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380: Route Proving Mission Finished: What's Next?  
User currently offlineA520 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10074 times:

What does remain on the menu before certification?

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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10087 times:

Full weight rejected take off test.

Other than that, probably nothing major.


User currently offlineCPairDC10 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9978 times:

I wish I knew where that would take place..........a great site I bet, not that Id want to see it or be in one in for real

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 1):
Full weight rejected take off test.

Is that the one where the wheels catch fire and stuff cos they slam on the brakes at V1 in a MTOW plane?


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3590 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 1):

New tyres, new brakes and new underwear for the flightdeck crew coming up!!!


User currently offlineNoWorries From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
New tyres, new brakes and new underwear for the flightdeck crew coming up!!!

Do they get many volunteers for the flightdeck crew, or does this one have to be "assigned?"


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9811 times:

Quoting CPairDC10 (Reply 2):
I wish I knew where that would take place..........a great site I bet, not that Id want to see it or be in one in for real

The RTO test will probably be executed at Istres (LFMI), where similar test have been done before.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

It trully sounds like the plane is ready for service outside of the production issues. Airbus will be wise to schedule extra test to further refine the plane and to squeeze out as much efficiencies as possible from the airframe and the engines. That will go a far in easing customer anger over the delays in production.


That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9643 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 6):
The RTO test will probably be executed at Istres (LFMI), where similar test have been done before.

I hope that they've got better firemen that they had for the A346 test!


User currently offlineThaiAggie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9610 times:

I read in Thai newspaper that A380 will come to Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi airport on December 5th and stays until December 7th


Barrow, Alaska in Feb. It was Cold!
User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9575 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Airbus will be wise to schedule extra test to further refine the plane and to squeeze out as much efficiencies as possible from the airframe and the engines. That will go a far in easing customer anger over the delays in production.

At this point-in-time anything other than very minor changes to engines and airframes are highly unlikely as any design change will further delay production. What will be developed are tweaks to the recommended operational procedures and automated controls to maximize efficiency as flight data is gathered and analyzed.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9567 times:

Airbus Press Release:

A380 wraps up technical route proving after a final trip over both poles
30 November 2006

The world’s largest commercial airliner, the 555-seat Airbus A380, has successfully completed a series of technical route proving missions, receiving an enthusiastic welcome at each destination. Technical route proving is the last of the trials required for Type Certification, which is expected in mid-December. [emphasis added]

Returning from its final route that took it over the North Pole, the MSN002 landed in Toulouse, France today at 1.30 pm local time (12H30 UTC). This final flight left Vancouver, Canada under heavy snow conditions, on Wednesday 29th November at 4.25 pm local time (00H25 UTC) .

The exercise took the A380 MSN002 across the globe on an 18-day trip, stopping at ten airports in the Asia/Pacific region. During the trials, the aircraft flew approximately 69,000 nm / 127,788 km in some 152 flight hours, with all flights performed on schedule. The aircraft was operated by Airbus flight crews. The Airworthiness Authority pilots from both the European Aviation Safety Agency and the US Federal Aviation Administration also participated in the technical route proving and flew the aircraft on four legs.

A major highlight of the exercise was the Johannesburg - Sydney trip over the South Pole, where the A380 demonstrated its capability to fly ultra long-range routes at maximum payload. The A380 departed Johannesburg, South Africa, its maximum take-off weight of 555 tonnes / 1,223,565 lbs and was the heaviest aircraft ever to take off from O.R. Tambo International Airport, located at 1,680 metres (5,323 feet) above sea level. This trial demonstrated the A380s excellent performance at high altitude airports. The aircraft landed at Sydney airport after a flight of around 16 hours covering a distance of 7,296 nm / 13,512km, circling the South Pole on the way.

The technical route proving started on November 13th with four trips which included visits to Singapore and Seoul on the 14th and 15th November, then to Hong Kong and Narita, Japan on 18th and 19th November. On the third trip, the aircraft went to China stopping at Guangzhou on 22nd November and Beijing and Shanghai on 23rd November. The fourth and final journey included the round-the-world trip via both poles with stops in South Africa, Australia and Canada.

