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Caribbean Aviation, Part 4...  
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6824 times:

Hello all,

Since "Caribbean Aviation, Part 3.." was getting so long I have decided to start a whole thread!  duck 

We left off talking about the potential new Bahamasair 732 replacement order and talking about Caribbean Airlines.

But feel free to add any new news or updates or just your opinion on something related to the topic  Smile

I've also found the link from another thread to why VS is ending the NAS-LGW service  Sad

http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/story...Suspends-Direct-Flights-To-Bahamas

Also whatever happened to the Haitian airline starting up with leased MD-80s?


http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6769 times:

The more things change the more they remain the same. Based on the FI article it seems as if Caribbean Airlines is going to compete with the new merged entity that would be formed from LI/8B. Now while this is good for the consumer one of the one hand it is the same consumer whose tax dollars are pumped into these carriers when they fail. I wonder if after all of this work they are going to end back at square one.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+Boeing+737-800+in+new+livery.html



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 1):
Based on the FI article it seems as if Caribbean Airlines is going to compete with the new merged entity that would be formed from LI/8B. Now while this is good for the consumer one of the one hand it is the same consumer whose tax dollars are pumped into these carriers when they fail. I wonder if after all of this work they are going to end back at square one.

I don't get this at all. I was envisioning a Caribbean Airlines jet service to major caribbean airports and international destination, while a LI/8B regional service, and hub feeder. Davies better know what he doing witht hem 737s as they are not as ecnomical as Dash 8, when in Dash 8 territory and really do serve different purposes.



There is something special about planes....
User currently onlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 846 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

that's where the Q400s will be coming in...


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User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
I don't get this at all. I was envisioning a Caribbean Airlines jet service to major caribbean airports and international destination, while a LI/8B regional service, and hub feeder. Davies better know what he doing witht hem 737s as they are not as ecnomical as Dash 8, when in Dash 8 territory and really do serve different purposes.

I hope he knows what he is doing also because from what I am seeing so far BW/Caribbean is looking more like a regional carrier. The LHR routes are already gone to BA. Although BW/Caribbean will code share I do have the feeling the the deal is lopsided with BA feeding Caribbean pax to filter through out the Caribbean. Also I read an article on the Trinidad Guardian where MR. Davies indicated if BA/BW/Caribbean were to split the LHR slots will not revert to BW/Caribbean.


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 4):
Also I read an article on the Trinidad Guardian where MR. Davies indicated if BA/BW/Caribbean were to split the LHR slots will not revert to BW/Caribbean.

You have a link for that article?

Remember this is the early stages yet. We still have no idea what the new carrier that will emerge from LI/8B would look like.


Regards



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6690 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 5):
You have a link for that article?

http://www.guardian.co.tt/bussguardian3.html

The article is located in the Business Guardian Section
Article Title - BA partnership mutually beneficial says airline by Luis Araujo


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3223 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Well, it is just 1 month left for BW now! One hopes and wonders that all will be well when the new Caribbean Airlines takes off on 1 January 2007.

It makes little sense to have Caribbean Airlines competing with any merged or coordinated LI and 8B entity - certainly the cooperation between the 2 Dash 8 operators would be providing a perfect opportunity for a suitable partner for BW to handle the inter-island routes while BW took on the longer hops such as GEO, KIN and the North American services.

As for the LHR slots, consider those gone to BA. BA has basically hedged its entire future on its LHR operations and has tried various means to obtain slots from other airlines which have decided to stop flying to LHR by whatever means. When, for example, Lithuanian decided to drop LHR some years ago a deal was struck by which that airline started flying from LGW and BA got the LHR slots. While the slots are meant to be returned to a pool to be allocated by the BAA a "sweetheart" deal may get around this. The thing is that Caribbean Airlines could have only held on to the slots were BA to have flown its POS and BGI services from LHR but, of course, BA has done its Carib runs from LGW for more than 20 years. BA would use the slots for routes it considers more profitable and as such Caribbean Airlines would have to fly from LGW should it decide to resume its own metal services from London in the future.

TrinToCan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9564 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 7):
It makes little sense to have Caribbean Airlines competing with any merged or coordinated LI and 8B entity - certainly the cooperation between the 2 Dash 8 operators would be providing a perfect opportunity for a suitable partner for BW to handle the inter-island routes while BW took on the longer hops such as GEO, KIN and the North American services.

