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Airbus Gives The Go-ahead For The A350  
User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16183 times:

BBC Reports:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6198002.stm

Exciting stuff methinks!

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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16027 times:

According to the article there still hasn't been an official announcement as yet, hence its title: Airbus A350 'to get the go-ahead.'

Nevertheless, I find this phrase interesting:

According to an unidentified source quoted by Reuters, the board of EADS is 90% behind the plans to start producing the A350.

[Edited 2006-12-01 14:48:07]

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16007 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 1):
According to an unidentified source quoted by Reuters, the board of EADS is 90% behind the plans to start producing the A350.

who has a 10% holding?  scratchchin 


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26999 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15954 times:

The article says ''Electrical Faults'' caused some airlines to cancel orders!!! I thought it was wiring problems or is this just another word for the same thing?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26999 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15942 times:

The article says ''Electrical Faults'' caused some airlines to cancel orders of the A380!!! I thought it was wiring problems or is this just another word for the same thing?

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15864 times:

To quote the article:

"The super-jumbo project had major setbacks, as electrical faults led to delivery delays which, in turn, prompted some customers to cancel their orders."

And yes they are the same thing! and only 1 has cancelled


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15636 times:

Is the board meeting taking place. I haven't seen anything on the newswires sying that they've met or a decision has been made.


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15527 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
who has a 10% holding?

'Technical issue' really, but the EADS Board has 11 members, of whom 5 are appointed by the French, 5 are appointed by the Germans, and 1 is appointed by the Spanish. 7 votes in favour are required for any decision.

I'm no mathematician - but, as far as I can see, on that basis, a '90%' opinion in favour is mathematically impossible?

[Edited 2006-12-01 15:53:14]


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15480 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
Is the board meeting taking place. I haven't seen anything on the newswires sying that they've met or a decision has been made.

There's a mention of it on www.ft.com but not many other places - the share price for EADS is also 4% up today - which suggests that good news may be on the way.....


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15228 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 8):
There's a mention of it on www.ft.com but not many other places - the share price for EADS is also 4% up today - which suggests that good news may be on the way.....

Related article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/12/01/AR2006120100380.html



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31001 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15166 times:
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Quoting NAV20 (Reply 7):
'Technical issue' really, but the EADS Board has 11 members, of whom 5 are appointed by the French, 5 are appointed by the Germans, and 1 is appointed by the Spanish. 7 votes in favour are required for any decision.

I'm no mathematician - but, as far as I can see, on that basis, a '90%' opinion in favour is mathematically impossible?

Perhaps EADS is hoping for a unianimous decision for PR reasons?

Assuming the Spanish member is the "hold-out", I guess the Spanish government might want a bit more for their part in helping back the loans all four governments will support?

Or maybe it's Arnaud Lagardère? Is he the only representative from Lagardère SCA on the board?

Anyway, as you note, it's a moot point since they have a supermajority.


User currently offlineAvro85 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 236 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15085 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 7):
I'm no mathematician - but, as far as I can see, on that basis, a '90%' opinion in favour is mathematically impossible?

If 10 are in favor and one against it's 90.91 % of people in favor. The author probably just took the 90 % and didn't round it off to 91%  Wink


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15035 times:

IMO, being 90% behind a well-defined project is the equivalent of being 90% pregnant.  Smile

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14450 times:

LONDON (Dow Jones)--European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. plans to make a statement on Airbus' planned A350 XWB mid-sized airplane later Friday, according to a person familiar with the situation.

It is widely anticipated that EADS' statement will announce the formal launch of the plane, designed to compete with Boeing Co.'s strong-selling 787. A press conference is expected for Monday, this person said...


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20061201-710821.html


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13838 times:

Looks as though the Moderators decided to consolidate discussion in this thread, so here's the link from Manni's deleted threadstarter:

Airbus Wins Approval to Offer A350, Challenge Boeing (Update2)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aslj1TPqUvH0


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13820 times:

Quote:
An EADS board meeting on Friday will deal with outstanding issues, including a 10bn-euro (£6.8bn; $13bn) financing package, the Financial Times says

Christ, is that almost twice to develop 787 or are all the redesigns and that A350 is slightly aiming at 777 as well?



