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New Carrier For ABE  
User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Quote:
New airline coming to LVIA
Lehigh Valley International Airport plans to announce a new airline that will service the hub at a news conference scheduled for 1 this afternoon. Officials would not identify the airline Tuesday, except to say that it will provide local travelers nonstop service from LVIA. George Doughty, executive director of the Lehigh-Northampton Airport Authority that runs LVIA, deferred further comment until the news conference.

From the local paper's online teasers. Any thoughts on who or what it might be? This being something like the sixth airline to start service at ABE in as many years, it's hardly big news, but interesting nonetheless.


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Could it be B6? Or maybe American Eagle returning?

[Edited 2006-11-29 17:20:08]


Primary Airport: FWA/Alternate Airport: DTW/Not employed by the FWACAA or their partners
User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

Quoting HangarRat (Thread starter):
This being something like the sixth airline to start service at ABE in as many years

Out of all those airlines how many are still in business? I think G4 is the only one around.

I don't have any guesses... I guess we will have to wait until 1:00pm for the big announcement.


User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

Well, I didn't want to be the one to post it, but I saw murmurs here about WN at ABE, but it doesn't make sense so close to PHL.

Perhaps we should turn it into a contest. Correct guess gets an all expense paid trip to the beautiful Lehigh Valley.

[Edited 2006-11-29 17:28:45]


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User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting HangarRat (Reply 3):
WN at ABE

If that is true it would be BIG news for ABE and another blow to MDT.

I just checked the airports website (www.lvia.org) and there is nothing listed...yet.


User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

You'll find the news here: www.pennlive.com/lv or here: www.mcall.com


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User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

I almost smell Pan Am Clipper Connection on this one......but probably not.


-Rich


User currently offlineRuuxxv From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

Looks to be Allegiant:

http://www.allegiantair.com/aaRouteMap.php
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaFlightScheduleOrlando.php
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaFlightSchedulePIE.php


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

the news article says that it will be a new AIRLINE, not a new route. Allegiant already serves ABE from SFB. I'm not surprised that will add PIE, so this is either mis-information from the news folks (can't imagine that would happen - NOT) or a different development.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

i heard rumors there's a new charter type airline thats gonna new some MYR flights, probably would only be 2-4x weekly if thats the one, but ive heard a few other simmilar airports hinted too.


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

RL757PVD got it. Southern Skyways operated by Pace....

http://www.southernskyways.com/


User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

Quoting Ruuxxv (Reply 7):
Looks to be Allegiant:

G4 already announced the new service to PIE in the fall so it won't be them.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9):
new charter type airline

That's what we need...another new charter type airline. So many have served ABE. Like I said earlier, G4 is the only one still around and it appears they will be for a long time.

One hour to go...


User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 10):
RL757PVD got it. Southern Skyways operated by Pace....

Interesting... Didn't Pace operate another company...Interstate Air or something like that? I remember them operating 757's to LAS from ABE.

Any bets on how long this company stays in business?


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 12):
Didn't Pace operate another company

Pace operated the Hooter's Air flights and Vacation Express at one time also.


User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Here's a story:

http://www.mcall.com/business/local/...ll-airline1129-cn,0,7871317.story?

I've always wondered why Pace doesn't just operate as Pace.



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User currently offlineRuuxxv From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

Doh. My bad.
Wasn't paying attention to G4's bazillion new city announcements.

Southern Skyways?
Don't like knocking anybody's startup idea...but...
They should really move the MYR dot on their map to the coast.


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Check out the route map for that airline. Myrtle Beach ain't close to the ocean at all!


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

Quoting Ruuxxv (Reply 15):
They should really move the MYR dot on their map to the coast.

OMG, I said the same thing to myself when I looked on thier site...


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4663 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Yep this is the exact airline i was thinking because CRW was the other simmilar city!


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3845 times:
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Quoting BatonOps (Reply 12):
Interesting... Didn't Pace operate another company...Interstate Air or something like that? I remember them operating 757's to LAS from ABE.