Agreed. I don't understand how these (or any other Caribbean airline) have the same mentality of competing against each other in such a small market. Look at most of the worldwide airlines, they all have created alliances that span the globe. Why? Because they need to in order to remain in the markets. Why would Caribbean Airlines compete against LIAT/Caribbean Star while these airlines can feed each other very well in improve their profitability.

As I've also said numerous times, we need consolidation in the Caribbean because operating individually will only hurt these airlines instead of improving the air connections. Joining forces is the best way to stay competitive against airlines like AA, US and DL who are invading the Caribbean. As much as I like AA, US, DL or any other airline, I also think that Caribbean airlines should start looking at joining forces before we read about yet another sad bankrupcy of a Caribbean airline because they wanted to compete on their own instead of co-operating (creating "economies of scale" here in the Caribbean).

A388


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz...TO_US_____MILLION_COST_SAVINGS.asp

The above link is an article about JM efforts to save US 100M. The switch from the Airbuses to 757s and 737s is estimated to take two years and see the airline saving up to US 45M.

Also JM CEO has called the airline's pilots irresponsible about the safety concerns they raised about the acquisition of the 733s. He also seemed to have blames the Butch led management team for some of the current problems.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magaz..._AIR_J_PILOTS_AS_IRRESPONSIBLE.asp



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6621 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 9):
Also JM CEO has called the airline's pilots irresponsible about the safety concerns they raised about the acquisition of the 733s. He also seemed to have blames the Butch led management team for some of the current problems.

Interesting plans they have. I am still wondering whats to take place with the widebody fleet. Initial rumours stated T7s, I later heard 767s, and when and if sourced. In light of the fact that the narrowbody fleet is looking at cost effective solutioin, I see the 767s replacing the A340.

This article should also be posted in the Air Jamaica thread that was started discussing precisly all this.



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

I think the next couple of weeks should be interesting especailly down in the south east.

'CA' may have to go back to the drawing board with its regional ambitions. Reasons
1) LI/8B this merged carrier will have LI brand loyalty something that is not to be estimated, it will have a better knowledge of the market than BW and more experience.

2) This is perhaps more important. The shareholder governments of LI are not going to sit idily by and allow the current market conditions to return. They may also be some political fall out if 'CA' does launch a regional arm as it was the POS government that called off the BW/LI merger talks.



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6547 times:

Quoting Inbound (Reply 3):
that's where the Q400s will be coming in...

Actually to this date I'm surprised that the Q400 has no orders from the Caribbean. The Q400's performance is ideal for the Caribbean.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 9):
Also JM CEO has called the airline's pilots irresponsible about the safety concerns they raised about the acquisition of the 733s. He also seemed to have blames the Butch led management team for some of the current problems

Gotta love tha Caribbean  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Captaink (Reply 10):
Interesting plans they have. I am still wondering whats to take place with the widebody fleet. Initial rumours stated T7s, I later heard 767s, and when and if sourced. In light of the fact that the narrowbody fleet is looking at cost effective solution, I see the 767s replacing the A340.

767s, from where?
IMO they should pick up some of U2's 733 if any are left, and for 767s they could get some of KLM's or EVA Air's since those airlines are withdrawing them.



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 12):

Good ideas. I guess it is a waiting game for Caribbean Airlines though. The CEO did say that within a few months Caribbean Airlines can be a bigger airline that the current BWIA. Lets see.

Why was the Caribbean Airlines photo removed from the database?



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 12):
Actually to this date I'm surprised that the Q400 has no orders from the Caribbean. The Q400's performance is ideal for the Caribbean.

I think that LI did not have enough money to get them. I think they will be gracing the skies soon. For LI the would be good for their hub to hub flights between ANU BGI and POS. They will also be popular on the BGI GEO runs.

Beweel15

You have support in your cause for bringing back the pan on the plane.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,48571.html

[Edited 2006-12-02 21:46:53]


Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 14):
You have support in your cause for bringing back the pan on the plane.

I think they spoke up a bit too late.



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Captaink

I agree but I think the call for keeping the pan in the logo is a waste of time. Yes the current BW livery is unique but many people even on this forum do not have a clue of what the livery is about.

