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Air Madrid: Another Big Delay  
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7564 times:

Nothing new.

NM is a complete disaster.

I'm waiting for its arrival today[11/30] at 1500 hours. The arrival information provided by the airline is a 12 hours delay. The passengers were transferred to a hotel in Madrid.

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User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

How much longer can Air Madrid afford to pay for all these delays? (i.e. passenger compensation, hotel stays, etc.)


Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7459 times:

Today, Air Madrid is once again in the news (in Spanish):

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/178132/0/air/madrid/retrasos/


User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7420 times:

I was in EZE several times in the last few weeks. Each time, I saw an Air Madrid flight delayed by several hours.

User currently offlineSpantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7394 times:

Well, at MAD the Air Madrid tickets/information desk is the only one, I think (well, maybe one of the few) equipped with a dick glass to separate employees and (usually angry) passengers. And the queues at the check-in desks are the longest in the whole airport (even longest than those of the US carriers, with their security-paranoia). The Spanish Civil Aviation Authority opened an investigation about Air Madrid but I am afraid they only concluded with a bunch of recommendations and no financial penalties. Air Madrid: a shame.


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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7321 times:

Just a question, how much cash can you save by flying these airlines, instead of Iberia or any other legacy carrier, having in mind that time itself is more valuable than money ???

Best regards



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 1):
How much longer can Air Madrid afford to pay for all these delays? (i.e. passenger compensation, hotel stays, etc.)

Good question. It's only a matter of time until they declare bankruptcy and if they do, it's because the people in charge of NM don't have the slightest idea of how to run a business.

While I'd feel for the employees who'd lose their jobs, I certainly won't miss NM if they go out of business because they had it coming.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7244 times:
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Quoting TACAA320 (Thread starter):
Nothing new.

NM is a complete disaster.

I'm waiting for its arrival today[11/30] at 1500 hours. The arrival information provided by the airline is a 12 hours delay. The passengers were transferred to a hotel in Madrid.

Well, for another airline, a delay of 12 hours is a BIG delay.

For Air Madrid, a delay of 12 hours is to be in time... Big grin; last week a flight from EZE to BCN with stop in TFN was 47 hours late... and the plane, just arrived to BCN was parked due to several technical problems...

The solution of the many problems of Air Madrid is to seek more aircrafts, more pilots and crews and a partner who make the checks and council the airline what to do...



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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7222 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):
The solution of the many problems of Air Madrid is to seek more aircrafts, more pilots and crews and a partner who make the checks and council the airline what to do...

Can the public and the Civil Aviation authority of Spain just relax and wait for it to happen in the uncertain future ???

Best regards



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7194 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):

Well, for another airline, a delay of 12 hours is a BIG delay.



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):

For Air Madrid, a delay of 12 hours is to be in time...

The aircraft is still at MAD. The estimated delay now is about 15 hours [but who knows for sure].


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

May I suggest to put a thread, once they run 10 flights in series on time..... Big grin

Cheers
Legacy135 Wink


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7127 times:

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 10):
May I suggest to put a thread, once they run 10 flights in series on time.....

Sounds like a fairy tale.  Wink


User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7068 times:

The sad thing is some of those pasengers have paid more than if they had chosen a legacy carrier.  banghead 


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 12):
The sad thing is some of those pasengers have paid more than if they had chosen a legacy carrier.

And they advertise themselves as an LCC? If what you say is true, then NM is ripping passengers off, when they could have gotten a better deal and more reliable service from UX or IB.

Anyone know NM's slogan? It's "Elige bien, elige mejor" (Choose right, choose better). Maybe this should be a suggestion to all potential NM passengers and employees: If you want to choose right, choose to better NOT to fly or work for NM.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6870 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Thread starter):

I'm waiting for its arrival today[11/30] at 1500 hours.

And still waiting ...

Expected at 0230 hours December 1st..


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6862 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 14):
Expected at 0230 hours December 1st..

Are you talking about NM flight 841? Because it's now listed as confirmed with an ETA of 0325 hours LT.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11437 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6760 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
Are you talking about NM flight 841? Because it's now listed as confirmed with an ETA of 0325 hours LT.

And they will really begin more services next year ???

Felipe



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User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6740 times:

In today's paper here in Spain they say they want to go public in 2007. Who can be so dumb as to actually invest their money with them?  dopey 


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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

I'm sorry if this may sound stupid but, I think that no one has actually explained what is causing the delays at Air Madrid.

Would someone be kind enough to point out all the recent delays and what was the primary cause?

