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Is Jet Blue Coming To MKE?  
User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Hi folks I know how rumors spread and I am fully aware that until it is offically announced that these are just rumors. I got this excerpt from a NWA letter in MKE:I am just very shocked that Jet Blue applied for 2 gates in Mke. They already have a counter they are sharing with American Eagle. I guess it doesn't harm NW but Midwest should be abit worried. They are adding Burbank, Boston, JFK, Ft.Myers, and Orlando. Keep in mind these are just some routes that were mentioned in the NW news letter.
I obviously cannot divulge my "sources".
What does everyone think about the possibility of B6 starting in MKE.
Regards,
Mark in MKE


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User currently offlinePhxtravelboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Thread starter):
They already have a counter they are sharing with American Eagle.

Why would B6 have a counter in an airport they don't even serve? That makes NO sense whatsoever. I'll believe this one once it's confirmed.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

I'm putting my 2 cents in....yes. Come on in B6!! I think they could very well do a good job at stealing some of the leisure NYC market and orlando. I don't think they'll do well going west coast.

Quoting Legacytravel (Thread starter):
They already have a counter they are sharing with American Eagle.

Wait huh!?!?! Since when do they have part of the AE counter? Won't United Express get crowded out..hehe.


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

Why would they come to MKE when they just got slots at ORD?


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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

MKE-BUR just seems a bit odd to me. I'll believe it when I see it.


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User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

It sounds plausible.

I believe Jetblue's new philosophy will target routes being run by the 717 on both AirTran and Midwest. AirTran is already receiving a challenge after they announced Stewart, and I believe ROC and BUF are next in B6 sights. I think Jetblue feels the 190 with it's amenities and costs will be too difficult for these (2) carriers to deal with.


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6957 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 2):
Wait huh!?!?! Since when do they have part of the AE counter

LIke I said about the rumors they are like A-holes everyone has them. I do believe that B6 will be there sooner or later. I think they will serve JFK and MCO. I could also see a P2P of MKE to LAS since there is no competition for YX.
Regards,
MKE in MKE



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User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6865 times:

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 3):
Why would they come to MKE when they just got slots at ORD?

That's worse than saying "why would an airline serve JFK, LGA and EWR?"

Obviously ORD and MKE are two totally different markets and warrant separate service. Especially since jetBlue is a growth airline, it would not be surprising.



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User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 4):
MKE-BUR just seems a bit odd to me. I'll believe it when I see it.

I agree on that one.

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 6):
I think they will serve JFK and MCO.

I am thinking JFK to start off, then adding BOS. Both have connections to MCO. Direct service may be one of the "connect the dots" things later on once the city is established.

Either way you cut it, this is an interesting announcement...especially coming from NW. It is plausible at the same time though. Only time will tell!



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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

Doesn't sound to bad actually. I hope JetBlue does start MKE service!


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23073 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

What's the current gate situation up at MKE? I know D and E are all spoken for, but I don't know what is going on on C...


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User currently offlineFLIGHTDECK787 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6812 times:

DL is only getting 1 when the new part of C opens.

User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
What's the current gate situation up at MKE? I know D and E are all spoken for, but I don't know what is going on on C...

I believe that with the expansion in C that there will be room for B6. I have been patiently waiting for Blue to start up. Whether or not we get any P2P flying with a 320 or the 190 remains to be seen.
My ideas are as follows
MKE-MCO
MKE-JFK
MKE-BUR possible bot highly unlikely.
also maybe NWA was aware of B6 starting up before they dropped the LAS,MCO LAX flying from MKE
Regards,
Mark in MKE



I love the smell of Jet fuel in the Morning
User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6765 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Thread starter):
I am just very shocked that Jet Blue applied for 2 gates in Mke

Do you think these 2 would be the new ones that are coming in with the hammerhead, or some of the current ones? As for now it doesn't look like theres room for them until summer when the hammerhead is set to be finished.

Quoting FLIGHTDECK787 (Reply 11):
DL is only getting 1 when the new part of C opens.

If your saying DL is going to be cutdown to having one gate, I would seriously doubt that.



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User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6764 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 12):
I believe that with the expansion in C that there will be room for B6

C16-25 appear to be open per the terminal map. Time will tell.


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 13):
Do you think these 2 would be the new ones that are coming in with the hammerhead

My best guess is that they will be in the new hammerhead. That is the only spot that is available. And to get two gates they are going to have to have 5-10 flghts a day dont you think?
Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineJycarlisle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

Now that they have ORD, I highly doubt that will happen. If it does, then my hopes of GRR or another Michigan destination might rise once again.

Cheers,

Jeremy Carlisle


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6153 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

MKE-BUR Yeah right!!!!!!


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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6605 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 15):
And to get two gates they are going to have to have 5-10 flghts a day dont you think?

