HAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1161 posts, RR: 7 Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4259 times:
To begin with, I am not posting this thread to bash an airline, but thought i share this incident with the readers on this forum.
I was on my way from Phoenix to Dubai, and i flew on United as i usually do. I just flying that airline. i did it in this sequence:
PHX - DEN - IAD - FRA - DXB. the last leg was Lufthansa.
as i am a student at the ASU masters in airline management, i do lots of papers and research involving the cabin design and the interior of the aircraft. in one of my courses, "Human factors in aviation" i was discussing the topic of how the design of the cabin doors affect the percentage of errors done by flight attendants, such as the famous mistake: "blowing the slides". i thought i take a picture of the door of the 777 to include how the design is excellent, when compared to the 767 in termss of the location of the arming and disarming levers away from the door handle
any way, so here is what happened:
on the DEN - IAD flight 902, i was seated on business class seat 11A and i asked the flight attendant if i could take a picture of the door after i explained to her my situation and i offered to show her my university ID, and the abstract to the paper, which i had in my carr on luggage. she said she will ask the captain and the purser and get back to me. an hour into the flight she came back to me and said that the answer was no, because any one taking pictures on an airplane is going to be "suspicious" according to the captain. i thanked her and continued watching the movie.
then on the IAD - FRA flight, i was seated on 8A on biz class, and i was chatting with the crew, they were much younger, almost my age and i thought i mention to them what happened. the plane was a 777 too and then they were surprised from that response and they said, you can take as much pictures as you want, its all over the internet. I was so shocked of the responses!!! same airline, same airplane type, but TWO DIFFERENT RESPONSES.
I just thought i mention this incident and see what you guys think about it.
MarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
Well, supposedly, the lowest risk of accidentally blowing a slide is still with the 737 type design. Wait till they develop a stick to hit the person opening the door while it's still armed!!!
I would say it is the crew's interpretation of the airline's policy. Many airlines in the United States warn the cabin crew that pax taking pictures or taping crew procedures or security/safety equipment is not to be allowed, usually out of security concerns. However, the guidance isn't very clear sometimes. Does that mean someone can't tape the safety briefing? Or that they can't video tape cockpit entry procedure? There's a big difference taking a huge number of photos of your lifevest pouch (which, incidentally, was where a bomb was placed during a Philippines Airlines bombing), versus an artistic shot of the exit sign. The policy is probably is a little bit overly-cautious, but security takes priority.
This policy varies from carrier to carrier, but I have seen it mentioned in several different ways by a few airlines.
In the end, the flight attendant who wasn't sure did the right thing...she checked with the captain, who, after all, has the overriding authority onboard the aircraft.
Release your seat-belts and get out! Leave everything!
BAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2034 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4139 times:
HAMAD and our Australian friends...
HAMAD, different carriers have different rules about picture taking onboard. In some cases, the policy is very "soft", in other words, it is not applied uniformly. Thankfully, you were not mistreated.
Now, as to the issue of paranoia, well, being the first American posting on this question, let me say this: 9/11 forever changed the way we Americans view traveling by air. It changed a lot of things for us (indeed it has changed the entire world). As well traveled as I am, there is a moment of pause before I step on an airplane now. It is a piece of myself I will never get back. Maybe it was watching UA175 go into the side of WTC2 at 300kts that did it for me?
One guy who is snapping a picture of a 777 exit door is simply doing research for a paper. The next guy is snapping a picture doing research for something much more sinister. How do we know? Different people are going to look at that situation differently. It is the new reality in which we must live. While I have come to accept this new reality (with a tremendous degree of sadness, I must admit), others have not.
Some people understand this, others do not. StealthZ, thank you.
As I said, HAMAS, I am very thankful that you were not mistreated.
David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
HAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1161 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4128 times:
thanks for your kind reply, the crew actually were very nice, and since i boarded, my camera did not leave the carry on in the overhead compartment, even when i asked. i could have taken it out, but i chose not to, so that i don't give a chance to someone to have more reason to suspect me more. i know by asking, i might have been watched. I have taken pictures on other airlines such as KLM, even UA and Northwest, BUT the key is, always ask.
MarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4110 times:
Not a problem. Glad to help! May I also suggest you visit the following website and download some of their material (some of the powerpoints have photos too). They did research on inadvertant slide deployments and talked specifically why the 767 door was FAMOUS for accidental slide deployment!!!
Its called a whole world paranoia, especially in certain countrys like the USA, UK, Australia. Its not only the USA.
I encounted the same problem on a SJ flight from WLG-OOL last December. The FAs supervisor was crew on the same flight also. The problem is caused by a few up-tight FAs who have a problem with cameras flashing etc. 99% of all my flights I havn't had a problem.
BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3905 times:
I've taken heaps of pictures from planes (and I'm not the only one, as this site shows!). I have never asked for permission (I usually fly within Europe) and never had a problem. However, recently my mother was asked not to take photos while on approach. The reason she was given was not instrument interference, but the fact that "one can not take photos of airports anymore". I fly that very same airline (TP) all the time and never had any such remarks. So Hamad, the same thing happens here too. Some FAs are just more uptight than others.
Ah, and coming to think of it, I did once ask if I could take a photo of an FA posing in the L1 door but that's quite another story