At each destination, the A380 performed as expected, demonstrating that it can be turned around as per normal airline operations. Checks were made on standard maintenance and behaviour, as well as typical airport operations and compatibility. This included the monitoring of functions such as bridge docking, cleaning and catering, refuelling and boarding procedures. The automatic landing capability of the A380 was also successfully demonstrated during a local flight performed at Johannesburg.


http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...380_tech_route_proving_wrapup.html


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9520 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 8):
I hope that they've got better firemen that they had for the A346 test!

Why? What happened on that test?



That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9377 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):

Why? What happened on that test?

You'll find answers to all of your questions in this thread:
http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/read.main/3109153


[Edited 2006-11-30 19:38:21]

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9385 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):

Why? What happened on that test?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMEN959voE


User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
Why? What happened on that test?

I don't think this was quite what they were hoping for!  Wink



Rgds.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 1):
Full weight rejected take off test.

Other than that, probably nothing major.

that's going to be a sight to see....I missed the MD11 10 per cent over gross RTO test but I heard it was pretty exciting stuff....not in a league with this video though.


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 11):
A major highlight of the exercise was the Johannesburg - Sydney trip over the South Pole, where the A380 demonstrated its capability to fly ultra long-range routes at maximum payload. The A380 departed Johannesburg, South Africa, its maximum take-off weight of 555 tonnes / 1,223,565 lbs and was the heaviest aircraft ever to take off from O.R. Tambo International Airport, located at 1,680 metres (5,323 feet) above sea level. This trial demonstrated the A380s excellent performance at high altitude airports. The aircraft landed at Sydney airport after a flight of around 16 hours covering a distance of 7,296 nm / 13,512km, circling the South Pole on the way.

LAX-HKG is 7260 miles. Will A380 be able to do LAX-HKG year round, say with some weight penalty? It did 7296 miles with max payload on its route proving trip.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9183 times:

Baloney - they are Not done with the Route Proving - they NEVER flew the A 380 in/out of JFK/EWR, LAX, ORD or other major airports in the USA where they will be operated. Also, we have no A-net photos of an A380 at an USA airport. The USA will be a major place for the ops of the A380, and Airbus should have shown up with one at the above airports.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9127 times:

Quoting A520 (Thread starter):
What does remain on the menu before certification?

Announcing the next round of delays....  duck 


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9100 times:

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 17):

LAX-HKG is 7260 miles. Will A380 be able to do LAX-HKG year round, say with some weight penalty? It did 7296 miles with max payload on its route proving trip.

One would think this is a prerequisite to get CX on board...LAX-HKG and LAX-SFO are two of their majour flights....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineSphealey From United States of America, joined May 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9058 times:

"Here's the credit card - go show the flag(s). Be back in two years. Why not give some of those a.netter nuts a ride while you are at it; they are our best source of free publicity".

Or something like that  Wink

sPh


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9031 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
One would think this is a prerequisite to get CX on board...LAX-HKG and LAX-SFO are two of their majour flights....

It might be important to SQ too if they want to replace their flights to SFO/LAX with A380.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9006 times:

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 22):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
One would think this is a prerequisite to get CX on board...LAX-HKG and LAX-SFO are two of their majour flights....

It might be important to SQ too if they want to replace their flights to SFO/LAX with A380.

 checkmark ....It was actually one of the intial routes they were planning on flying the A380 on...(SQ 1/2)....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 17):
LAX-HKG is 7260 miles. Will A380 be able to do LAX-HKG year round, say with some weight penalty? It did 7296 miles with max payload on its route proving trip.

The article says "7296nm" - nautical miles. But I somehow doubt this figure: From what I know, the A380's range with maximum payload is about 12500km/7700 miles/6800nm. Maybe the payload-range performance is that much better than expected ?



