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Varig To Change Name To Nordeste  
User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

News reports indicate Brazilian airline Varig, which recently escaped bankruptcy, will buy 16 planes as soon as it is allowed to resume operations and will change its name to Nordeste, a senior executive said on Thursday.

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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2065 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Nice. Nordeste. I like it. Best of luck to them  Smile

cheers

Asturias



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Will they retain the rights to the VARIG name?

Is VARIG so tainted that it would be a liability to a new airline, or an existing smaller airline wanting to brand itself differently....to a much more well known brand?

Again, all depends on how the Brasillian public perceives it all.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

Wasn't there once an airline named Nordeste which later became part of the Varig Group and was later fully integrated into the airline RG? This would be kind of a step backwards, to adopt the name of an airline which merged with them and has disappeared for a while, wouldn't it?

User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4867 times:


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Photo taken in June, 2006.

Same paint scheme as Varig, I believe they were/are an affiliated company. Don't know if they had their own operating certificate or not, or if they are still flying. Any Brazilian a.netters have any further information


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

Would be a pity to see disappear Varig . but I wish them the best!

User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

I don't think they will change.
I like Nordeste. But Varig is known worldwide.

If they change their name it will be like when Prince changed his name, do you remember? ...the former artist known as Prince. Nordeste,the former airline known as Varig!


User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4592 times:

Gosh I don't get this one. Varig is such a well-known name. Nordeste simply means "Northeast". If I'm correct, yes it was it's own airline which served northeast Brasil and then integrated into Varig. There was also "Rio Sul" which is part of RG.

I guess since the US airline Northwest flies worldwide, why not? I look forward to what Felipe can tell us. What is your source, Lawndart?


User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4572 times:

The information on the additional 16 aircraft (B737's) has been going on for some time now, and yes it depends on the issue of the company's new operation license. Perhaps changing the name to Nordeste will help regain the internal route license quicker who knows. After all Nordeste did fly under the Varig logo.

There is also a potential order for up to 50 Embraer jets to be funded by BNDES waiting for the same issue.

For international flights though I would think the name Varig will probably remain. It is known worldwide and if your were going to change a famous known name, I would think that it would probably have some reference to Brazil within any new name. Otherwise who can identify with it outside of Brazil, after all VarigLOG still exists, why keep that name, its easy, the name Varig is well known.

The original Nordeste flew mainly B737 and some ERJ145's in the Northeast area of the country to SP and Rio.

Quoting LawnDart (Thread starter):
News reports indicate Brazilian airline Varig, which recently escaped bankruptcy, will buy 16 planes as soon as it is allowed to resume operations and will change its name to Nordeste, a senior executive said on Thursday.

I did a search on many of the Brazilian news sites and could not find anything in relation to this, What was your source.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

It's actually quite simple. Old Varig retained the Nordeste brand and the permission to fly CGH-BPS after the auction. Old Varig cannot fly as Varig anymore, since the brand belongs now to the New Varig. I haven't heard of Nordeste acquiring new aircrafts and I don't believe they will, since they don't have the capital. I think the news got mixed up with the fact that the New Varig is operating 16 aircrafts, if I'm not mistaken.

User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

That's a misleading information.. the new RG will not change its name to Nordeste that's pathetic..

Nordeste will be the name of the old RG, the one that kept all the debths.. and has just one aircraft supposed to be flying CGH-BPS route.. This airline will change its name to Nordeste...

You guys should be more cautious when reading this type of news..

News reports........ what else...

Nothing has come up over here in the Brazilian Press..


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4336 times:
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Just to explain:

Varig routes and airport assets, become part of NV Participations. NV still runs RG operations (FRA, EZE, CCS, BOG and domestic network) with 3 M11 and 12 733. Varig will run flights mainly from their new domestic Hub (CGH). HQ is in Rio de Janeiro, operations in Sao Paulo.

Non airport assets (Training Center, HQ) and one route (was CGH-BPS now GIG-BPS) stayed with Varig Transport Services. They will change name to Nordeste and fly up to 16 planes during the next 3 years. They will change HQ from Salvador to Rio de Janeiro as well as their Hub from SSA to GIG. Nordeste will keep all the actions against Brazilian Government (as well as all huge debits against Varig).

Felipe



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 5):
Would be a pity to see disappear Varig . but I wish them the best!

Just wait. It sounds like a known story:

Swissair -Crossair- Swiss
Sabena -DAT- SN Brussels

Varig -Noreste- Varig Rio?


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1870 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

And what's about VRG Linhas Aéreas? All aircraft with "Varig-Titels" were operated by this new airline but with crews leased from Varig.

No aircraft flies with Rio-Sul and Nordeste.


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 8):
I did a search on many of the Brazilian news sites and could not find anything in relation to this, What was your source.



Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 10):
That's a misleading information.. the new RG will not change its name to Nordeste that's pathetic..



Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 10):
You guys should be more cautious when reading this type of news..

The link to the original Reuters news story is as below:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...42_N30251311&type=comktNews&rpc=44

Interestingly, however, a correction was issued the next day, removing the quote about the name change, as follows:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...40_N30251311&type=comktNews&rpc=44

Reuters is one of the premier news bureaus, Dellatorre, how much more cautious can I be?


User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

Can someone explain something to me.

RG Is flying 15 planes (3 MD11s and 12 737s I believe) and they have a few dozen flights a day. So they are clearly operating and they must be operating under a valid airline certificate.

What is this that I keep on hearing that they are waiting for an airline certificate to add the 16 planes and more frequencies? What am I missing? Why can't they just operate the extra planes under their existing certificate?

Thanks for anyone that can help explain.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2968 times:
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Quoting Baron95 (Reply 15):
RG Is flying 15 planes (3 MD11s and 12 737s I believe) and they have a few dozen flights a day. So they are clearly operating and they must be operating under a valid airline certificate.

What is this that I keep on hearing that they are waiting for an airline certificate to add the 16 planes and more frequencies? What am I missing? Why can't they just operate the extra planes under their existing certificate?

Baron, RG is really flying but under a special approval from ANAC. Even Varig, they never received a valid airline certification because they are even OLDER than the old issuer (DAC) replaced nowadays by ANAC.
They can't add more planes because the special approval has limits, one of them is just 15 planes and the need to obtain the formal certificate.

If you have any further question or doubt, let me know.

Felipe



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