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13700 times:
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Quoting Lehpron (Reply 15):
Christ, is that almost twice to develop 787

Don't forget the $ has fallen a lot vs the € since Boeing launched the 787. Plus, if I remember correctly, the A350 is a 5-plane family from the get-go (-800, -900, -1000, -LR & -F).



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13432 times:

I'm longingly awaiting some details on this. Until then, congrats to the folks at Airbus who've been able to keep their concentration on the A350 with all the turmoil going on there.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12744 times:

Ok a little bit more news off of Bloomberg:

A350 will enter service around 2013
A350 Development costs will be spread from 2007 to 2014
A350 will be funded mostly from company cashflows (Wonder how they're going to accomplish this one).



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12723 times:

Now official on EADS website:
http://www.eads.net/web/lang/en/1024...F00000040950509/9/13/41507139.html


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12722 times:

EADS Press Release:

EADS gives go ahead for Airbus to launch the A350 XWB

Amsterdam, 01 December 2006

The EADS Board of Directors has given the go ahead for Airbus to launch the industrial programme for the new A350 XWB airliner family. In doing so, the Board has assumed the full implementation of the Power8 competitiveness programme.

The A350 XWB - together with the A330/A340 aircraft family – will meet a market that requires some 5,700 new aircraft being delivered in the next two decades with more than US$ 1,000 bn value.

“The A350 XWB will be the most modern commercial aircraft and a step ahead of its competitor” said EADS CEOs Tom Enders and Louis Gallois. “With technologically advanced innovations, the new aircraft is designed to answer the customers’ strong demand with the most efficient and comfortable passenger aircraft in the world.”

The programme will give a tremendous boost to the aeronautical activity across Europe and will be a unique opportunity to bring on board new risk sharing partners, fully supporting EADS International strategy.

The A350 XWB is going to be financed predominantly from the company cash flows, with strong contribution from the Power8 programme and from risk sharing partners. The funding requirements going forward will be proactively managed in line with company policy to preserve a strong balance sheet. EADS expects to spread the development costs of the full XWB family over the years 2007 to 2014 with the bulk of spending occurring in 2010-2013...


http://www.eads.com/web/lang/en/1024...F00000040950509/9/13/41507139.html


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12625 times:

So ifthe market demand is for 5700 of these high efficient new technology planes, then why didn't Airbus commit to building one from scratch in 2004?

Unfortunately they had to pulled kicking and screaming into the A350 project.



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12604 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 20):
EADS Press Release

Gee, Leelaw, I managed to beat you by 1'15". A first  Smile


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12498 times:

Funny but now maintaining a CFRP fuselage is now longer an issue at Airbus. My how we quickly change our minds!! I think Boeing has had a more pursuasive argument with regards to CFRP and now Airbus is forced to go along (by the airlines).


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12367 times:

Another EADS Press Release:

A350 XWB Family Receives Industrial Go-Ahead

Toulouse, 01 December 2006

Airbus was given the go-ahead for the industrial launch of the A350 XWB Family, a new medium capacity long-range extra wide-body Family from the Board of Directors of its parent company EADS. The decision is based on strong market demand and customer backing. Entry into service of the first A350 XWB is planned for 2013.

Conceived from the outset to become a comprehensive airliner Family, the A350 XWB will be available in three basic passenger versions, the A350-800 which can fly 270 passengers in a spacious three-class configuration up to 8,500nm / 15,750 km, the A350-900 seating 314, and the A350-1000 which is designed for 350, both with ranges of up to 8,300nm / 15,400 km. The three passenger versions have a cruise speed of Mach 0.85. As an ultra long-range aircraft, the A350-900R will fly even further. A freighter version, the A350-900F will complement the passenger models. According to its latest Global Market Forecast, Airbus estimates the demand for passenger and freighter aircraft in this category, for the next 20 years, at some 5,700 planes representing 41 per cent in terms of value of all new aircraft delivered above 100 seats.

“The A350 XWB has it all to become a great success - the most advanced technologies, the best economics and the highest level of comfort. It is a direct response to market demand,” says Louis Gallois, Airbus President and CEO, and co-CEO of EADS. “The decision follows a thorough review of all the resources available to ensure a smooth development of the Family backed by a very sound programme planning. Airbus remains a lead player in providing a complete range of modern airliners to its customers.”

