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U.S. Coast-to-Coast Using Only Props: Possible?  
User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Before I started to do the research myself, it occurred to me that someone in the Forum might already have done it.

So here is the question: Is it possible to cross the USA on scheduled air services entirely by propeller-driven aircraft? It doesn't matter how many connections there are (or what it costs...), only whether it' s still possible to do it at all.

I and some crazy friends are thinking of trying to make the trip, if we can. I've had a look at the list of services currently subsidized under the Essential Air Services program, which offers some fairly good pointers, since most of those are operated by B-1900s, Saab 340s, etc. Clearly, it would have to involve quite a few large hubs and different airlines.

Anyone able to help? If I manage to work it out myself, I promise to post the routings!

Thank you.


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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

prolly belongs in civ av. Anyway, there are pletny of ways, here's a sample:


SEA-BIL Q400 Horizon
BIL-SHR-DEN B1900 Big Sky
DEN-PIR B1900 Great Lakes
PIR-MSP-ATW-DTW-ITH SAAB 340 Mesaba
ITH-PHL DHC-8-100 Piedmont

If you're looking to maximize types flown you could throw on a EMB-120 between SEA and PDX. If you wan to add the ATR you'd have to find a southern route



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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3992 times:

This one should cover all types in use*

SEA-SUN Horizon Q400
SUN-SLC-CPR-DEN Sky West EMB 120
DEN-PIR B1900 Great Lakes
PIR-MSP-ATW-DTW-TRI SAAB 340 Mesaba
TRI-ATL-AUG ASA ATR 72
AUG-CLT-HHH Piedmont DHC-8-100 and -300

you could add an OTH-SEA on if you count the DHC-8-200 as diffrent than the -100, but then you'd need to go and break dowen the SAABs by subtype

*Haven't seen a junkstream since last year, and I think Big Sky was the last user of the Metro..... any other types I'm missing?



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3956 times:

Cool thread! I never thought of this but it is pretty cool idea! I miss many of the aforementioned planes/airports/airlines/US states in my flight logbook, and a friend and me are still searching for a reason to fly to the USA next summer. Now we should combine this flight schedule with the opportunity to see some NFL football games live in the stadium... and we're off! Big grin

Again, really cool idea, thanks for posting!

Patrick


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3859 times:

If you want to start out in So Cal, then I would recommend using the Dash-8 out of Palomar Airport 35 miles north of San Diego (CLD).

For example...

CLD-PHX HP/US DH8
PHX-DRO HP/US DH8
DRO-DEN UA Exp DH2...

Then catch up with the routing out of DEN thru PIR and so forth.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3859 times:

The last Jetstreams in the US are flying for RegionsAir and Trans States on routes out of STL.


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
NFL football games live in the stadium

Football? Ugh.... if you're coming to the States, at least go to some baseball games... and hockey, though Canadia might claim that sport more readily.

As far as the subject goes, dude, come to Alaska! You can fly Beech 1900C's, Cessna 208's, Fairchild Metroliers, Saab 340's, TWIN OTTERS, King Airs, and Dash 8's all day long ALL OVER THIS freakin' huge state/nation. All in SCHEDULED service!!! Then land at Anchorage amid two dozen heavies.

And, the scenery is absolutely awesome.


User currently offlinePtugarin From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

I know you are looking for scheduled service but depending on how many friends are going it may be cheaper to charter a turboprop  Smile

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

If you go east / west and end up in SEA, get QX over to YYJ on a Dash 8 Q200 then fly across here to YVR on a Pacific Coastal (8P) Shorts 360. While you're here, take a Convair 580 (if you come in the summer) on a fishing charter up to Massett / Skidegate, come back on a Dash 7, take a Beaver & Otter floatplane to Nanaimo and back while you're about it - actually, you may be able to go back across Canada all on QK Dash 8's?? Havent time to check - YVR-YLW-YYC-YQR-YWG-YYZ-YOW-YUL. there are probably more exciting and longer ways too involving the numerous King Air & 1900 operators.


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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 5):
The last Jetstreams in the US are flying for RegionsAir and Trans States on routes out of STL.

I couldn't find and TSA J41 flights, pretty sure they're done with 'em. I had forgetten RegionsAir, however, I'm not able to work it into the itinerary without serious (and silly) backtracking. Got me thinking though, does anyone operate props into ORD anymore?



When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 9):
I couldn't find and TSA J41 flights, pretty sure they're done with 'em.

