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Is Etihad Flying To Australia  
User currently offlineEmirates777300 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Hi I just like to know is Etihad going to fly to Australia. If yes were and when?

Thanks

Emirates777300

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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Not yet. Their main trade is UK pax to BKK and Bali (I flew them LGW-AUH-LGW a month or two ago, lovely new 777-300 with every bell and whistle imaginable). In fact Etihad applied for Australia and were turned down, it was established by the Aussie CAA that they would actually bring no new business, and only cannibalise Qantas, BA, VS and the old guard of airlines offering connections eg Singapore, Emirates, Malaysia, Thai et al. I must admit, while Emirates gouge QF and keep any other European airline off the Kangaroo Route, they have legitimately created some trade for Australia - Dubai, which wasn't an active city pair ever, before EK came along. Now it's a decent market in it's own right. So Emirates, for all the criticism they've had from some quarters, have constructively opened up a new trade region for Australia; whereas Etihad, based in barren Abu Dhabi, are merely trying to muscle in on something of others' creation and not bring new business, just lower yields. That was the thinking behind their denial of Aussie route authority. I'm sure Etihad will get there sooner or later though, they're really going for it. Their 777-300s have to be seen to be believed, especially cos there's usually only about 60 people onboard. Yum.


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User currently offlineEmirates777300 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Thanks for your reply.

Yeah the new 777s look quite good


User currently offlineCoolSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Etihad is adding KUL as its new Asian destination Jan-15 2007, perhaps in future it might use it as stopover point to Aussie...

User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 3):
Etihad is adding KUL as its new Asian destination Jan-15 2007, perhaps in future it might use it as stopover point to Aussie...

They have to win the Australian Government over first. Gulf region carriers are having a hard time getting more access to Australia. EK wants to double it's capacity over the next 5 years. QR wants daily flights. If they all asked for access to other cities which aren't SYD or MEL they might have more luck. On the flip side, the demand out of other cities is alot less then Sydney or Melbourne.


User currently offlineCoolSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 4):
They have to win the Australian Government over first. Gulf region carriers are having a hard time getting more access to Australia. EK wants to double it's capacity over the next 5 years. QR wants daily flights. If they all asked for access to other cities which aren't SYD or MEL they might have more luck. On the flip side, the demand out of other cities is alot less then Sydney or Melbourne.

So, the possibility is close to nil for now....


User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

I get a weekly newsletter from a reputable Australian Travel Agency. I notice that they have started selling QR fares. These are obviously not all flown on QR but on their codeshare partners TG (and possibly SQ) from memory, as far as Doha and the QR onwards. The fare details explained this with a note saying that QR expect to be flying here in 2007.
QR has not mentioned Australia as one of its new destinations for 2007 in its recent press launch and as said above, the CAA are in no hurry to let them in.

When I first heard of QR applying for Australian routes, maybe 2 years ago, they were only applying for Melbourne and not Sydney. BA has recently stopped flying to Melbourne and OS will join the list too soon. That leaves no European airlines flying into Melbourne and as far as I am aware, no increased capacity to make up for the loss of the 2 airlines. It seems that Melbourne customers could do with some increased competition.

With Melbourne also having the largest expat Italian community outside of Italy, not to mention the Lebanese, Greek, Maltese and Turkish expat communities, the CAA tend to forget that not everyone departing Australia wants to fly to London!

Emirates might have dirt cheap fares to London but try finding a cheap ticket to one of the above destinations. I think it is a shame that QR and EY can not get frequencies to at least Melbourne, both for extra capacity on the European routes and for competition against EK on the Mediterranean/Middle Eastern routes.  Sad


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2976 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 6):

I agree with you! In my eyes a big market is closed for others by the CAA.
And what about PER and BNE (and also DWN)? What kind of traffic and the demand are here located?


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 6):
QR has not mentioned Australia as one of its new destinations for 2007 in its recent press launch and as said above, the CAA are in no hurry to let them in.

QR has been granted access. From memory they have 3 flights per week, however they want daily flights.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Their 777-300s have to be seen to be believed, especially cos there's usually only about 60 people onboard. Yum.

Their 77Ws are lovely but the A345s are even nicer. Absolutely mind-blowing.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineVH-KCT* From Australia, joined May 2001, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

Actually, CASA has nothing to do with allowing access to international carriers. That's done by the International Air Services Commission.

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User currently offlineAirLittoral From France, joined Sep 2006, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 6):
Emirates might have dirt cheap fares to London but try finding a cheap ticket to one of the above destinations. I think it is a shame that QR and EY can not get frequencies to at least Melbourne, both for extra capacity on the European routes and for competition against EK on the Mediterranean/Middle Eastern routes.

Doing a quick research, I find about the same prices for MEL-LHR than for MEL-IST, MEL-MXP, MEL-ATH, etc...about 1,400 EUR/1,800 USD. On EK, no significant difference whatever European airport you take within their network..


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

Quoting VH-KCT* (Reply 10):
Actually, CASA has nothing to do with allowing access to international carriers. That's done by the International Air Services Commission.

Not quite.

The IASC allocates capacity to Australian carriers only, but only after capacity has been negotiated by the Department of Transport and Regional Services (DOTARS).


User currently offlineVH-KCT* From Australia, joined May 2001, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 12):

Argh got me  Smile Stupid DOTARS and their numerous departments.



I am The Stig
User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting AirLittoral (Reply 11):
Doing a quick research, I find about the same prices for MEL-LHR than for MEL-IST, MEL-MXP, MEL-ATH, etc...about 1,400 EUR/1,800 USD. On EK, no significant difference whatever European airport you take within their network..

That's the problem. Why should people flying on EK to Athens/Istanbul/Amman/Beirut have to pay the same price as those flying on to London? They are significantly closer to Dubai than London.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5668 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 14):
That's the problem. Why should people flying on EK to Athens/Istanbul/Amman/Beirut have to pay the same price as those flying on to London? They are significantly closer to Dubai than London.

What does distance have to do with price? It is only a small, possiabley very small part of the whole story.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 12):
The IASC allocates capacity to Australian carriers only, but only after capacity has been negotiated by the Department of Transport and Regional Services (DOTARS).

IASC is a DOTARS branch.


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