I think that steel pan music can be brought into the Caribbean Airlines brand without it being in the livery. The jingle in their ads can feature pan music and if they do this it would be nice if it is done in a creative way. As I said before they can play pan music when they are boarding passengers etc. One of the audio channels can be dedicated to caribbean music and the indiegnous music of the region can be featured.

By doing things like these it is quite possible for the steel pan to beome more prominent in the Caribbean Airlines brand than it was for the BW brand.

Regards



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 16):
As I said before they can play pan music when they are boarding passengers etc.

Already done.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 16):
One of the audio channels can be dedicated to caribbean music and the indiegnous music of the region can be featured.

Also already done.

BWIA772 alot of what you said in your last post points back to the lack of advertising in BW. As I said an add coming on at 1am - 3am period is not a good time to advertise. JM as I have said has numerous add through out the day and during prime time when a lot of folks be watching TV. At the times BW's adds come across most folks are watching premium channels. Asdditionally JM has many billboard adds across the city.

IF BW had a revamped marketing department their foutunes might not have been as bad. I had made a post on another topic about BA and VS using the UK Flags on the Tails of their aircraft and you can see where I was coming from.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3223 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6444 times:

Captaink, one wonders whether the photo was requested to be removed by the photographer. In that sort of case the photo-moderators have no choice but to do so.

On the other major issue, that of advertising of the new Caribbean Airlines, promotion is very necessary to enable the airline to gain market share and secure its future. The bad reputation of BW (especially if one visits websites like Airline Quality) meant that keeping the name would have been seriously injurious in the long run.

Dash 8 Q400s are quite possible once LI and 8B join forces as they could beef up capacity on the mjor routes in the region and enhance consolidation of the airlines' networks.

TrinToCan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6437 times:

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 17):
Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 16):
As I said before they can play pan music when they are boarding passengers etc.

Already done.

I do not know when last you travelled BW but at least for the past 6 years I have not got on one BW flight and hear pan music playing as we boarded the aircraft.

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 17):
IF BW had a revamped marketing department their foutunes might not have been as bad.

Marketing does not exist in a vaccum it is dependent on other functions with in the organisation to be successful. It is ok for a company to have a great marketing department that comes up with a successful marketing campaign that increases business. However if you have crappy customer service and/or product the effectiveness of the marketing campaign would have been negated.

Marketing is basically about getting the customer into the door once they come through the door you have to get them to buy something and provide such a good product and or service that they would want to come back.
BW has not been able to do these 3 things effectively. It has not been able to them for a while.



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6395 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 19):
do not know when last you travelled BW but at least for the past 6 years I have not got on one BW flight and hear pan music playing as we boarded the aircraft.

Well I have been on the planes to speak to some of my friends who work the flights when the aircraft is at JFK and there was a varity of calypso, soca and pan music being played. Then again it might have been so low that when everyone is onboard and chatting it was drowned out. And believe me it happens on other aircraft I have been on.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 19):
Marketing does not exist in a vaccum it is dependent on other functions with in the organisation to be successful.

True it does not exist in a vacucum but for many years it was indicated to the various managements that that was an area that needed to be improved. To break it down BW's inflight, although not the best, could hold its own against many carriers. Frontline staff major changes were need there cause there was a great dont care attitude amoung many of the staff that reflected towards the customers. Now dont get me wrong you did have those that went above and beyond to put the customer first but they were few and far between at BW. Now from what currently see at JFK BW staff, although contracted, have the worst uniforms. When next to VS, who's staff is also contracted, it is like night and day when the two carriers are checking in next to each other.


User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

This is off-topic, but what's this about a terror threat on BWIA in Guyana?

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,48601.html



God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

Things like uniforms and liveries are necessary but mean nothing when the service you provide is crap. BW has a very nice livery but a nice livery does not make a good airline. Nice uniforms will not detract the customer from bad service provided. Ugly uniforms will not stop a customer from returning the service provided is good.


Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9564 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 22):
Things like uniforms and liveries are necessary but mean nothing when the service you provide is crap. BW has a very nice livery but a nice livery does not make a good airline. Nice uniforms will not detract the customer from bad service provided. Ugly uniforms will not stop a customer from returning the service provided is good.

 checkmark  You are absolutely right  Smile

P.S. I have my first Caribbean Star Airlines photo in the screening qeue. It is the first time I have seen this airline and I like the livery. At last I feel like CUR is finally getting more Caribbean connections. It may sound weird but I never got the same Caribbean feeling here in CUR as I did in SXM when looking at all the Caribbean airlines flying to SXM the entire day. It gives you a nicer feeling when your island is connected to the other islands in my opinion. With Caribbean Star Airlines now flying to/from CUR it gives us here a chance to experience the other Caribbean islands as well. CUR is very different than the Leeward Islands as we have more Spanish/South American influences because of Venezuela, Colombia and the Dominican Republic.

Welcome to CUR Caribbean Star Airlines!!!!  bouncy 

A388 Big grin


User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6286 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 12):
Actually to this date I'm surprised that the Q400 has no orders from the Caribbean. The Q400's performance is ideal for the Caribbean.

In some ways, yes. But in others, no. Take the Bahamas for example. At first glance, the Dash 8 seems ideal for operations there. But after talking with a Bahamasair pilot about it (a while ago now), he mentioned that even the -300s can be an economic handful. Only seasonally are their flights full - and only to a handful of UP's destinations. Nassau - Mayaguana, for instance, or Inagua, or Crooked Island/Acklins, almost never sees profit-making loads. It's just too big an aircraft for those airports they serve; not to mention that costs of operating aircraft in countries like the Bahamas are much higher than operating the same aircraft in the US or Canada.

This is why airlines like Sky Unlimited, Southern Air Charter, and Western Air operate contracts for Bahamasair for reduced capacity. Recently, UP reinstated service to San Andros and Andros Town - with 9 customers onboard a Dash (Western Air already takes care of much of the market). With loads like that, I can't forsee UP operating Q400s anytime soon. With the exception of Freeport, Eleuthera, Abaco, and Central Florida, Bahamasair doesn't have much more need for 50+ seaters.