With a cross section of 232 inches / 5.9 meters, the A350 XWB will benefit from the widest fuselage in its category, offering unprecedented levels of comfort in this market segment. It will also offer the lowest operating costs and lowest seat mile cost of any aircraft in that category. The Family is designed to confront the challenges of high fuel prices, rising passenger expectations, and environmental concerns in that market segment.

The A350 XWB will be powered by new generation Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines delivering between 75,000 and 95,000lbs of thrust. Rolls Royce CEO, Sir John Rose, said: “We are very pleased to join Airbus for its A350 XWB programme. Together, we are committed to set new standards in fuel-efficiency, maintainability and engine reliability for the 21st century.”

To achieve this, the new A350 XWB will feature the latest innovations in terms of advanced technologies. Amongst those is the use of all-new, easy to maintain and much lighter Carbon Fibre Reinforced Plastic (CFRP) paneled fuselage skins. This innovation in manufacturing permits easier maintainability and reparability of individual airframe parts, while also allowing the structure of the panels to be much better optimized in terms of design to the stress and load requirements of each individual airframe part. Over 60 per cent of the airframe will be made of new materials.

Moreover, the fly-by-wire A350 XWB will have handling and flight deck operational commonality allowing airlines to benefit from the Airbus family concept of cross crew qualification and mixed fleet flying.


