Legacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6207 times:
Hi folks I know how rumors spread and I am fully aware that until it is offically announced that these are just rumors. I got this excerpt from a NWA letter in MKE:I am just very shocked that Jet Blue applied for 2 gates in Mke. They already have a counter they are sharing with American Eagle. I guess it doesn't harm NW but Midwest should be abit worried. They are adding Burbank, Boston, JFK, Ft.Myers, and Orlando. Keep in mind these are just some routes that were mentioned in the NW news letter.
I obviously cannot divulge my "sources".
What does everyone think about the possibility of B6 starting in MKE.
Mark in MKE
Lowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6105 times:
It sounds plausible.
I believe Jetblue's new philosophy will target routes being run by the 717 on both AirTran and Midwest. AirTran is already receiving a challenge after they announced Stewart, and I believe ROC and BUF are next in B6 sights. I think Jetblue feels the 190 with it's amenities and costs will be too difficult for these (2) carriers to deal with.
Legacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6076 times:
Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 2): Wait huh!?!?! Since when do they have part of the AE counter
LIke I said about the rumors they are like A-holes everyone has them. I do believe that B6 will be there sooner or later. I think they will serve JFK and MCO. I could also see a P2P of MKE to LAS since there is no competition for YX.
MKE in MKE
Legacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5922 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10): What's the current gate situation up at MKE? I know D and E are all spoken for, but I don't know what is going on on C...
I believe that with the expansion in C that there will be room for B6. I have been patiently waiting for Blue to start up. Whether or not we get any P2P flying with a 320 or the 190 remains to be seen.
My ideas are as follows
MKE-BUR possible bot highly unlikely.
also maybe NWA was aware of B6 starting up before they dropped the LAS,MCO LAX flying from MKE
Mark in MKE
Do you think these 2 would be the new ones that are coming in with the hammerhead, or some of the current ones? As for now it doesn't look like theres room for them until summer when the hammerhead is set to be finished.
CVG72 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 167 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5623 times:
Does anybody think that B6 will try and move into CVG, DAY, or CMH in the near future? I think it would be profitable for B6 to run RJs in and out of CVG's Concourse C, in the soon-to-be vacant OH building.
NorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 398 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5589 times:
Can B6 compete against Midwest ?? I don't think so. Jetblue may have found the only other airline in the USA that beats even the B6 club's view of B6's service. Having flown YX 15+ times in the last 2 years and EWR-MKE-MCI-SAT just 3 days ago I've gotta say they are just amazing.
Lowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5538 times:
Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 20): Can B6 compete against Midwest ?? I don't think so. Jetblue may have found the only other airline in the USA that beats even the B6 club's view of B6's service. Having flown YX 15+ times in the last 2 years and EWR-MKE-MCI-SAT just 3 days ago I've gotta say they are just amazing.
Jetblue is probably looking at bleeding Midwest out of business. They only have a little over $100M of which $45M or so is restricted.
Will MKE customers go for B6 service? Curiosity will find some at MKE trying B6, but it will be difficult to pry away those spoiled by the excellent service of the hometown airline. B6 is probably willing to fly with LF's in the 50 & 60's on the 190s. Yields will be meager, and they will probably lose some money in the first year of service. It will be a battle of attrition.
Jetblue just may walk away after a year if other opportunities open up due to consolidation. It should be an interesting battle.
Mlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5529 times:
Quoting Lowecur (Reply 21): Jetblue is probably looking at bleeding Midwest out of business. They only have a little over $100M of which $45M or so is restricted.
As big of a fan of the red-tail that I am, NW tried that when YX was in far worse shape financially, and couldn't.
YX stands alone.
Quoting Lowecur (Reply 21): Will MKE customers go for B6 service? Curiosity will find some at MKE trying B6, but it will be difficult to pry away those spoiled by the excellent service of the hometown airline. B6 is probably willing to fly with LF's in the 50 & 60's on the 190s. Yields will be meager, and they will probably lose some money in the first year of service. It will be a battle of attrition.