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

BIG NEWS

Grupo Marsans is said to buy Air Madrid for the 'symbolic' amount of €1 (1 Euro).

EDIT: Air Madrid just denied this - announced intentions to come out as a public company, issue stock.

Air Madrid desmiente su venta a Marsans y anuncia su intención de salir a Bolsa - Spanish only

Cheers!
Gastón - The MD11junkie

[Edited 2006-12-01 13:59:59]


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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6610 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):

Are you talking about NM flight 841?

Yes sir. My sister went to the airport to pick up my niece and the flight arrived around 0330 hours [not sure].

Quoting WINGS (Reply 18):


Would someone be kind enough to point out all the recent delays and what was the primary cause?

I think is the lack of equipment [among some other factors]. One of their seven aircrafts is out of service.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):
and the plane, just arrived to BCN was parked due to several technical problems...

It sounds scary.

I hope that their passengers don't know about that.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
And they will really begin more services next year ???

So it seems, but I suggest that everything related to NM starting service is taken with a very big grain of salt. The only reliable information on NM is about their delays.

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 17):
In today's paper here in Spain they say they want to go public in 2007.

Question is: will they still be around in 2007?

Quoting WINGS (Reply 18):
Would someone be kind enough to point out all the recent delays and what was the primary cause?

It's simple: too few aircraft for far too many destinations. They got an overbloated network which goes into chaos as soon as one aircraft is AOG for one reason or the other.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 20):
Yes sir. My sister went to the airport to pick up my niece and the flight arrived around 0330 hours [not sure].

Ah OK, I see. Good to see that your niece made it back.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6398 times:

Thanks a lot LTU !!!!!

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
Anyone know NM's slogan? It's "Elige bien, elige mejor" (Choose right, choose better).

They also have another one that says "volve a volar por poco" which means "go back to flying for little (money)" but it could also mean "go back to barely flying"  Wink

Funny that one of the points they present on their webpage as "criterio operativo" (operational criteria) is "Mantener un producto altamente competitivo" (Keep a highly competitive product) ... now who exactly are they competing against? Airlines that actually fly?
http://www.airmadrid.com/compania04.jsp

It is unbelievable how NM is still around and why people still book flights with them. I pefer to pay a bit more and know that I will be taken from A to B normally, and most of all knowing that if there is a problem I will get a hotel, or be placed on another airline, or any other solution. NM's solutions are ... well, wait for 15 hours!

