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Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14089 times:
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I found the following quote by Mr Leahy to be interesting. As some on this site are aware Airbus usually book the majority of their orders in the second half of the year. On November 22, Mr Leahy said the following;

According to sales data up to mid-November, he said, Airbus had won orders for 619 aircraft, the second-best sales year in its history, against 829 new orders won by Boeing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15856670/

As of the end of October Airbus had 467 total orders year to date yet by the 22nd of November they've added 152 which is quite a lot of frames.

Looking at pending and announced orders I can find a few that would contribute to the number such as;

52 x A32X for EasyJet announced Nov 14th

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=7070

37 x A319/A320/A321 & A332 for TAM announced Nov 16th

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=a9ye1.mNEO_4

6 x A320 for ALAFCO announced Oct 31 and re-affirmed Nov 14th

2 x A320 for Airblue of Pakistan announced Nov 14th

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=7059

That gives us 97 frames that I can see affirmed until that date thus leaving 55 frames of which we don't know whom they could for. Mr Leahy gave no indication as to the breakdown between widebodies and narrowbodies but with these 4 orders accounted for officially and prior to the 22nd I assume they will be included on their O&D website when it is updated.

Leaves me to ask the following;

1: Have Airbus "firmed up" previous commitments such as
Grupo Marsans for 12 x A332, announced July 19 at Farnborough
GoAir India for 10 x A32X, announced February 22nd, affirmed at Farnborough
Afriqiyah Airways for 9 x A32X & 3 x A332, announced July 18 at Farnborough
Adam Air Indonesia LoI for 30 x A32X announced February, 23rd 2006

2: That's just a few outstanding LoI's that I could come up with and it doesn't include SQ or QF A380s. More importantly there are still outstanding RFPs and this maybe an indication that they have won an rder campaign which is yet to be announced, one such example would be Vueling Airlines;

On expanding the fleet. Vueling currently operates about 28 daily routes with 14 Airbus SAS A320 jets:

''We're going to expand the fleet. Now we have 14 planes, and we've already ordered 16 more aircraft. This means that we're going to run 30 jets on a regime of operating leasing.''

''We want to review our options to buy new aircraft either from Airbus or from Boeing. We're going to make our first big order.''


Which was quoted on November 21st.

Are there any other RFPs or campaigns out there which could be included or add on orders from existing customers such as AZ whom may consider replacing MD-80s, finance permitting. As you can see Airbus have many pending orders though, to me, it appears they may have won an order in the range of 30 to 40 frames which we don't know about yet.

I would appreciate any clarification and please note that whilst this thread is posted in relation to Airbus orders, in no way, do I wish to see any A v B heated discussion ensue, as I seek information. A look at most of my previous posts would show I mainly enquire or post about orders in a fair and equitable manner, I ask that the responses are of the same nature.

Regards, PanAm_DC10


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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14015 times:

Hi PanAm_DC10,

Well you have brought up an interesting topic. From what I can remember from the top of my head, Airbus also has the following pending orders:

Transaero 8x A332 + A32X
Jagson A32X?
Kingfisher A345 + A32x?


Regards,
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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13951 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
Transaero 8x A332 + A32X

Hi Wings That'll be 4 x A32X announced on September 22nd

Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
Kingfisher A345 + A32x?

Kingfisher is 5 x A345, announced April 24, I am not aware of any oustanding A32X series for them. Would be happy to stand corrected though.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13935 times:

The 8 extra QF A388s should be in that figure, and maybe the MEA orders are included?

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13936 times:

Hi PanAm_DC10,

The 619 aircraft might exclude cancellations.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
2 x A320 for Airblue of Pakistan announced Nov 14th

Unless it is a different order, these were already included in the total until the end of october.


http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13860 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 2):
Kingfisher is 5 x A345, announced April 24

These were announced but don't appear on the O&D spreadsheet yet.


User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13783 times:

Easy Jet ordered 52 x A319. That is probably included in the list.


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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13770 times:
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Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
The 619 aircraft might exclude cancellations.

Do you mean exclude or include?

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
2 x A320 for Airblue of Pakistan announced Nov 14th


Unless it is a different order, these were already included in the total until the end of october.