You're right, my bad.



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Wow! Thanks for all this great help! We could probably get our own society going...  Smile

All the ideas are great. In response to AA737-823...yes, I hadn't forgotten Alaska, not for a moment. You are absolutely right about everything--scenery and flying, all the great aircraft, all fantastic. I know Alaska because my wife is from Valdez: a couple of years ago I scored Era's CV-580 from there to ANC (saw the same plane a few months ago in Tonga; small world!). Another unfulfilled project of mine is to pay a visit to Everts for a little extra-special prop action...

Of course, another part of the idea is to involve as many different types, so I guess I'll just have to route through STL or wherever to get the Jetstream (I'm sentimental about those, since I am from Scotland and so are they). And then, there's the routing...Boston to San Diego also rather interests me, as it makes it longer...but I'm just seeing what's possible right now.

I also thought of crossing Canada the same way, although combining Canada and the US on one trip might get complex. Great idea to extend the journey from SEA to YYJ, too.

Thank you all for the help---keep it coimng!

Argonaut



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

LOL...I used to look for just this information for fun every now and then.

Just a few years back (well into the reginal jet age) you could do nearly coast-to-coast on props in a single day with legal connections. If I recall correctly, Binghamton NY to Palm Spring CA

BGM-DTW-SBN-ORD-SUX-DEN-GJT-SLC-PSP

I wonder how many days it would take today to cross the country?


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 1):
SEA-BIL Q400 Horizon
BIL-SHR-DEN B1900 Big Sky
DEN-PIR B1900 Great Lakes
PIR-MSP-ATW-DTW-ITH SAAB 340 Mesaba
ITH-PHL DHC-8-100 Piedmont

2275 mi.

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 2):
SEA-SUN Horizon Q400
SUN-SLC-CPR-DEN Sky West EMB 120
DEN-PIR B1900 Great Lakes
PIR-MSP-ATW-DTW-TRI SAAB 340 Mesaba
TRI-ATL-AUG ASA ATR 72
AUG-CLT-HHH Piedmont DHC-8-100 and -300

4810 mi.

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 12):
BGM-DTW-SBN-ORD-SUX-DEN-GJT-SLC-PSP

2490 mi.


I wonder what the longest distance you can fly on scheduled props is? There would have to be some rules though such as only passing through a certain airport once, no backtracking, ect.
How popular are props in Europe/Asia for scheduled carriers? In the US we can get over 2000 mi on them, what about oversees?


User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

Here's an even more fun routing:

Routing - Aircraft - Operating Carrier - Marketing Carrier
VIS-MCE - BE1 - Air Midwest - US Airways Exp
MCE-LAS - BE1 - Air Midwest - US Airways Exp
LAS-HII - BE1 - Air Midwest - US Airways Exp
HII-PHX - BE1 - Air Midwest - US Airways Exp
PHX-FMN - BE1 - AIR MIDWEST - US Airways Exp
FMN-ABQ - BE1 - AIR MIDWEST - Mesa Airlines
ABQ-CVN - BE1 - Great Lakes - Great Lakes
CVN-AMA - BE1 - Great Lakes - Great Lakes
AMA-DEN - BE1 - Great Lakes - Great Lakes
DEN-GCK - BE1 - Great Lakes - Great Lakes
GCK-MCI - BE1 - Air Midwest -US Airways Exp
MCI-COU - BE1 - Air Midwest -US Airways Exp
COU-STL - BE1 - Air Midwest -US Airways Exp
STL-MKE - BE1 - Skyway -Midwest Connect
MKE-MKG - BE1 - Skyway -Midwest Conncet
MKG-DTW - SF3 - Mesaba -Northwest Airlink
DTW-ITH - SF3 - Mesaba -Northwest Airlink
ITH-PHL - DH8 -Piedmont -US Airways Exp
PHL-JFK - DH8 -Freedom -Delta Connection
JFK-ALB - DH8 -Freedom -Delta Connection
ALB-BOS - BE1 - Colgan -US Airways Exp
BOS-PQI - SF3 - Colgan -US Airways Exp


This would be a total of 22 legs. Here's your itinerary by day:
Day 1 - Depart VIS at 6:08am and get to FMN at 11:44pm
Day 2 - Depart FMN at 6:00am and get to GCK at 4:50pm
Day 3 - Depart GCK at 5:00am and get to MKE 9:05pm
Day 4 - Depart MKE at 11:30am and get to ITH 11:01pm
Day 5 - Depart ITH at 11:35am and get to ALB at 5:42pm
Day 6 - Depart ALB at 7:30am and get to PQI at 1:50pm.