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25 Post contains images MD90fan : True, point taken. I remember a few years back when UP was outsourcing alot of the smaller destinations to Western/Andros Air. UP shouldn't have to s
26 NASBWI : What other islands? UP already serves most (if not all) the islands that have runways capable of handling a Dash. If anything at all, the Q400 could
27 Post contains links TransIsland : I'm not getting into the Q400 debate again, I gave my $0.02 in thread #3. Anyway, this is in the Bahama Journal, title: "Bahamasair Losses Mount" http
28 Post contains images 2travel2know : On a sad note, CM long awaited POS service, which was due to start Jul 06 and then postponed for Dec 15, seem to be delayed yet another time. CM reser
29 Post contains images Captaink : There goes my MEX/PTY/POS/GND going home idea. In other news, last night Barbados witnessed the arrival of the first A340-600 to their soil. GVYOU Vi
30 Post contains images MD90fan : Not domestic destinations NASBWI, but rather increase frequencies to T&C, HAV,SDQ, Jamaica. They could use the surplus planes to add more destination
31 PanAmOldDC8 : Latest out of BGI is that the merged Caribbean Star and LIAT will start flights BGI/JFK shortly. That is according to the Minister of Tourism there. I
32 2travel2know : That would have been great as far as you don't mind overnight @ POS before and after your GND flight. Maybe on the westbound, if there's a very early
33 Captaink : Overnight in POS is no problem, I would as if I am home already being in Trinidad. But depends on the timing of the flights, there are lots of flight
34 Post contains links BWIA 772 : PanAmOldDC8 The Tourism Minister noted that the new carrier should be flying by the end of this year and it was a possibility that it could start flyi
35 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Below is a link to article in which BWIA chairman defends sale of LHR slots after the opposition member of parliament in POS objected to the sale. Ple
36 Post contains images Captaink : Bachanal in Trinidad boy.. The LHR slots were valuable, but I guess they didn't quite fit into the Caribbean Airlines plan for the time being. If the
37 PanAmOldDC8 : I have just checked the AC website and they have one flight day to BGI except Sat and Sun when they have 2 using the 767 and the 319 on weekends. AC
38 Inbound : a CRJ will never succeed on a BGI-JFK run. I'm unfamiliar with Gatwick, is it connected to the underground like LHR is?
39 BWIA 772 : LOL @ CRJ rumor. If they said that they would be getting some EJs or some 733 it would give the rumor some credence.
40 Trintocan : Inbound, LGW is not connected to the Tube as it is far outside of central London (29 miles or about 44 km away to the South - South London is in any c
41 Captaink : And I guess LHR is also much better for connections. Are BW passengers usually O&D or do they carry a lot of connecting passengers? From checking peo
42 Post contains images MD90fan : Ditto, I am waiting for the media to jump all over that From the Bahamasair Unfortunately UP will post an 18 million dollar loss this year, blaming m
43 Post contains links Beeweel15 : Just as I expected. Now how come BA can make money by adding flights and BW could not. Mind you they are not just extending current flights to Trinid
44 PanAmOldDC8 : The problem with BWIA was they were carrying a lot of non paying pax, like Gov't Ministers etc. Flew them once and the whole F class was Politicans
45 TransIsland : Where did you find the bit about the 735/736? Especially the 736 would be a good plane for UP, not as good a fit as the A318, IMHO, but better than w
46 Post contains links and images MD90fan : 736/736 link Well actually anything would be better than the 732s right now. Unfortunately new aircrafts are not the key to better loads IMO. Yeah, U
47 Captaink : There is one positive note, Bahamians fly their airline. UP really needs to capitalize on that and prove them a good service. Even though the Bahamas
48 Beeweel15 : Maybe that particular flight you was on there were people going to convention or something in Europe or else where. BW picked up most pax from other
49 A388 : So BW was more reliant on Caribbean nationals on the London route instead of other connecting passengers from LHR? I have a feeling this is the case
50 A388 : And about 8B and LI wanting to start flights BGI-JFK with a CRJ, what a joke. I assume it is a typing error. The CRJ doesn't even have the range to fl
51 TransIsland : That union president knows less about aviation than the average a.netter... Now I'm beginning to understand some of my UP experiences. Quote Well, on
52 Trintocan : Insofar as BW at LHR was concerned, the market was principally O&D with respect to Caribbean nationals resident in the UK as well as some tourists who
53 A388 : Thanks for your additional information Trintocan. How important are these transit passengers from POS to India (or DUB) for BW? Is it worth flying fr
54 BWIA 772 : Beeweel15 Stupse @ BW being ripped off. Was BW selling to the LHR slots alone? No, they were part of a package deal which included the interested airl
55 Post contains links and images Beeweel15 : Can you explain then how SNBrussels got more money for their slots from BA and entered a code share with BA back in 2002 also run by Mr. Davies at th