True though if IIRC they ordered 2 and optioned 4, I was of the impression 2 options had been exercised.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 5):
These were announced but don't appear on the O&D spreadsheet yet

That's right Scouseflyer, as are some of the LoIs I have already listed. Airbus seem to have a larger amount of announced, pending, orders which take sometime to be firmed. That is why they usually book the majority of their orders firm in the decond half. These 5 x A345 for Kingfisher are one such case

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13649 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 7):
Do you mean exclude or include?

The 619 sold aircraft without deducting any cancelled orders (Brutt).

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 7):
I was of the impression 2 options had been exercised.

I didn't know that. Thanks for the update.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13502 times:
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Quoting Glareskin (Reply 6):
Easy Jet ordered 52 x A319. That is probably included in the list.

Thanks Glareskin but I included that in my original post.

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
I didn't know that. Thanks for the update.

I could be wrong but we'll have this months update next week so I'll correct if need.

As an aside, below is a link to the Airbus O&D spreadsheet so you can see what is firmed and what is not;

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13502 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 2):

Kingfisher is 5 x A345, announced April 24, I am not aware of any oustanding A32X series for them. Would be happy to stand corrected though.

You are correct PanAm_DC10, they currently have 5x A345 pending, although I would not be surprised to see Kingfisher placing more orders for the A32X series.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
The 8 extra QF A388s should be in that figure, and maybe the MEA orders are included?

QF yes although I would expect an eventual order from MEA booked in December or early 2007.

How about Tap Portugal? Mr Fernando Pinto Tap's CEO, has recently mentioned, that they are negotiating with Airbus acquiring more A330's, due to the latter arrival of the A350X. I would also expect that Tap Portugal will look into the fleet replacement of Portugalia (PGA). Even though I would believe that Portugalia will opt for the E170/190 combo.

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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13444 times:

Oh and there's the LCC in negotiations to but A330s

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13444 times:

Well here is the topic about Tap acquiring additional A330's, posted by PanAm_DC10.

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...d=3072776&s=tap+portugal#ID3072776

It's strange that I have recently forgotten about Tap's intention in acquiring some more A330's to offset the late arrival of the A350X.

Regards,
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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10239 posts, RR: 97
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13249 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
As of the end of October Airbus had 467 total orders year to date

May be just me, PanAm_DC10, but I'm sure I recall Airbus having collected 508 orders in the year to October, according to their spreadsheet.

For some reason, I'm unable to connect to the orders page just now, but I printed one off at the beginning of the month, and it shows 508.

That would leave you looking for 111 new orders.

Regards


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13235 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
For some reason, I'm unable to connect to the orders page just now, but I printed one off at the beginning of the month, and it shows 508.

Yup, the O&D spreadsheet does show 508 orders to end October 2006.


User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2462 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13056 times:

What about the further 75 options that easyJet agreed for an additional A32X? They got 52 firm orders plus a further 75 extra options totalling 127 now

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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13017 times:

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 17):
What about the further 75 options that easyJet agreed for an additional A32X? They got 52 firm orders plus a further 75 extra options totalling 127 now

Options dont get included in the order count (no matter how much some people here like to think Airbus fiddles the order counts...)


User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 354 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13009 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
2: That's just a few outstanding LoI's that I could come up with and it doesn't include SQ or QF A380s

I think those are included, all the media is reporting 166 A380 firm orders ( 159 - 10 + 18) since mid November.
I don't know it they "copied" each other or if they have an not yet public figure.
A few examples:
Delivery on Track
Airbus Heads Home After China Visits
A380 takes swing through China


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12884 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12834 times:
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Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 8):
Well, China "ordered" 150 A32x planes in November and, if last year was an indicator, Airbus is going to count the purchase agreement as firm even though the full contractuals are not completed.

Sorry to disappoint, but they're already counted.  rotfl 

How do you know the "contractuals" are not completed? scratchchin 



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10016 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
May be just me, PanAm_DC10, but I'm sure I recall Airbus having collected 508 orders in the year to October, according to their spreadsheet.

You know what? Now I know why you're called Astuteman my apologies for the error, so indeed I'm looking for....

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
That would leave you looking for 111 new orders.

....from the end of October, thank you and Richard for pointing it out  Embarrassment

If that was to the 23rd of November it's still going to be another good month for Airbus and Easyjet and TAM seem to cover 89 of those frames and still looking for another 22 frames to that date.

To try and spare me further embarrassment let's see whether they do get close to booking 152 frames this month  Smile

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9112 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 12):
You are correct PanAm_DC10, they currently have 5x A345 pending, although I would not be surprised to see Kingfisher placing more orders for the A32X series.