Have fun and remember... use the bathroom in the airport as only 6 of those legs have bathrooms on the aircraft.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

If you want good service, try to fly as many segments as possible on QX (Horizon).

Horizon's inflight service on a 150 mile Dash 8 flight is better than what you'll get on a coast to coast A319 on many US carriers. Horizon has free beer and wine, made by small breweries / wineries in the US Pacific Northwest, with a new beer and wine every month.

The last time I flew Horizon, their "beer of the month" was from a small brewery located in an old airplane hangar in Montana; the beer was really good.

Horizon also has a wide variety of (free) snacks - not just the usual "peanuts or pretzels".



Seaholm Maples are #1!
User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Talk of Alaska has make me get more ambitious: How about crossing the whole of N. America, all the way out to the western end of the Aleutians? Maybe that's possible by scheduled propliner, too. I'm not certain about getting into Alaska: Is there a prop connection from YYJ or YVR, or anywhere else in BC, to Ketchikan or Juneau, for example?


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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 14):
Here's an even more fun routing:

Routing - Aircraft - Operating Carrier - Marketing Carrier
VIS-MCE - BE1 - Air Midwest - US Airways Exp
MCE-LAS - BE1 - Air Midwest - US Airways Exp

To make it truly coast-to-coast (and adding two more legs on the way), you could go...

SFO-MRY - EM2 - SkyWest - United Express
MRY-LAX - EM2 - SkyWest - United Express
LAX-PSP - EM2 - SkyWest - United Express
PSP-LAS - DH8 - Mesa Airlines - US Airways Exp



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2823 times:
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Off topic, but you ought to catch a Buffalo Airways DC-3 flight between Yellowknife and Hay River,NWT. I see 1 rt a day. That would be fun.


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 13):
Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 2):
SEA-SUN Horizon Q400
SUN-SLC-CPR-DEN Sky West EMB 120
DEN-PIR B1900 Great Lakes
PIR-MSP-ATW-DTW-TRI SAAB 340 Mesaba
TRI-ATL-AUG ASA ATR 72
AUG-CLT-HHH Piedmont DHC-8-100 and -300

4810 mi.

should have been ags, instead of aug.

ends up 3485 mi


I started my routes in the NW to get the QX Q400, but if you want they also have seasonal serivce from LAX-SUN on the 400. If you really want to go corner to corner, how about key west (EYW) to Bellingham, WA (BLI)? Course, if if you've gone that far might as well hit the end of the Aleutians.



When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

On the STL routing you could get on a J31/32 fairly easy. They route them through SPI and 1 a day to BNA. I think those are the only 2 cities the j31/32 run on that have more than just regions doing the service. So is that all the turbo props that are in service right now?

Saab
1900
E120
Dash 8, 100-400
J31
ATR



ETOPS...Engines Turn Or People Swim
User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Quoting Argonaut (Reply 16):
Is there a prop connection from YYJ or YVR, or anywhere else in BC, to Ketchikan or Juneau, for example?

No, though Air North are doing some fish freight charters YVR / KTN at the moment with an HS748 - maybe you could jumpseat...

Both AC & AS have flights up to ANC, but thats it - the main option into KTN seems to be AS ex SEA, but all with various models of 737's.



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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 20):
On the STL routing you could get on a J31/32 fairly easy. They route them through SPI and 1 a day to BNA. I think those are the only 2 cities the j31/32 run on that have more than just regions doing the service. So is that all the turbo props that are in service right now?

but waht other carriers fly props to those cities? I just wasn't familiar enough with who does what in that region to find anything.



When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 19):
If you really want to go corner to corner, how about key west (EYW) to Bellingham, WA (BLI)? Course, if if you've gone that far might as well hit the end of the Aleutians.

Now we're REALLY cooking....

Maybe we could encircle the N American continent? probably have to settle for some jets, though.



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User currently offline5mileBob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 104 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Great thread, folks!


Still looks like a Ramp Rat
25 Knope2001 : I found a way to pretty much cross the country diagonally in two days. Massena NY in far northern New York State on the Candian border, down to Carlsb
26 Post contains images Argonaut : Thank you, everyone; this is great! We are seriously going to try and do this, maybe even both directions by different routings. If/when we do, you gu
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