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Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?  
User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Recently experienced the Q300 on the AKL-NPL route in New Zealand. Given I came from Toronto, I know how long of a flight it would be. How did the Q300 come to New Zealand? Is there actually a flyable delivery route, or do they "ship" the plane by sea/air transport?

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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2366 times:
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to Oceania, they normally fly them around the "wrong way": Canada-(Greenland)-Iceland-Europe-Middle East-India-SE Asia-Indonesia-Australia-(New Zealand). Rarely they will route them via Alaska-Siberia-China instead during the summer, but i believe all the ANZ ones went via Europe.


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

No they put additional gas tanks in the cabin. This is a standard practice for all types of planes when they don't have the range. Here's one for a Hawaiian 717 for a flight from the mainland.


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User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Manu,

I also believe that in the summer of this year one flew through BHD for fuel.

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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2330 times:
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Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 2):
No they put additional gas tanks in the cabin. This is a standard practice for all types of planes when they don't have the range. Here's one for a Hawaiian 717 for a flight from the mainland.

No they do not do this to anywhere EXCEPT Hawaii. Hawaii being out of reach of any other ferry route they have no choice. It is far safer and cheaper to fly the planes the longer distance than to take days fitting, certifying and paying the extra insurance costs with adding the extra tanks.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5428 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 2):
This is a standard practice for all types of planes when they don't have the range.

For the smaller stuff, they do often go the long-way round, even if they do need extra tanks for the Iqualit-Greenland-Iceland legs.
You can go across the Bering Straits, through Russia, etc. with extra tanks if required, or via Hawaii, Guam.

For the Hawaiian B717's, there was no option except extra tanks.

Yes, the Q300s went via Europe...etc. etc. etc.

Hawaii is by no means the ONLY time aircraft are fitted with tanks for delivery. For the smaller aircraft (especially singles!), it's the only way, whichever way round you go!


Jimbo

[Edited 2006-11-30 21:35:31]


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 1):
to Oceania, they normally fly them around the "wrong way": Canada-(Greenland)-Iceland-Europe-Middle East-India-SE Asia-Indonesia-Australia-(New Zealand).

Not all the time, some NZ Q300 went to this summer via the Pacific stopping at overnighting at Grand Rapids, MI, Concord, CA and HNL along the way.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
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Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 4):
No they do not do this to anywhere EXCEPT Hawaii. Hawaii being out of reach of any other ferry route they have no choice. It is far safer and cheaper to fly the planes the longer distance than to take days fitting, certifying and paying the extra insurance costs with adding the extra tanks.

Really? Because an Air New Zealand Link Q300 with the reg C-FGAI (now ZK-NEH) passed through HNL on its way to New Zealand back in June.


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

It must really suck to be a T-prop delivery pilot. Especially the smaller planes like the Dash. Or how about the Beech1900s that have no autopilot!  Wow!

User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
It must really suck to be a T-prop delivery pilot. Especially the smaller planes like the Dash. Or how about the Beech1900s that have no autopilot!

Or a Cessna  Wink


User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
It must really suck to be a T-prop delivery pilot. Especially the smaller planes like the Dash. Or how about the Beech1900s that have no autopilot!

I disagree, what an experience to fly a Q300 (fairly advanced prop) so far across the world.


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting Manu (Reply 10):
what an experience to fly a Q300

Yea if I was going to deliver something that goes 300kts half way around the world it should have at least an auto pilot.


User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1029 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Here's a Q400 that went the other way about a month ago. Note the duration; 6 hours 43 minutes, not bad.

T prop.


User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

I've seen a handful of Dash-8's stopping in FAI on their way to Asia and the Pacific. The first one I saw was in full Qantas livery and confused the heck out of me. So they aren't always sent the long way around through Europe, sometimes they go via Alaska, Russia, and so on.


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User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

IIRC all Sunstate's (Qantaslink) Q300's went to Australia via Honolulu and Majuro with ferry tanks although their Q400's went via Alaska, Siberia and Japan.



Jason



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User currently offlineAbleToFly From Denmark, joined Nov 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

Quite many Dehavilland/Bombardier aircrafts make a fuelstop at BGGH/GOH i Greenland on their to the rest of the globe. I remember many Dash 8's, PC-12's, Piaggio's and so on. Nice change from the Daily Dash 7's, S-61's, King Air B200 and Twin Otter at GOH.  Smile

User currently offlineSpruit From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting Manu (Reply 10):
I disagree, what an experience to fly a Q300 (fairly advanced prop) so far across the world.

Absolutely right, I'd much rather do this type of flying than hand fly for 5 minutes and then switch the computers on!

Delivering a Small to Medium T-Prop across vast distances would be a fantastic challenge and great flying!

Spru!



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Quoting Spruit (Reply 16):
Delivering a Small to Medium T-Prop across vast distances would be a fantastic challenge and great flying!


This would a great way for you to get some hours on the clock too!



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