I believe it was called Interstate Jet. Lasted, what, about a week?



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User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 19):
I believe it was called Interstate Jet. Lasted, what, about a week?

Yeah...something like that. I think they also flew to SWF and SFB from ABE.

Quoting HangarRat (Reply 14):
I've always wondered why Pace doesn't just operate as Pace.

Good question. Does anybody know why they can't just fly under the Pace name?


User currently offlineMainland From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 12):
Interesting... Didn't Pace operate another company...Interstate Air or something like that? I remember them operating 757's to LAS from ABE.

Interstate Jet is what you're thinking. They used Pace planes but were owned by a different company. They had the 757s ABE-LAS and SWF-LAX, but didn't stick for long though. Interstate also ran BWI-SWF (and some other routes from SWF aside from the west coast, I think) for all of about 2 months around 2002/2003.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3802 times:
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Quoting BatonOps (Reply 20):
Does anybody know why they can't just fly under the Pace name?

I would guess because the folks running 'Southern Skyways' and the people running Pace are different. Just like the Western/Xtra scenario. Pace is just supplying a/c etc, while SS is taking the (big) risk in this endeavor.
Personally, I do not give it much of a chance to succeed.



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User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3776 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 22):
Personally, I do not give it much of a chance to succeed.

I'll have to agree with you on that one. I don't see that much traffic going from ABE to MYR.

I find it interesting that all these different airlines operated by Pace have gone out of ABE. What's the big attraction other than the Philly and New Jersey areas???


User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3752 times:

I just checked the airport web site and they don't have any news on their new carrier. You would think that would have been updated after the big announcement.

25 HangarRat : You have the third and sixth largest cities in the state of Pennsylvania right next to each other and more than 600,000 people in the two counties LV
26 Nkops : Isn't ABE a magnet for these airlines?? Well, eventually one will work out I hope
27 Aa757first : There was Southeast flying DC-9s and MD-80s down to Florida and later Las Vegas. They went bankrupt. Interstate (by Pace) was flying to LAS and LAX.
28 BatonOps : Was the billed owed by Southeast close to a $1 million? I might be wrong but I thought it was a pretty good amount.
29 Post contains links Aa757first : I didn't think it was that much, but yes, it was $1 million. And Hooters owes $1 million, as well. And I forgot to add that TransMeridian also served
30 HangarRat : This is the list from the time I used to live in the Lehigh Valley to present: Pan Am (to Manchester?) InterstateJet (to points south) Southeast Air L
31 Srbmod : That's the folks behind Myrtle Beach Direct Air & Tours, another "airline" that's using a charter operate to run flights for them.
32 BatonOps : I believe you are correct...they are the same company. Piedmont Hawthorne use to have an FBO at MDT but that closed several years ago.
33 Srbmod : Pace was sold by Piedmont Hawthorne several years back to Robert Brooks, who used them to operate Hooters Air (Brooks' original plan was to take over
34 Stirling : I wonder why there is a picture of an A320 in Airbus house colors on the homepage, and then a pic of a 737 in Southern Skyways colors in the upper rig
35 Post contains images BatonOps : Good question. You have to wonder who put there web site together. They finally fixed their route map and put the cities in the right locations. They
36 Redngold : I think I know the answer to this, but after seeing so many carriers go into ABE and then flame out, I have to ask... Are the operating costs at ABE c
37 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : http://www.southernskyways.com/ One oddity of their web page is that they show a 737 in Skyways livery at the top-right of the pace and show the under
38 Aa757first : Sometimes they just make them up. Southeast didn't have an IATA number, so I think they just used their ICAO designator. But, yes, also note that pic
39 BatonOps : I give the 'airline' six to nine months before they shut down. I have a feeling it will be like all the others. Anyone else agree?
40 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : First thing I saw. Although I thought it was an 318 . Help us. haha. Best of luck to them Dave
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