56 BWIA 772 : I know the history of BA and its Trinidad ops. I also know the history of BA and it ops in BGI.
57 A388 : Let's calm down here. Beewee15 apparently can't let go of the BW Caribbean Airlines bashing for his personal reasons. Agreed. As you state yourself, B
58 PanAmOldDC8 : Iwas returning To Canada and had flown F class to BGI and was told the F class was booked solid BGI/YYZ. When I got on board I met a chap I knew from
59 Beeweel15 : Well guys I am not BW/Caribbean bashing. And yes I know in three weeks BW will be no more. But alot of things stink with the way this went down with t
60 A388 : I respect your opinion Beewee15 but I just don't understand why you keep bringing up the same BW/Caribbean Airlines bashing. Now you repeat the "simil
61 Post contains images BWIA 772 : A388 excellent post Caribbean Airlines has full page ads in papers in BGI. I assume that the same is going on POS and other destinations. Here is an a
62 Post contains images A388 : Thank you for your comments BWIA 772. I like the ad too of Caribbean Airlines. At first it looked odd to see a hummingbird scuba diving but the idea i
63 Captaink : Caribbean Airlines has a very light, modern & refreshing logo and colour scheme. Very pleasant to look at.
64 Post contains images A388 : Correct and thanks for your comments on my aircraft photos Captaink Look out for more A388
65 Beeweel15 : Ok great in the Caribbean I guess the tourists are coming from there to spend the warm winter weekends on the beach. I have not seen any here in NYC
66 Post contains links and images A388 : I did read about your example of VS and BA both using the UK flag. In this I can imagine your point as it shows more close similarities with each oth
67 Post contains images BWIA 772 : I assume that you are talking about American Airlines. If that is case They both have eagles on their tails both are stylised but AA is more stylised
68 Post contains images A388 : Hi BWIA 772, I know your point with the above airlines, but even so these airlines are different in that AA features the eagle itself while AM featur
69 Post contains links and images Beeweel15 : Please note that on Frontier the eagle is not their primary logo the word FRONTIER. The animals, which are secondary, are there to highlight the wild
70 PanAmOldDC8 : I wonder if BWIA bought the name Caribbean Airways from Barbados. As it was registered to Barbados and used by Laker Airlines back in the 70'S, with f
71 A388 : In the same way the hummingbird of Caribbean Airlines is part of the wildlife of Trinidad, whether it is their primary logo or not. What if people st
72 Beeweel15 : Then you should have the Scarlet Ibis, Cocorico, Bird of Paradise and other wild life of Trinidad and the Caribbean on the tail then. And words Carib
73 Post contains links and images Captaink : Check out this thread guys... http://www.caribbeanalpa.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=864 Seems like a lot of people upset. BTW, I have been looking at th
74 Beeweel15 : Captaink, Great link glad to see other folks very concerned by what is going on. This BW/Caribbean deal stinks. I mean share holders are being left o
75 PanAmOldDC8 : No one has answered my question
76 Post contains links Captaink : In other Caribbean News, JM introduces new Business Class. Everyone around the world seem to be revamping their premium product, good to see caribbean
77 Post contains links 2travel2know : JM to merge with Caribbean Airways? That's what they're saying on Jamaica. http://www.positivetourism.com/index...tent&task=view&id=900&pop=1&page=0 I
78 Captaink : The rumour has been going around about this JM/Caribbean Airlines merger indeed. It will make sense, but I don't see it happening.
79 Beeweel15 : I hope they did cause who ever leagally owns that name can protest the use of it by someone else. There are folks on here that will think because air
80 A388 : Usage of the hummingbird is okay. Caribbean Airways and Caribbean Airlines are two different names as the words themselves state. ALM and Hawaiian Ai
81 BWIA 772 : The new airline is called Caribbean Airlines. The company is listed as Caribbean Airlines Limited (CAL). Caribbean Airways as you know is still opera
82 Post contains links and images Captaink : Caribbean Airlines... Caribbean Airways.. Two very different names. I don't think Caribbean Airlines is infringing on the anybody's rights. Except of
83 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Here is a link to a pic of the new LI/8b livery http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho..._search.php?id=00912747&size=large
84 Post contains links Captaink : Is that what it really is? Cause a while a friend of mine and I was talking about this and we just can't figure it out. Are merger talks so far along
85 Post contains links and images A388 : Wow nice to see new colors in the Caribbean but I'm not that impressed yet with the merged colors of 8B/LI. What is the tail logo suppose to represent
86 BWIA 772 : No captain in that pic you see V2 LGM the aircraft in what I am assuming is the livery of the new airline the next aircraft is painted in the 20/20 li
87 A388 : So this isn't the new merged livery of 8B/LI but rather a new 20/20 special livery? A388
