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Emirates Variations In Cabin Interior  
User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 4453 times:

How come that Emirates doesn't have the same or similar seats in all it's aircraft. I know the A343 and A332's do however the configuration is pretty old and not very confi 2-3-2 in C class for instance. Any plans for refurbishment?

Even with it's new aircraft why couldn't they put in the same First and Business Class in the 773ER's as in the A345.

Are there any plans for having fleet wide the same seats in all it's cabins?

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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 4394 times:

I have often wondered this. They fly the A310, A332, A343, A345, B772ER, B773, and B773ER. All of these except the A310, as far as I know, have both a two and three class configuration. It seems like this would be very difficult to coordinate and would complicate dispatch. This is something I have wondered about for quite some time.


Sic 'em bears
User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months ago) and read 4361 times:

It is hopeless i must say.Their J class on all the planes,except for the A345 and some intercontinental B773,is hopeless.I refuse to ever fly EK to Europe via DXB in J when i have the option of QR and EY(they tend to be cheaper as well).I am EK's biggesr admirer as a business but i think its the most over rated airline in the world.

User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months ago) and read 4323 times:

EK are extremely over-rated IMO. Their onboard product in premium classes is inconsistent to the point of madness and there seems to be no limit to which planes they order, having an incredible amount of types and configurations. Surely an airline competing in the Middle East should have a stronger more fluid Business and First brand.

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months ago) and read 4310 times:

Emirates is really completely overated. If they would really be such a premium airline they must offer a premium product fleet wide. SQ does so as well, with maybe some exceptions of a few 772, nevertheless the Business Class is still by far better ton those planes than the one on EK's 772, 773, A343, A332. Basically more than 3/4 of the fleet.

User currently offlineFlyEmirates From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

Yes - take your pick of 5 different uncompetitive J class seats (apart from new 'new' A6-EBQ onwards with lie flat J). These aircraft also have new Y class seats, so thats 3 or 4 ecomomy seat designs.

A343 have had new economy seats installed with nice big screens (ex SQ seats) however the ICE system was not installed, during the downtime when various other modifications were made the old EK J and F seats remained. The inconsistency embarrasses me.

QR and EY 77W/A346 have double size disabled toilets, I think this is essential - EK prefers to have more seats.

I flew a QR A320 recently and 3 years after it was delivered they were ripping out the Y class seats to standardise with the plastic backed Recaros that they have in the A330 - wish EK could do the same. Unfortunately from a passenger point of view once in the air QR and EY are doing it better and cheaper for J class pax, however looking at how strong bookings are at EK they dont need to worry.


User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

It is strongly evident at EK that the inflight experience strongly depends on the type of aircraft you will be flying. You can fly to LHR for the same price, but depending on which aircraft you get, you won't get the same seat or comfort (or even service) standard.

They first introduced the A345 as their ultimate luxury plane, and launched their JFK service as 'THE' ultimate travel experience. Now that 77W's are involved in that same route, they supposedly have flat J seats, while the 'luxurious' A345 doesnt. Furthermore, for example, premium passengers who have gotten accustomed to the F suite on the A345 as the 'standard' at EK will most likely be let down when they experience the other F product on the 77W's (and they are not private suites).

These were just some examples, but can show how this could be applied to practically every EK flight. After all, how unpleasant would it be having to sit in the 'MIDDLE' business seat on an A330 after sitting in C on an A345 a few hours ago?

Roni



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User currently offlineZKNEA From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

Inconsistency between international fleets are not limited to EK. Off the top of my head I can think of NZ (744 vs 763, 322 etc), QF, and SQ soon with their new 773s (I think thats the model anyway). I regularly fly EK and haven't really found this to be a problem, you just pick your flights/aircraft. Same as if I am travelling with any other airline which has variations within its fleet. IMHO this, and EKs supposed torturous 3-4-3 T7 economy seating, is blown out of all proportions on this forum.

User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

Quoting ZKNEA (Reply 7):
I regularly fly EK and haven't really found this to be a problem, you just pick your flights/aircraft. Same as if I am travelling with any other airline which has variations within its fleet

Well you and I can do that and rest of us who can go to emirates.com and tell the difference between "332" or "773" or "345" in the equipment column.I would like to think that for 99% of people who travel EK or any other airline have no clue what any of that means....so what are they supposed to do?