You're right, MKE is laden with loyalists to YX (and NW for that matter), and it would be a costly battle of attrition, one that B6 would probably just assume ignore, given that they're finally getting into the midwest with ORD.
With CO and YX, I think the MKE-NYC market is appropriately served, and JFK as a stop for points farther south (FL namely) is just geographically insane. BUR? That's a stretch...I could see LGB being a better choice if the slots were there. YX failed with signature service to SNA; LAX has proven to be the only viable LA-area airport to be served from MKE.
As far as MCO...why open a station to serve a route with marginal, if any, yield potential?
Long and short, B6 would not be coming to MKE, especially to muscle out YX.
I mean, for the right price I’ll fight a lion. - Mike Tyson
N917ME From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 726 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5502 times:
I agree, B6 would not be able to "bleed" out YX. NW tried numerous times and failed each time. MKE is very loyal to YX. B6 is looking for profitable routes, why go ino a new city, where over 50% of the market share is held by one airline with very loyal customers? Would you want to go from a signature service aircraft to a 3x3 config, just because of the live TV? Most business travelers have work to do and need the extra space YX provides?
Sure, If B6 comes, there will be curious people who will try their service, however, I am confident that they will come back to YX.
25 NorthwestEWR: Yep I tried YX once and since then I've been flying them as much as possible. Fantastic service !
26 Lowecur: Don't discount B6 that much. The 190 with 2X2 leather seating and Direct TV is not NWA. It will offer a formidable challenge to YX, albeit a difficul
27 Knope2001: The map on the MKE website shows the C hammerhead as done but it is still quite a few months away. When that is done I believe the temporary C gates
28 Lowecur: Great information, and all very fairly worded. Jetblue will certainly have their work cut out for them if this pans out. Jetblue needs a central hub
29 FLIGHTDECK787: That is correct that DL will get only gate "per say" when the new C opens. They will have 1 jetway however there will be spots to park 2 mainline jets
30 Cubsrule: There's no way YX and a B6 hub could coexist, and I don't see B6 eliminating YX...
31 Mke717spotter: Well if thats true there's gonna have to be a pretty big cutback of DL at MKE. When I was there a week ago they had 5 aircraft stay overnight. They o
32 Legacytravel: I heard that from a "NWA Insider" however much that means in this world. . This person has never gave me the wrong information on anything so I do tr
33 777FlyGuy: Nice to see the blue kool-aid drinkers are out in force again. It's been a quiet couple of weeks with little speculation. Keep it up guys!
34 Checkraiser: If they applied for gates wouldn't this be an open records item? If so a simple email or phone call to Gen. Mitchell could quickly give us the answer.
35 N353SK: I'm flying the route in January and it's scheduled on a CR9.
36 Flybyguy: The problem with YX is not the service... they are nationally renowned for their excellent service and fresh baked cookies... however they don't fly
37 MUWarriors: In terms of raw number of cities this is true. But if you look at the cities that YX flies to B6 really doesn't cover that many different major citie
38 JetBlueNYFL: That's what competition is about. That little airline called Delta used to have the greatest market share in many markets until jetBlue came along an
39 Cubsrule: The problem is that folks originating out of town are not as attuned to avoiding the ORDeal as are those of us from northern Illinois and Southern Wi
40 Sideflare75: I say let them come. They will not bleed YX out of business as some have said. If NW, with their established business, couldn't do it I doubt that a n
41 Legacytravel: Here is a little more unofficial information on the subject. This will be a NWA Manager. I got a chance to chat with the Manager and he insisted that
42 Knope2001: Indeed Jetblue has a significant base of very loyal supporters. However a market like MKE-NYC is tiltled sigifnicantly to Milwaukee-originating traff
43 777FlyGuy: Sounds like another one of those "I talked to someone who knows someone who works for someone who talked to someone....". Fact is no one REALLY knows
44 Mke717spotter: Is there any plans to expand the ticket counter area in MKE? As mentioned it is becoming a little crowded down there.