88 Captaink : Ah ok. Thanks for clearing that up BWIA772. Anything new on the progress of the deal between LI/8B? Nice, a MD80 would look good in that scheme. Woul
89 Post contains links and images Beeweel15 : View Large View MediumPhoto © JetPix This airline was based in Jamaica with bases in Miami and Kingston and flew that route. The carrier flew fr
90 A388 : If the hummingbird is a symbol in Trinidad because it is the country with the most species of hummingbirds around the world, who is JM or any other co
91 Jm017 : It's part of Jamaica too....But JM would NOT have a case if they tried to block Caribbean Airlines. They cannot prevent Caribbean Airlines from using
92 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Honestly I am tired of your wild scenarios that you use to highlight all of the problems that you have with Caribbean Airlines. One would assume that
93 Post contains links and images MD90fan : While looking around Cayman Airways website I've noticed that they have increased frequencies on several routes BOS- 1 flight a week (seasonal) FLL-3
94 Beeweel15 : Well believe it or not these wild scenatios happen in the real world. The Gulf Air example I gave did indeed happen as i said I worked at JFK Airport
95 A388 : You said it right Jm017, JM (or any other company for that matter) does not have a case here against Caribbean Airlines. Agreed. I didn't reply as it
96 Captaink : Make sure that your camera is ready as well. You take very nice pictures, and the ocean in the background just looks splendid. Are you on the airport
97 Post contains images A388 : Hey Captaink, how's life? I see you on msn and still we chat here on the forum, haha. Weird isn't it haha. Anyway, to get back on topic, thanks for y
98 Beeweel15 : A388 Yes we all have our "opinions". What I spoke of was from "experience" not an opinion. All I was bringing up was the some of the legal ramificati
99 Post contains images BWIA 772 : Here we go again... Moving on I just booked my last flight on BW for next thursday I am kinda upset as I did not get on the BW901 oh well. But I thin
100 Post contains images Captaink : Trip report, and video record the takeoff from BGI and the landing in POS. Demanding, am I not? I was suppose to be in the caribbean area within the
101 Inbound : careful, these days you can be on a B737 and still be on the 900, hehe.
102 BWIA 772 : Inbound I assume that you are saying that 739s could be on their way??
103 Beeweel15 : Going where again. I am not going over things again but if I do see something that is incorrect or inaccurate I will point it out. Trust me when some
104 WestIndian425 : So the countdown is now 17 days. How's BW doing with their flights these days?
105 Captaink : It would be awesome to be out on the ramp at JFK, and don't talk about jumpseating on an MD11, out of this world. In any event, I will try on the 23r
106 Post contains images BWIA 772 : I think he is on vacation.... The announced the JM BGI JFK direct flights in the news papers in BGI today. I am off to school another exam sigh Anyway
107 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Hi guys here is a Tabex update. Caribbean Airlines will continue to same services that BW does for a 4 month period until April 30th. The government i
108 Post contains images Viasa : " target=_blank>http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho...large " target=_blank>http://myaviation.net/?pid=00912738 The new colors are very "hot"... I li
109 AA1818 : Hey guys!! Glad to know I'm missed when not floating around these forums- basically on holiday and accidentally drenched my laptop in water- as such I
110 BWIA 772 : Good one
111 Post contains images MD90fan : Hello everybody, I am finally in the Bahamas again I have some updates: -UP to POS as of 2/07 -UP has restarted services to Andros -UP to KIN as of 12
112 Beeweel15 : I have been reading a lot of press here in the US about the shut down of BW the take over of Caribbean but 90% says the JM will be taking over routes
113 AA1818 : I believe Davies hopes it will be temporary- but due to a lack of a/c they cannot perform the routes. Perhaps nothing has been said due to the airlin
114 Post contains links and images BWIA 772 : Hi guys I am here studying for my last exam so I am just taking a break and checking airliners.net (you know how it is with us addicts we always need
115 2travel2know : Now with all the times CM has postponed their POS service,I wouldn't hold my breath for them; neither I would expect MX and LA overthere. BA, DL mayb
116 AA1818 : Hey, I just posted asking u about CM in the Central American Thread!! MX and LA were reported in a very reputable business newpaper sometime over the
117 BWIA 772 : Suriname Airways Did you check see the article in the express about the LHR slots from Mr.Smith?? So how many of you collect models? I have from BW 73
118 PanAmOldDC8 : Where is it?
119 AA1818 : I've only got BWIA 737, A340 in the new colours...Was going to start collecting but didn't have anough shelf space, between British Soldiers, US State
120 2travel2know : Why are those LHR slots so important for JM and BW? Is it something of prestige that they've to fly to LHR? Lets face it, the bulk of the traffic betw