Doesn't Kingfisher also have 5 A332s on order as well??



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9018 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 12):
You are correct PanAm_DC10, they currently have 5x A345 pending

I'm surprised that they don't buy them from SQ. My understanding is that resale value was the obstacle to SQ replacing their A340-500s with B777-200LRs.


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8931 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):
I'm surprised that they don't buy them from SQ.

Kingfisher wouldn't get the A345HGW if they bought SQ's A345s. Though, I'm not sure if that would matter on the routes Kingfisher wants to fly...

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):
My understanding is that resale value was the obstacle to SQ replacing their A340-500s with B777-200LRs.

That was at least what SQ said earlier this year when they turned the 77L down.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10239 posts, RR: 97
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8904 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 21):
You know what? Now I know why you're called Astuteman my apologies for the error, so indeed I'm looking for....

FWIW the second boat of class is called HMS "Ambush".......  Wink

Regards


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 22):
Doesn't Kingfisher also have 5 A332s on order as well??

That order was firmed up last year.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):

I'm surprised that they don't buy them from SQ. My understanding is that resale value was the obstacle to SQ replacing their A340-500s with B777-200LRs.

Well Brendows explained it rather well. I'm sure that the new A345HGW will have all the early bugs soughted out, that SQ experienced.

I'm not also sure if the HGW version of the A345 is actually more economical then the previous non HGW.

So know one thinks that Tap is a candidate to some orders this year?


Regards,
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25 PanAm_DC10 : Well Wings that all comes down to the new deal to replace the original A350 order. If they don't order 5 this year, then Q1 2007 it shall be. Regards
26 Post contains images WINGS : Well fingers crossed PanAm_DC10. I'm sure that TAP's management must feel like a bunch of idiots after they cancelled two A332's on order early this
27 Scouseflyer : I hope so the "Micro-bus" looks so cool!
28 Brendows : In terms of fuel burn, no, since the HGW has a higher OEW and thus a higher fuel burn. But it can take a higher payload and/or carry it a bit further
29 Post contains links WINGS : The engines on the HGW have been improved to reduce fuel burn vs non HGW. Even though it may not be apparent with the increased weight of the A340HGW
30 Post contains images Brendows : The non-HGW of the A340NG should also benefit from any improvements/modifications that the engines receive, since both versions use the same engines,
31 Post contains links and images AMSSFO : Didn't Petters and Jet Alliance both order a A318, while Boutsen ordered 2 A319? The latter might be included as Private customer in the September up
32 Bobski : I just spotted on the A350 page on Airbus's website that Singapore is listed as a launch customer for the A350XWB with a commitment for up to 40 frame
33 Scouseflyer : These were announced at Farnborough but only as commitments not firm orders - but with the possible/probabble announcement today they could be announ
34 WINGS : I would love to get my hands on info, that was specific to the gains one would get in equipping the non HGW engines with the improvements applied to
35 Trex8 : Wings d o you know how the A2 variant of the Trent 500s differ from the non A2??
36 Post contains images WINGS : Sorry mate, but it's not my area of expertise. But I'm confident that someone on this board will be more then kind enough to explain it. Regards, Win
37 Post contains links Brendows : I found out now. The A2 variant is a newer version of the Trent 500-series, which were certified a little under five years after the original variant
38 Post contains links Breiz : Airbus themselves are reporting 166 firm orders and commitments: http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repos...a_object_file_A380_commitments.pdf
39 Breiz : Well not quite so, according to Airbus at least. As everybody remembers, they had logged 150 ac ordered by CASC (20 A319s, 100 A320s and 30 A321s) in
40 RichardPrice : What do you mean? Its two seperate orders, both for 150 A320 family aircraft - its not the same order counted twice, its two orders counted seperatel
41 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : You sly fox! You got me! But we must wait because   Indeed we will AMSSFO Instead of looking for 111 orders for November we are now looking for 127
42 Breiz : Right or wrong, according to Airbus' records, there are two orders of 150 ac, one in Dec. 2005 and one in Oct. 2006.
43 RichardPrice : Yes, thats correct. There are 300 aircraft on order. Nothing wrong with the figures presented, so I fail to see your point here - - which was made in
44 Mk777 : When does kingfisher get their A332s and A345s?
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