PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4074 posts, RR: 91 Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13796 times:
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I found the following quote by Mr Leahy to be interesting. As some on this site are aware Airbus usually book the majority of their orders in the second half of the year. On November 22, Mr Leahy said the following;
According to sales data up to mid-November, he said, Airbus had won orders for 619 aircraft, the second-best sales year in its history, against 829 new orders won by Boeing.
That gives us 97 frames that I can see affirmed until that date thus leaving 55 frames of which we don't know whom they could for. Mr Leahy gave no indication as to the breakdown between widebodies and narrowbodies but with these 4 orders accounted for officially and prior to the 22nd I assume they will be included on their O&D website when it is updated.
Leaves me to ask the following;
1: Have Airbus "firmed up" previous commitments such as
Grupo Marsans for 12 x A332, announced July 19 at Farnborough
GoAir India for 10 x A32X, announced February 22nd, affirmed at Farnborough
Afriqiyah Airways for 9 x A32X & 3 x A332, announced July 18 at Farnborough
Adam Air Indonesia LoI for 30 x A32X announced February, 23rd 2006
2: That's just a few outstanding LoI's that I could come up with and it doesn't include SQ or QF A380s. More importantly there are still outstanding RFPs and this maybe an indication that they have won an rder campaign which is yet to be announced, one such example would be Vueling Airlines;
On expanding the fleet. Vueling currently operates about 28 daily routes with 14 Airbus SAS A320 jets:
''We're going to expand the fleet. Now we have 14 planes, and we've already ordered 16 more aircraft. This means that we're going to run 30 jets on a regime of operating leasing.''
''We want to review our options to buy new aircraft either from Airbus or from Boeing. We're going to make our first big order.''
Which was quoted on November 21st.
Are there any other RFPs or campaigns out there which could be included or add on orders from existing customers such as AZ whom may consider replacing MD-80s, finance permitting. As you can see Airbus have many pending orders though, to me, it appears they may have won an order in the range of 30 to 40 frames which we don't know about yet.
I would appreciate any clarification and please note that whilst this thread is posted in relation to Airbus orders, in no way, do I wish to see any A v B heated discussion ensue, as I seek information. A look at most of my previous posts would show I mainly enquire or post about orders in a fair and equitable manner, I ask that the responses are of the same nature.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4074 posts, RR: 91
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13477 times:
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Quoting Manni (Reply 4): The 619 aircraft might exclude cancellations.
Do you mean exclude or include?
Quoting Manni (Reply 4): Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
2 x A320 for Airblue of Pakistan announced Nov 14th
Unless it is a different order, these were already included in the total until the end of october.
True though if IIRC they ordered 2 and optioned 4, I was of the impression 2 options had been exercised.
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 5): These were announced but don't appear on the O&D spreadsheet yet
That's right Scouseflyer, as are some of the LoIs I have already listed. Airbus seem to have a larger amount of announced, pending, orders which take sometime to be firmed. That is why they usually book the majority of their orders firm in the decond half. These 5 x A345 for Kingfisher are one such case
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13209 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 2):
Kingfisher is 5 x A345, announced April 24, I am not aware of any oustanding A32X series for them. Would be happy to stand corrected though.
You are correct PanAm_DC10, they currently have 5x A345 pending, although I would not be surprised to see Kingfisher placing more orders for the A32X series.
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3): The 8 extra QF A388s should be in that figure, and maybe the MEA orders are included?
QF yes although I would expect an eventual order from MEA booked in December or early 2007.
How about Tap Portugal? Mr Fernando Pinto Tap's CEO, has recently mentioned, that they are negotiating with Airbus acquiring more A330's, due to the latter arrival of the A350X. I would also expect that Tap Portugal will look into the fleet replacement of Portugalia (PGA). Even though I would believe that Portugalia will opt for the E170/190 combo.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11970 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12541 times:
Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 8): Well, China "ordered" 150 A32x planes in November and, if last year was an indicator, Airbus is going to count the purchase agreement as firm even though the full contractuals are not completed.
Sorry to disappoint, but they're already counted.
How do you know the "contractuals" are not completed?
Hey AA, the 1960s called. They want their planes back!