saludos  Smile



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
25 LipeGIG : Agree 100%. Seems that they need to start new services because sales on current markets drops as pax heard real histories about huge delays and probl
26 FlyKev : Was curious as well. Looked at a sample fare from Madrid to Peru on the same dates, and Iberia charge 1,344.47 EUR, whilst Air Madrid charge 798,47 E
27 TACAA320 : Unbelievable but true. NM is already booked until May 2007 according information released here [at SJO] by one of their services agent [a friend of m
28 LTU932 : I don't want to dispute what your source says, but I find it hard to believe that NM at SJO is fully booked until May. But then again, I have not hea
29 Post contains links IberiaA319 : Yes, that glass was not there before. Yesterday, Air Madrid had over 1000 passengers stranded in Barajas due to heavy delays, and some angry passenge
30 Aerokiwi : My father had booked to fly Air Madrid frm TLS to Madrid and back a few weeks ago. Nobody from the airline had contacted him or any of the other passe
31 Yellowstone : Air Madrid is starting to sound like Amtrak. At least on the train, if you're delayed for several hours, you still have a decent view, space to walk a
32 EZEIZA : Flight NM 1261 should have arrived to EZE at 10:40 this morning. It is now almost 8:00 pm and there is still no news as to when it will be arriving (h
33 IberiaA319 : No, the flight has not even left MAD. Departure is now scheduled for Monday 4th at 12.50 am. Scheduled arrival at EZE is now Monday at 9.20 am, almos
34 Post contains images ZRHnerd : The sad thing is that the people really suffering are all the NM employees as in ground handling agents, customer care employees, cabin crew etc. as i
35 Post contains links TACAA320 : Interesting link abount NM's success in Perú [sorry but it's in Spanish]. http://www.tnewsperu.com/eventos18.asp
36 Icaro : Someone I know works for NM as a cabin crew. You can't believe the things they are forced to do. Yesterday she was scheduled to fly to EZE, but got a
37 Mdaddy : In keeping with their apparent tradition of delays, NM have decided to delay their entry into MIA until further notice. They were expected for Decembe
38 Iberia340600 : That was to be expected. Until they can get their act together...I dont think they can afford to open new routes. ESPECIALLY in the U.S. The FAA woul
39 Post contains images Legacy135 : This would be good, as the Spanish CAA obviously doesn't do it. Somebody needs to take care, this situation is unbearable! An airline going on schedu
40 RootsAir : Why did you chose Air Madrid to begin with ??????? I don't see a big future for Air Madrid ! Then again what a big shame what Spain doesn't have a ta
41 RootsAir : " target=_blank>http://www.tnewsperu.com/eventos18.asp What bunch of bullshit! The best equippied fleet ? Then get PTV's ! Y class with biggest seat p
42 Post contains images Iberia340600 : First off...this thread is about NM...stick to the topic at hand. Second...having PTV's in coach is a personal thing YOU may require for your trip...
43 TACAA320 : Which other do you recommend me to begin with ?????????
44 RootsAir : What a question ? Of course Iberia ! Whilst they perhaps don't have the best service out there they are 1) Far more serious than Air Madrid 2) Apart
45 Iberia340600 : The #1 reason the general public chooses an airline(and I am not talking about a.netters) is price followed by routing. PTV's are in general not some
46 RootsAir : Well when you continuously fly Spanish airlines you'll never experience a PTV. Take a better ailine that charges just around the same and you'll get
47 Iberia340600 : RootsAir....again....people do not base their choice of airline based on if they have PTV's or not. Its understandable if that is your choice or the c
48 Post contains links RootsAir : I'm really sorry. I didn't meant to say people are based only on PTV's. you are right saying people chose based on price. But I just think its very c
49 Iberia340600 : Rootsair....generally speaking....most legacy carriers have the same prices throughout....they do that to remain competitive. On may occasions....othe
50 Icaro : yeap, all right, now we now that IB is expensive, shitty service and no PTV's. Anything new about Air Madrid and the delays, which I think was the ini
51 TACAA320 : I totally agree with you. I initiate this thread about NM not about IB. And as far as I know, the only relation between both is that they are from th
52 Post contains links and images EZEIZA : The only reasoning that I can see is that the general public is not aware of how crap NM has been. A.netters and airline fans in general have been fo
53 LTU932 : These so-called sanctions they might impose are not good enough. IMO, the Spanish CAA should just pull the plug on NM for good. It's simply going too
54 Post contains links and images Gortsilo : Found this interesting: *** Sufren pasajeros de Air Madrid en Toluca Luego de mostrar su inconformidad, 100 pasajeros aceptaron hacer escala en Ecuado
55 Post contains links MXComet4C : Today Dec 05 as per Reforma Newspaper in Mexico City (www.reforma.com): "NM pax suffer in TLC" http://www.reforma.com/edomex/articulo/715325/ The arti
56 LTU932 : Perhaps they'll have them connect to one of MX's flights from MEX or charter an aircraft like they did when the NM delay from a few weeks ago forced
57 TACAA320 : Thanks a lot for the pics ! Very illustrative about NM's efficiency.
58 Post contains links TACAA320 : Sorry pals, once again in Spanish. Released just a couple of hours ago: "Air Madrid ha roto las negociaciones abiertas con Iberia para alcanzar un acu
59 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://www.cincodias.com/ultimahora/...asos/20061205cdsgbasec_352785/Tes/
