
33 Lawgman : Mildly surprised that there is no YUL-CDG route on a 777. Cosidering this route is rumoured to be served by Air France with a 380 once they come on bo
34 Sebring : In good time, in good time. AC has 777s coming in 2007, 2008 and 2009.
35 Gmonney : I would expect to see some sort of direct flight to DEL. Look at how well AI is doing and PIA has the LR on their route as well. I have heard that EK
36 EnviroTO : Good grief. Air Canada's operations at YVR are quite significant. The population of the Toronto area is around 5,202,000 as of 2004 versus 2,173,000
37 Getdonnie : Thanks for the info on AC 777s. Would anyone at YYZ be able to advise on how we could solicit the 777s to fly to BDA for crew over water training?(AC
38 LongHauler : The overwater training, ie. ETOPS, is done in the classroom, the simulator, and on route specific routes ... so it is unlikely that the B777 will gra
39 ZBBYLW : The reason why i am upset with the lack of YVR flights is that when CP was around (and dont get me wrong i always have prefered AC) we had service to
40 Stirling : This might have been discussed somewhere else, but, have any indications been made as to what Air Canada will be doing with the A340 and A330 fleets o
41 Yyz717 : At least 3 343's will leave the fleet in 2007 (destined for LAN, Swiss).
42 Brucek : I'm not too sure on Air Canada ops. I thought that their corporate base was YUL, but see none of the new B777 flights out of that airport at all in th
43 Jimyvr : YUL gets only 763 and 333 internationally. The 77L/77W service is first to replace 343 to that's why YUL didn't get anything yet.
44 AirbusfanYYZ : Although YUL is the location of the corporate HQ, AC essentially has two main hubs YYZ and YVR. IIRC YUL despite being the second biggest city in pop
45 Jamincan : Has YYC actually surpassed YUL in passenger traffic? Last I checked it was still a bit behind it.
46 Threepoint : Are babies really high-yield passengers though...enough to warrant increased AC service? Au contraire mon frere... AC will very happily serve any des
47 FLYYUL : During the winter season, Montreal has more departures and total seat capacity than YVR. The difference is the summer, YYZ-YVR explodes with capacity
48 BeechNut : I bet Montreal will be a major hub of 787 ops when those arrive though, as they're more of a direct replacement for the 767-300ER and A330-300 dependi
49 Brucek : Thanks for the info on YUL. Bruce.
50 NYC777 : When does AC receive it's first 777?
51 Sebring : When CP was around it was losing money. It tried Manila and Taipei, but didn't make money. The Taipei route is low yield and AC and EVA code share. A
52 Getdonnie : Thanks for the feedback Longhauler. I clearly understand re. the pilots but I was under the impression these sectors are run to acclimate and monitor
53 Yyz717 : Incorrect. CP had nonstops from YYZ to AMS, Rome, LIS, ATH through much of the 70's and 80's. AMS was never used as a deliberate "mini-hub" by CP alt
54 Mk777 : Who will buy the A345 from AC?? Oh wait, are they even selling it yet? or are going to use them for non-stop YYZ-DEL till they get more 772LR and 77W!
55 Sebring : i just doubled checked that with the CP executive who designed that mini-hub and he says you're incorrect.
56 LongHauler : Up to 50 miles from a suitable emergency landing site/airport, no overwater equipment is required. From 50 miles to 400 miles, only life jackets are
57 LongHauler : You are correct Sebring. The flights flew YVR-YEG/YYC-AMS, while another flew YYZ-YUL/YHZ-AMS. Arriving at the same time, they continued onto FCO, AT
58 Sebring : My buddy reminded me that the Amsterdam mini-hub was profitable, but was dismantled when CP struck its alliance with LH and shifted its European focu
59 Post contains images AirCanada014 : Sometime in mid or early March 2007 I can't wait to see the first B777-300ER..
60 Yyz717 : He's incorrect. CP flew nonstops to LIS, ATH and FCO for years from YYZ. Some may have routed briefly thru AMS, but AMS was primarily just an O+D mar
61 Yyz717 : CP reduced its reliance on AMS when it bought WD. WD had the more lucrative rights to LGW; CP shifted its EU flights from AMS to LGW during 1989 soon
62 DavidYYC : I wonder when and which route we will see the 777 operate from YYC? My guess it will be to FRA as that appears to be always so busy!
63 AirCanada014 : Who knows you might see B777-200LR doing YYC-LHR and or YYC-FRA
64 Multimark : And anyone who has been through a Montreal winter knows why. That said AC HQ is in YUL for one reason only, the Government of Canada forces it to be
65 Jimyvr : 787 will do the work nicely.
66 Jacobin777 : Isn't AC going to start YYZ-DXB (with a potential Pakistan addon) with some of their 777's, or are they going to wait for the 787's to come on board?
67 YYZACGUY : So i did not see it anywhere wat I am posting it was a long day at YYZ. After reading this post i went to fool around on Res3 JUNE 1 2007 Flight AC001
68 Sebring : Too bad you don't have the integrity to say, "I was wrong." You can persist in little your fiction, but the guy I know had ultimate control over netw
69 AirCanada014 : I was checking next year flight from Nov 15 the latest but Im hoping they put B777-300ER or 200LR to GRU from YYZ. I wonder if AC will open up South A
70 Yyz717 : Well, your little contact is wrong, if he even exists. You seem to have high-level contacts at something like 31 airlines. Check the schedules for CP
71 Yyz717 : Correction: there were NO 1-stops thru AMS.
72 Mk777 : Just thought I'd ask again since no one responded: Who will buy the A345 from AC?? Oh wait, are they even selling it yet? If they are, will kingfisher
73 Jamincan : ^ Apparently AC will be holding onto the A345s for awhile still. I dunno if they'll use them for service to DEL, but I do expect that once they have e
74 Skywatcher : I have a CP 1975 summer schedule. From YYZ there were 13 weekly flights to Europe. They were; 1 x YYZ-AMS-ATH 1 x YYZ-AMS-FCO 1 x YYZ-Milan-ATH 2 x YY
75 AC345 : Im thinking about booking an YYZ-LHR trip next year and it looks like I could fly out in 77W and back in 77L. I know things can change at the last min
76 Accargo : There is no way to answer that question 6 to 7 months before departure. There are too many variables, not least of which is that the 777's don't arri
77 AC345 : Thank you, Accargo, I thought so too. AC345
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