121 AA1818 : Totally agreed- LHR is prestige. for BW the route at best broke even hence the reason it has been axed... The outcry now though is over the price at
122 Beeweel15 : Where to Start. BWIA 3 - L1011-500 - two desk top 1/200 and one mini 1/500 2 - MD80 - one desk top 1/100 one mini 1/500 1 - MD11 - desk top 1/100 ( A
123 ERJ170 : Is this sufficient? It just seems kinda weird to me to have weekly flights to major destinations. How do they make it? Shouldn't it at least be daily
124 BWIA 772 : I have ran out of shelf space. But I am still going to enlarge my collection. When I leave to go and study my BW models will becoming with me though.
125 Jmbweeboy : Being that we are all on subject of models, anyone familiar with website that sells BW models in fairly large scale ? Would love to get one of TJN (A3
126 Beeweel15 : Not for prestige, well may be for JM and BW, but you have more international connections out of LHR than LGW. LGW is not slot controlled like LHR. BW
127 Post contains images A388 : WOW so many interesting replies here! I've been away too long I see! Reason for that was my weekend aircraft photography trip to Aruba this past weeke
128 Post contains images A388 : Correction, Jetblue introduced a second flight on weekends and may increase this to twice daily if the second flight proves succesful. I guess I am s
129 BWIA 772 : BW never exploited this. BA is not simply extending their current flights to BGI. Outside of winter BGI has a daily LGW service. After the code share
130 MD90fan : Yep, I'll post a picture of the ad I found. Im assuming this will be a 732 service. Also A388, did AA use to run A306s on SJU-SXM?
131 AA1818 : Bweel15- I see what your saying, but I don't buy it. If the POS route was so profitable, BA would have been in there making money years ago, running
132 2travel2know : Just to get that BW slot in LHR. If it was for AA, they would have offered a SJU-LGW years ago with feeds from their American Eagle Island passengers
133 Post contains images Captaink : One day absent and I miss all this. Seems like POS/London wasn't profitable indeed. BA is doing the same basic routing as BW, ie through BGI, and many
134 A388 : Hey MD90fan what's up. I don't know if AA used the AB6 on the SJU-SXM but I don't think so, too big if you'd ask me. Even the 757 might be too big fo
135 BWIA 772 : Hi guys Now I do not know if i will get on airliners before christmas. So Merry Christmas. Do not worry I have cleared the camera and checked the batt
136 Beeweel15 : Did you take DL to get from Mexico to NYC. I will be at JFK this weekend maybe we can meet.
137 Post contains images Captaink : SUre it is not JM? Cause JM is using a the 757s this winter again. I guess everyone is into 757s especially that of North American. Yeah i am gonna g
138 Post contains images MD90fan : Well...UP went on strike yesterday and-ended yesterday too. This would have been bad because they are my booked carrier to Nassau Cheers, Devan
139 A388 : To all interested, Insel Air has received their first MD83 in all-white still but I was told the aircraft will be repainted here in CUR very soon, may
140 Trintocan : Well, Merry Christmas to all of my Caribbean brethren. BW did take advantage of the connection opportunities at LHR. It co-operates with AI to offer f
141 BigMac : Hey everyone, anyone aware that there was a "minor" problem with BW 484 from POS to MIA on the 21st of December? I heard from someone on that flight t
142 Post contains images A388 : Hey Trintocan & everybody else here. Merry Christmas and enjoy the holidays! Season's greetings from Curacao, A388
143 Viasa : N190AN is now at AEP and belong now to Austral (new reg unknown yet). Insel Air has one MD-83, PJ-MDA.
144 Beeweel15 : Merry Christmas Everyone from JFK Airport NYC. Just a few days left for the Last Flight OUT on BW.
145 WestIndian425 : Merry Christmas to all! We're winding down on the final days of my favorite airline. Hope we get some good pics from someone out there.
146 A388 : Hi Viasa, thanks for the clarification. A friend of mine already told me about N190AN going to Argentina. I am waiting on Insel Air to paint their MD
147 AA1818 : Merry Christmas!! Hope to see many more wonderful threads such as this one in the New Year!!!! Bye bye BWIA, Welcome to Trinidad and Tobago, CARIBBEAN
148 Post contains images MD90fan : Merry Christmas to all    Nassau   , US has a ton of flights here. Ok, but I'm pretty sure they sent A300s to one of the Dutch Antilles down there
149 Trintocan : MD90Fan, MBJ is in Jamaica, not the Dominican Republic. Are you thinking about SDQ? TrinToCan.
150 Post contains images Captaink : Feliz Navidad a todos.... Where BWIA772, you ready for that last run on BW?
151 BWIA 772 : Hi guys I am back. Flight going in sucked coming back was excellent. It was fitting final flight on BW especially the POS BGI which was operated by 9Y
152 Post contains images A388 : Nice line up of aircraft! I got lucky to photograph AA 757 with winglets in AUA. You can see my photos on planepictures.net as well as here in the da
153 MD90fan : Nah I just forgot to put Caribbean on it, SJU got upgrades too. BTW, on the Bahamas aviation side, I've met with some of the Bahamian airline CEOs Sk
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