60 LTU932 : Who has been doing maintenance on NM's fleet all this time? And where's that second A343 coming from? I don't think they're in any position to say th
61 SKY1 : Sometimes people are more than stupid ...if you really care your relative (this guy is telling that he has a relative who is ill in Madrid) you don't
62 Post contains links and images IberiaA319 : Air Madrid's delays seem to have no end: MAD-FOR-EZE (NM1221): The scheduled departure was yesterday at 11.50 pm, the actual departure time was today
63 TACAA320 : Very interesting opinions. Nevertheless, nothing new about NM.
64 Post contains links TACAA320 : 30 hours delayed to SCL !!! http://www.abc.es/20061203/madrid-ma...uelo-madrid-sale_200612030250.html
65 Peterinlisbon : This one made me laugh: QUE LES CAIGAN LAS MALDICIONES DE LOS SIETE INFIERNOS Y LAS TORTURAS DE LAS PLAGAS DE TODA LA HUMANIDAD. (May they receive the
66 TACAA320 : This is really funny. And the guy was really upset.
67 RootsAir : Hola Eric, espero que estes bien Which is why I chose IB when flying to Costa rica anytime and Why I tell TACAA320 that the best choice to CR is IB (s
68 RootsAir : These are meant to be modern A330's...geee
69 Post contains images LTU932 : That guy should forward this "curse" directly to José Luis Carrillo, the boss of that so-called airline. There are also quite a few more complaints
70 Post contains links and images IberiaA319 : Yes, quite funny some of those comments and flight reviews Here a sad story about how some passengers were badly treated and declared persona non grat
71 LTU932 : I can't believe what NM claims to have happened. To me, it's all bullshit. Do they even have serious proof which confirms that these eight passengers
72 Post contains links TACAA320 : Can the Ombudsman do something to protect the passengers rights ? http://ombudsman.europa.eu/
73 Post contains links IberiaA319 : " target=_blank>http://ombudsman.europa.eu/ Well, the Ecuadorean Ambassador in Madrid called Air Madrid as he was interested to know what happened to
74 SKY1 : If that is true, I feel embarrassed for NM. This so-called airline have to disappear. A Spanish airline can't be that mediocre in every aspect includ
75 LTU932 : In some countries, such a statement to a high diplomatic representative, like in this case the Ecuadorian Consul General, can be seen as an insult. I
76 TACAA320 : I totally agree. Even more let see if they say that to a Judge when somebody sue them.
77 Post contains images RICARIZA :
78 Post contains links RIXrat : 05.11.2006 - Air Madrid (NM/Madrid) has wet-leased a B737-400 from Futura Intl Airways (FH/Palma de Mallorca). Its single A310-300 has been repossesse
79 TACAA320 : You´re right. Day/Month/Year. An that apply for LatAm also.
80 Post contains links IberiaA319 : Well, even though yesterday's BOG-MAD flight is delayed by almost 14 hours, it seems that most of Air Madrid's operations are "more or less" on time!!
81 RootsAir : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8jiI...UvZck big delay , oxygen masks falling off, torn seats, seats that are unreclinable, seats tape
82 FCAFLYBOY : Sorry, a very naive comment! I fly regularly to the US LHR-JFK. I choose VS every time because of the inflight-entertainment ONLY, and I don't factor
83 LTU932 : The fact that some of those seats are patched up with duct tape is scary. I don't want to know how those passengers felt when I saw an NM A333 at SJO
84 Post contains links TACAA320 : "...También presentaron reclamaciones los viajeros de un vuelo a Toluca (México) que tenía que haber salido ayer de Madrid a las 18.30 horas y lo h
85 Post contains images LTU932 : So much for NM's intentions to start flying without any delays.
86 Post contains links and images MXComet4C : Here we go... chapter "n", same story. Air Madrid goes at it again. They began checking in pax with out confirmation of an available plane. Check in b
87 SKY1 : NM should be the acronym of Nunca Más (never again) Unfortunately the Spanish Civil Aviation Authority allows the current status quo with Air Madrid
88 Post contains images LTU932 : Why is that? Why is the Spanish CAA letting this circus continue? Can the EASA even get involved in this, given that NM is a carrier from a country i
89 SKY1 : That's my main hope. The Spanish Secretary of Transportation is not aware how this NM matter could affect her if things tends toward a worse situatio
90 Post contains images Legacy135 : That is a very good one! This is really strange. After Swissair collapsed our FOCA got really attacked, as it is also one of their duties to grant an
91 Post contains links Icaro : Just read in www.elmundo.es that Air Madrid's AOC could be revoked by the end of this month. It seems that Spanish authorities have informed NM that t
92 TACAA320 : And hundred of passengers stranded in some airports on New Year's Eve. What a dilemma.
93 SOBHI51 : Sorry but what is dick glass?
94 SOBHI51 : If pax trash the inside of a plane then more delays will occur!
95 Post contains images RICARIZA : hehehe I read that too and laugh my a55 off.. I guess he meant to say "thick",
96 Post contains links RICARIZA : Yes, I read about the suspension too: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/econo.../elpepueco/20061212elpepueco_7/Tes
97 LTU932 : You know what's the funniest part about this? It's that Carrillo is already crying about people conspiring against NM. From the El Mundo article: A ju
98 TACAA320 : I have the same question.
99 TACAA320 : Give a better service [at least on time] and will see how the black hand disappear.
100 Post contains images SKY1 : Fortunately she's is AT LEAST aware ...or maybe she reads a.net TACAA320, We all hope threads like this soon will be past. Sooner or later this decis
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