I completely see your point and i do that myself,but that knowledge is limited to only about 1% of potential pax.But EK's J class situation is so bad that i dont think you can pick a route in the whole of Europe,apart from ZRH,which has a decent J class.So even if we did get down to selecting a route with a better product,what are we supposed to do then...only go to ZRH? Meanwhile you have QR and EY who are busy servicing more and more cities with lie-flat and flat-beds J classes that would comfortably put most of EK's F classes to shame.


User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Well up to certain extend i agree that EK configuration is bit complicated.
I can assure that there is no doubt about the A345, every body as i knew from this forum is fine with it.
The 77W first class which i took from LHR last week, is more than very good, you have a small beverages bar, the amazing ICE system, seat separator and the fully flat bed-seat.
As for other aircrafts which i really try to avoid as much as i could, should be changed but from my point of view, i think that EK dont want to spend money on their oldies (The A330s), because they are old and EK strategy is to keep a new and latest in market fleet.

But please do not discount EK, dont forget that they are pioneers in PTV which is fitted in the entire fleet, they were the first to introduce the dedicated ICE system with more than 600 channels, they were the first to introduce the suite in the A345.
I think it is not fair to say that they are over rated.


User currently offlineStu1978 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

But will they be eventually fitting the new J class seats to the rest of there fleet apart from the A345 .............or is this new product to be just for the 773ER's only.

Be nice if they to put across the whole fleet rather than having a mixed offering of J class product.

stu


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 9):
77W first class which i took from LHR last week, is more than very good, you have a small beverages bar, the amazing ICE system, seat separator and the fully flat bed-seat

Precisely.But unless you are on certain B777's or the select A345's,the F and J classes are a joke quite frankly for a vast majority of their network,compared to what is offered by airlines like QR and EY.True the A345 F suite is unparalled,true the A345 has life flats in J but they are a limited flights.Hence the vast inconsistency in product,majority of which is way below par.

Agree EK is a revolutionary in many ways and no one admires them as a business then me,but one thing you have to admit-its one completely over rated airline(save a few flights)


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31121 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3643 times:
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As I understand it, the A345s fly the "high yield" routes, correct? Like DXB-ZRH for all the bankers?

Part of it could be just how quickly EK adds planes to their fleets, constantly taking advantage of whatever is "hot" at the time they place their latest order.


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

Oh dear

I thought that I was the only one with this opinion of EK

I've just returned from flying JFK/DXB/BKK/SYD return all in J

I was going to do a trip report but can simply no longer bother.

Just enough the say that their 777W I found the most comfortable. New large screen AVOD. Seat= sloping lie flat

Forget about the A345! That was one of the most uncomfortable J seats that I have been in for a long time. Right up there with the VS' J2000 anyone remember those doozies?

Food consistently good on all legs. FAs were good on 5 of the 6 legs
Check in ok. Boarding a chaotic mess on 5 of 6 legs
Late departure on all 6 legs one leg was late up to 1.5 hours

Over rated? I would definitely say so!


User currently offlineStu1978 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

You mentioned that you got to try the 777W with the new J product.

On what sector was this SYD-BKK-DXB..

I recently flew this and on the same route but was not lucky enough to try the new biz product so i was stuck with the older J class product on the 777W.

I can only assume there is a big difference between the 2 product thats they offer on the 777W...

stu


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Stu1978

No- the 777W with the new seat was on the JFKDXB leg


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2992 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3285 times:

with the delivery of their new aircrafts EY contructs more and more a standartised fleet and configuration. In all of their newer aircrafts the 3 classes are the same - B777, A345, A332. Some of the newer A332 have a 3-class-configuration with a suberp first-class like in the A345.

User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 16):
with the delivery of their new aircrafts EY contructs more and more a standartised fleet and configuration. In all of their newer aircrafts the 3 classes are the same - B777, A345, A332. Some of the newer A332 have a 3-class-configuration with a suberp first-class like in the A345.

Very well said,thats exactly my point as well.What self respecting person would pay from their own pocket (extra probably) to fly on an outdated J class seat when they can fly EY's new business class flat bed which is frankly much better then even the First Class on much of Emirates's fleet.But despite that EK loads prove its brand recognition and its marketing success..its one WELL run business.


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

i found it quite fascinating that flights were full on all of my legs. But the only good part of the experience was on board. Employees from check in to boarding were some of the worse that I have ever had the "pleasure" of meeting.

And those employees at the transfer desk in Dubai - WOW!!!! so my question ..

Check in- bad customer service
boarding bad customer service
on board product - good customer service
price - no better than anyone else
why then are their flights always full?


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