Yeah that would be my guess but then again doesnt FL have 2 gates at MKE and they only have like 5-6 flights?

[Edited 2006-11-30 15:05:44]


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User currently offlineCVG72 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Does anybody think that B6 will try and move into CVG, DAY, or CMH in the near future? I think it would be profitable for B6 to run RJs in and out of CVG's Concourse C, in the soon-to-be vacant OH building.

Just my two cents.

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User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 441 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6470 times:

Can B6 compete against Midwest ?? I don't think so. Jetblue may have found the only other airline in the USA that beats even the B6 club's view of B6's service. Having flown YX 15+ times in the last 2 years and EWR-MKE-MCI-SAT just 3 days ago I've gotta say they are just amazing.


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User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 20):
Can B6 compete against Midwest ?? I don't think so. Jetblue may have found the only other airline in the USA that beats even the B6 club's view of B6's service. Having flown YX 15+ times in the last 2 years and EWR-MKE-MCI-SAT just 3 days ago I've gotta say they are just amazing.

Jetblue is probably looking at bleeding Midwest out of business. They only have a little over $100M of which $45M or so is restricted.

Will MKE customers go for B6 service? Curiosity will find some at MKE trying B6, but it will be difficult to pry away those spoiled by the excellent service of the hometown airline. B6 is probably willing to fly with LF's in the 50 & 60's on the 190s. Yields will be meager, and they will probably lose some money in the first year of service. It will be a battle of attrition.

Jetblue just may walk away after a year if other opportunities open up due to consolidation. It should be an interesting battle.


User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Quoting CVG72 (Reply 19):
Does anybody think that B6 will try and move into CVG, DAY, or CMH in the near future?

JetBlue already flies CMH-BOS and CMH-JFK.

CVG-JFK/BOS already has a little airline called Delta flying it.

DAY-JFK, very possible someday.


User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 21):
Jetblue is probably looking at bleeding Midwest out of business. They only have a little over $100M of which $45M or so is restricted.

As big of a fan of the red-tail that I am, NW tried that when YX was in far worse shape financially, and couldn't.

YX stands alone.

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 21):
Will MKE customers go for B6 service? Curiosity will find some at MKE trying B6, but it will be difficult to pry away those spoiled by the excellent service of the hometown airline. B6 is probably willing to fly with LF's in the 50 & 60's on the 190s. Yields will be meager, and they will probably lose some money in the first year of service. It will be a battle of attrition.

You're right, MKE is laden with loyalists to YX (and NW for that matter), and it would be a costly battle of attrition, one that B6 would probably just assume ignore, given that they're finally getting into the midwest with ORD.

With CO and YX, I think the MKE-NYC market is appropriately served, and JFK as a stop for points farther south (FL namely) is just geographically insane. BUR? That's a stretch...I could see LGB being a better choice if the slots were there. YX failed with signature service to SNA; LAX has proven to be the only viable LA-area airport to be served from MKE.

As far as MCO...why open a station to serve a route with marginal, if any, yield potential?

Long and short, B6 would not be coming to MKE, especially to muscle out YX.



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User currently offlineN917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

I agree, B6 would not be able to "bleed" out YX. NW tried numerous times and failed each time. MKE is very loyal to YX. B6 is looking for profitable routes, why go ino a new city, where over 50% of the market share is held by one airline with very loyal customers? Would you want to go from a signature service aircraft to a 3x3 config, just because of the live TV? Most business travelers have work to do and need the extra space YX provides?

Sure, If B6 comes, there will be curious people who will try their service, however, I am confident that they will come back to YX.


