Manu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 402 posts, RR: 8 Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
Recently experienced the Q300 on the AKL-NPL route in New Zealand. Given I came from Toronto, I know how long of a flight it would be. How did the Q300 come to New Zealand? Is there actually a flyable delivery route, or do they "ship" the plane by sea/air transport?
NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2804 posts, RR: 41 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
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to Oceania, they normally fly them around the "wrong way": Canada-(Greenland)-Iceland-Europe-Middle East-India-SE Asia-Indonesia-Australia-(New Zealand). Rarely they will route them via Alaska-Siberia-China instead during the summer, but i believe all the ANZ ones went via Europe.
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AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1832 times:
No they put additional gas tanks in the cabin. This is a standard practice for all types of planes when they don't have the range. Here's one for a Hawaiian 717 for a flight from the mainland.
NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2804 posts, RR: 41 Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1815 times:
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Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 2): No they put additional gas tanks in the cabin. This is a standard practice for all types of planes when they don't have the range. Here's one for a Hawaiian 717 for a flight from the mainland.
No they do not do this to anywhere EXCEPT Hawaii. Hawaii being out of reach of any other ferry route they have no choice. It is far safer and cheaper to fly the planes the longer distance than to take days fitting, certifying and paying the extra insurance costs with adding the extra tanks.
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Bond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 2): This is a standard practice for all types of planes when they don't have the range.
For the smaller stuff, they do often go the long-way round, even if they do need extra tanks for the Iqualit-Greenland-Iceland legs.
You can go across the Bering Straits, through Russia, etc. with extra tanks if required, or via Hawaii, Guam.
For the Hawaiian B717's, there was no option except extra tanks.
Yes, the Q300s went via Europe...etc. etc. etc.
Hawaii is by no means the ONLY time aircraft are fitted with tanks for delivery. For the smaller aircraft (especially singles!), it's the only way, whichever way round you go!
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[Edited 2006-11-30 21:35:31]
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AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1755 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 1): to Oceania, they normally fly them around the "wrong way": Canada-(Greenland)-Iceland-Europe-Middle East-India-SE Asia-Indonesia-Australia-(New Zealand).
Not all the time, some NZ Q300 went to this summer via the Pacific stopping at overnighting at Grand Rapids, MI, Concord, CA and HNL along the way.
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3492 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1740 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 4): No they do not do this to anywhere EXCEPT Hawaii. Hawaii being out of reach of any other ferry route they have no choice. It is far safer and cheaper to fly the planes the longer distance than to take days fitting, certifying and paying the extra insurance costs with adding the extra tanks.
Really? Because an Air New Zealand Link Q300 with the reg C-FGAI (now ZK-NEH) passed through HNL on its way to New Zealand back in June.
AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1597 times:
It must really suck to be a T-prop delivery pilot. Especially the smaller planes like the Dash. Or how about the Beech1900s that have no autopilot!
Graphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1587 times:
Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8): It must really suck to be a T-prop delivery pilot. Especially the smaller planes like the Dash. Or how about the Beech1900s that have no autopilot!
Manu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 402 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8): It must really suck to be a T-prop delivery pilot. Especially the smaller planes like the Dash. Or how about the Beech1900s that have no autopilot!
I disagree, what an experience to fly a Q300 (fairly advanced prop) so far across the world.
AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1497 times:
Quoting Manu (Reply 10): what an experience to fly a Q300
Yea if I was going to deliver something that goes 300kts half way around the world it should have at least an auto pilot.
FlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1491 times:
I've seen a handful of Dash-8's stopping in FAI on their way to Asia and the Pacific. The first one I saw was in full Qantas livery and confused the heck out of me. So they aren't always sent the long way around through Europe, sometimes they go via Alaska, Russia, and so on.
Vhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1381 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1308 times:
IIRC all Sunstate's (Qantaslink) Q300's went to Australia via Honolulu and Majuro with ferry tanks although their Q400's went via Alaska, Siberia and Japan.
Jason
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AbleToFly From Denmark, joined Nov 2006, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1267 times:
Quite many Dehavilland/Bombardier aircrafts make a fuelstop at BGGH/GOH i Greenland on their to the rest of the globe. I remember many Dash 8's, PC-12's, Piaggio's and so on. Nice change from the Daily Dash 7's, S-61's, King Air B200 and Twin Otter at GOH.
Yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5153 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1144 times:
Quoting Spruit (Reply 16): Delivering a Small to Medium T-Prop across vast distances would be a fantastic challenge and great flying!
This would a great way for you to get some hours on the clock too!
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