Exceptions confirm the rule.
25 Post contains links Blrsea : Yup, you are right. I didn't read that properly. LAX-HKG is 6309 nm as per great circle mapper. If it can do LAX-HKG year round with no weight penalt
26 Pihero : Actually, the test requires worn brakes, almost to the accepted limit for normal operations.
27 Brendows : First, the article doesn't say that it flew that route with max payload, it says that the A388 took off at MTOW. The range with max payload (at MZFW)
28 RichardPrice : It does actually -
29 A342 : I somehow also suspected this, but the following part of the article confused me: "A major highlight of the exercise was the Johannesburg - Sydney tr
30 Post contains images Brendows : Ah, thanks for pointing that out for me Richard, somehow I missed that part On a flight of 7296nm, it should be somewhere around 15-16 tons below max
31 RichardPrice : I actually have a theory about that, and mind that its only a theory - the past 18 months have been little more than terrible for the A380 project, w
32 Post contains images EGNR : I've heard one of the A380s will be visiting the USA early in 2007, visiting a number of airports expected to see A380 operations...
33 Bongodog1964 : I was thinking they would need them after the test; but after looking at the video of the A346 test; new tyres and brakes looks like a best case scen
34 Agill : Ok, I'm so sick and tired of all the negative posts about the A380 by now.... but that was just hillarious hahaha
35 Post contains images MBJ2000 : Oh, you're no fun anymore! You obviously didn't get the joke, he meant what plane and pilots need AFTER the test, new brakes and new underwear...
36 Post contains images Swissy : I have to second that RP, no performance news since...... maybe that girl is actually performing better than most of the a. neters think.... I am gla
37 Osiris30 : @swissy: Its not hard to exceed expectations of some a.netters when it comes to the 380. I mean the wings just have to stay on for that LOL We'll all
38 Post contains images WingedMigrator : Or maybe it wasn't really flying at max payload... Max payload could also be construed as "maximum passenger payload" (555 pax), who knows, it's just
39 AirTranTUS : That video appears to be a failure of the airport rescue personnel, IMO. When the fire fighter first tried spraying the center tires, the stream seem
40 Iberia340600 : Oh my god.....those have to be the worst firemen ever!!
41 SailorOrion : Well, the first interaction happened to early (they need to wait 5 minutes before intervention otherwise the test is failed). However, once the situa
42 Zvezda : Yes, with a weight penalty on days with strong headwinds. No, about 6500nm with max payload. See the Z-chart posted above.
43 Jasond : Well not anger, more disquiet, except for the freighter cancellation all other customers have kept the faith even to the point of increasing orders.
44 Zvezda : One cannot say that VS have kept the faith.
45 Leelaw : One wonders why VS isn't anxious to take-on BA by offering "incomparable levels of luxury" to pax at competitive prices allegedly afforded by operati
46 Zvezda : Consider, hypothetically, what would VS do now exactly if they wanted to cancel their WhaleJet order. To avoid having to pay penalties to Airbus, the
47 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Given that the data presented above is 6500nm in still air and HKG-LAX-HKG is 6300-6400nm sometimes with excessive headwinds, it would be one expensi
48 Zvezda : I think a conversion to A350s is much more likely. Either way, the chances of VS taking delivery of a WhaleJet looks about the same as the chances of
49 Osiris30 : It's actually 15 minutes. Not 5.
50 Pygmalion : Spraying a hard jet of cold water on burning magnesium at 3000C or hotter is a good way to cause an explosion. Not a good idea. Not only that but the
51 Jasond : I don't believe they have cancelled though??
52 Zvezda : Not officially, but then it wouldn't make any sense at all for VS to have officially cancelled their WhaleJet orders before the A350 were available.
53 Scouseflyer : I'm not an expert but there was a section of the Discovery channel documentary where they did take-offs with the tail right down and in one it went w
54 Post contains images RayChuang : My guess is that within the next six months Airbus will be flying the A380-800 to the USA to test airports where the plane will be seen commonly in se
55 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Now I wouldn't go that far... I'm hoping for a day when (if) the A380 arrives, it will it arrive on 19L as opposed to the 28's.....now that would be
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