25 NorthwestEWR : Yep I tried YX once and since then I've been flying them as much as possible. Fantastic service !
26 Lowecur : Don't discount B6 that much. The 190 with 2X2 leather seating and Direct TV is not NWA. It will offer a formidable challenge to YX, albeit a difficul
27 Knope2001 : The map on the MKE website shows the C hammerhead as done but it is still quite a few months away. When that is done I believe the temporary C gates
28 Lowecur : Great information, and all very fairly worded. Jetblue will certainly have their work cut out for them if this pans out. Jetblue needs a central hub
29 FLIGHTDECK787 : That is correct that DL will get only gate "per say" when the new C opens. They will have 1 jetway however there will be spots to park 2 mainline jets
30 Cubsrule : There's no way YX and a B6 hub could coexist, and I don't see B6 eliminating YX...
31 Mke717spotter : Well if thats true there's gonna have to be a pretty big cutback of DL at MKE. When I was there a week ago they had 5 aircraft stay overnight. They o
32 Post contains images Legacytravel : I heard that from a "NWA Insider" however much that means in this world. . This person has never gave me the wrong information on anything so I do tr
33 777FlyGuy : Nice to see the blue kool-aid drinkers are out in force again. It's been a quiet couple of weeks with little speculation. Keep it up guys!
34 Checkraiser : If they applied for gates wouldn't this be an open records item? If so a simple email or phone call to Gen. Mitchell could quickly give us the answer.
35 N353SK : I'm flying the route in January and it's scheduled on a CR9.
36 Flybyguy : The problem with YX is not the service... they are nationally renowned for their excellent service and fresh baked cookies... however they don't fly
37 MUWarriors : In terms of raw number of cities this is true. But if you look at the cities that YX flies to B6 really doesn't cover that many different major citie
38 JetBlueNYFL : That's what competition is about. That little airline called Delta used to have the greatest market share in many markets until jetBlue came along an
39 Cubsrule : The problem is that folks originating out of town are not as attuned to avoiding the ORDeal as are those of us from northern Illinois and Southern Wi
40 Sideflare75 : I say let them come. They will not bleed YX out of business as some have said. If NW, with their established business, couldn't do it I doubt that a n
41 Legacytravel : Here is a little more unofficial information on the subject. This will be a NWA Manager. I got a chance to chat with the Manager and he insisted that
42 Knope2001 : Indeed Jetblue has a significant base of very loyal supporters. However a market like MKE-NYC is tiltled sigifnicantly to Milwaukee-originating traff
43 777FlyGuy : Sounds like another one of those "I talked to someone who knows someone who works for someone who talked to someone....". Fact is no one REALLY knows
44 Mke717spotter : Is there any plans to expand the ticket counter area in MKE? As mentioned it is becoming a little crowded down there.
45 Post contains images Avion346 :
46 N917ME : Usually you have great insight and accurate information, however as a YX employee and working in a field station, I can tell you counter/gate agents
47 SkyexRamper : I believe you are referring to who was the FL ramper manager for MKE. Though he has moved on to hopefully much better things with World Airways. I've
48 Legacytravel : B6 could market that to New Yorkers as well as the train that runs from just outside of MKE to notherside of Chicago. I appreciate the nice complimen
49 Cubsrule : New Yorkers aren't going to bite on the Amtrak service. It's tough enough to get Chicagoans to use it. And if you want to look at how much demand the
50 Legacytravel : Chicagoans might not use the service that much. But if you drive through MKE'S parking structure you will see dozens and dozens of IL license plates
51 Cubsrule : Yeah, no question. But if I'm a New Yorker (which is who we are saying B6 caters to) who wants to get to Lake County, it's going to be tough for B6 t
52 RC135U : When I was a kid in MKE (long time ago) there was a store downtown just east of the river called "The Women's Exchange". My dad always said he wanted
53 Knope2001 : LOL...I suspect that store is long gone. If you're north of the freeway (794) that part of downtown is called East Town. If you're south of the freew
54 Legacytravel : This is true but you can drive from MKE to the Nothern Counties of IL faster than you can from ORD especially if the traffic is bad in near ORD. Rega
55 Legacytravel : Is this before the Marquette Interchange project or after. LOL god I missed my turn Sunday night they moved the ramp to I43 North to the right hand l
56 Cubsrule : I agree, and MKE is a million times easier to use, but it's tough to get that message across to people from out of town.
57 Legacytravel : Hence they need to have a really good marketing campaign. Mark
58 SkyexRamper : What we gotta get across to people that normally would use ORD is that if weather goes down the tubes, it'll be a 30mins delay here not 3hrs.
59 Cubsrule : So what would B6 try to do? Send all the low-yielding traffic to MKE so they can make more on the ORD routes? It might work, or it might not. The pro
60 Legacytravel : No I think that you market ORD to the businesses and to Southern half of Chicago. You market MKE to Lake County, Gurnee area. That way you are coveri
61 Cubsrule : Where'd you hear that? In any event, Abbott is really the only major corporation in Lake County closer to MKE than to ORD. Baxter and Walgreens are c
62 Legacytravel : It was announced earlier this year. I am almost quite sure that they will be relocating to Racine. Regards, Mark in MKE
63 Cubsrule : Huh... I just went through all of their press releases for the year and didn't see anything. Do you happen to have a link?
64 Post contains links Vivavegas : Abbott is not moving headquarters but is indeed planning a major "campus" in Kenosha County with plans upwards of 12,000 employees potential. http://
65 Cubsrule : In a way its not horribly relevant, as MKE is certainly the most convenient airport from Abbott Park as it is.
66 FlyXJT : So has anybody else noticed that for about a month now, half of the Eagle ticket counter is gone, and awaiting occupancy....
67 Legacytravel : The Ghetto. LOL I always called it Downtown or the Lakefront. I know the 3rd Ward is near there as well as Water Street north of the River. Regards,
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