http://www.eads.com/web/lang/en/1024...F00000040950509/0/05/41508050.html


25 Mptpa : How so??? CFRP "panels" makes it a step ahead of full CFRP barrels? OK then..... EIS in 2013, but the development cost is spread out to 2014? It mean
26 PVD757 : They're able to say this because it's not competing with the 787. It is technically 1 step ahead of the 777. The 787 just happens to now be two steps
27 TeamAmerica : Interesting. To what degree does Boeing's spun barrel construction compromise on optimization of "individual airframe parts"? Is it not possible to v
28 Post contains images Zvezda : Panels are a stupid way to build a CFRP fuselage. I was hoping to see a return to the forward-thinking Airbus that built the A330 and A320. Such a di
29 Post contains links and images TeamAmerica : Boeing studied the CFRP panel concept and rejected it. From the Chicago Tribune: Boeing bets big on a plastic plane "Building an airplane, aluminum o
30 Post contains images Stitch : Then that negates their claim of the A350XWB offering "the widest cabin in it's category" since a 777's is a good deal wider...
31 AirbusDriver : I've seen a lots of really bad ramp rash over the year, how bad of an accident would required a 787 barrel to have to be replace?
32 Stitch : Probably one that would also "total" an Al-Li airliner (due to frame bending and such). I imagine Boeing can reliably and safely fix holes many feet
33 TeamAmerica : I've argued in previous threads that ramp rash will no longer be accepted as inevitable. If the cost of damage to aircraft is high enough, it will be
34 Richard28 : By the proposed large increase in output of the A32X series?
35 AirbusDriver : I've got to disagree with you here, here at USAIR we already operate like this, but tight space, night, rain, fuel truck, catering, bag carts etc thi
36 Scouseflyer : and the A380 should start bringing home the bacon by then too. They've called a press conf for Monday morning - I expect so order announcements then.
37 TeamAmerica : Like I said, it requires a change of mindset. When the cost of repairing damage exceeds the cost of preventing it, we will. With enough money you can
38 Zvezda : About as bad as what would require an aluminium airliner to be scrapped.
39 Stitch : I wonder if SQ will actually commit or if they will maintain their LoI/MoU. They're going to have to start replacing 772ERs before the A359 and A3510
40 Thorben : Or A330s?
41 DfwRevolution : No, you would never have to replace a barrel segment for ramp rash. The type of damage caused by ramp rash typically consist of abrasions, scratches,
42 Post contains images Scouseflyer : They're taking those 19 A330s to tide them over until the A350s arrive
43 DIA : There goes any A350 order from Air France.
44 ER757 : QR firming up would be nice for Aibus' order book, that's for sure. LH - if Johnny's insights from the past couple weeks are accurate, then they are
45 Post contains images 7cubed : "a350 is superior", "al li is superior", "a330 with a new wing is as good"... ass+smoke=airbus
46 Lehpron : Markets develop by the changing needs of customers. They do not sit around waiting to be discovered. Companies have to decide if a product developmen
47 SirOmega : I think the R&D in 2014 is probably associated with other versions of the aircraft. From another thread I recall estimates of a EIS for the -1000 mod
48 11Bravo : I think orders will be more than a bit slow for a while. We may see some LoIs, but I'd bet lots of airlines are going to wait and see if there's some
49 7cubed : I agree, it will be interesting to see which direction B goes next, y1 or y3. I've got money on Y1.[Edited 2006-12-02 02:17:21]
50 EI321 : I thought that replacement was not the biggest issue, rather the time it would take in maintance to scan the barrel for possible (invisible) damage.
51 Trex8 : exactly except SNECMA has no role in the GEnx so why would AF care less now
52 Stitch : The A333 lacks the range to perform the long-haul 772ER mission and the A332, while it has the range, lacks the capacity. SQ is taking A333s on short
53 Post contains images Kanebear : It'll be interesting to see how many orders are booked beyond the "sure thing" orders the rev 1 A350 would've won and if they warranted the additional
54 777ATech : Let's assume the A350 enters service sometime in 2014 and the one hundred frames in the books by a variety of hard core Airbus customers receive them
55 Ap305 : At the end of the day what it boils down to is x number of pax + x tons of cargo carried to x km range at x oew/mtow.Reading into the above specs will
56 Post contains images PM : (From the Airbus Press Release.) No reference to GE? Not even for the -800 and -900???
57 DfwRevolution : There is a tendency to lump any ground damage into the "ramp rash" category, which isn't always an accurate assumption. No, inspection is only necess
58 Ken777 : Part of the decision will probably depend on engine availability and I believe that the major 737 airlines are pressuring the engine companies to del
59 Beaucaire : Launching the A350 will help Airbus to sell ton's of A330's as gap-filler.Pilots can easily change from A330 to A350 due to cockpit communality. Panel
60 Leelaw : Doubtful, unless there's very significant price discounting on the "gap-filling" A330 units to help mitigate the ever increasing residual value risk
61 Scouseflyer : I already has - SQ said they will buy 19 and TAP are buying some, AY have ordered a couple of A343s too - all untill A350s start flying
62 Leelaw : No, SQ is leasing the 19 A333s needed for "interim lift" directly from Airbus on a short-term basis.
63 WINGS : That's correct Scouseflyer, except for the A333's for SQ will be leased. Even thought SQ will be leasing those frames for around 5 years they still n
64 Leelaw : Airbus is acting as the "lessor of last resort" in the SQ transaction because it's probably the only entity that can take on the residual value risk
65 Post contains links Leelaw : WSJ 12/02/06: ...while production and financing of the A350 XWB seem to be falling into place, recent debates over the new plane have exposed major ri
66 ComeAndGo : The 787 barrel has an outer coating with a material with a lower density than the carbon material of the barrel. This material is designed to absorb
67 Raggi : This was surprising to me as well, I recall the GENX being pitted for the - 800 and -900 earlier. But I bet you wouldn't mind a RR monopoly. =) I als
68 Zvezda : This is a very minor factor in selecting an airliner. The training cost is easy to quantify. It is weighed together with many other factors. The weig
69 PanAm_DC10 : Correct, expect an announcement shortly from Airbus for a moderate increase in A330 production. It's my opinion as I cannot supply an appropriate lin
70 WINGS : Sounds pretty good PanAm_DC10. Airbus might as well take advantage of the late arrival of the A350X into the market. If Airbus does go forward with p
71 Slz396 : Ten might be a big step up, nine would be more likely in my view knowing the production of the A340 is going to slow down over the coming years, thus
72 TeamAmerica : It's not just regulations. We need better screening of employees, better training, and "smart" equipment as I mentioned above. It is currently possib
73 Post contains images Keesje : Seems like 95% of the press has picked this up as an answer to the 787 while Airbus decided to go for the 300 seat market (772) first. Perhaps composi
74 Grantcv : So when will Airbus be in a position to replace the A320? Will Airbus be able to start on a replacement before 2013? With their slow six year developm
75 Bringiton : Will the RR's be bleedless or bleed ?
76 Post contains images Stitch : Well the original was designed to fight the 787 and two models of the XWB do, so... I remain skeptical, myself, but I need to see how, exactly, Airbu
77 DfwRevolution : 1.) The Genx has been optimized for specific thrust levels and can't easily scale upwards beyond 80,000 lbf without sacrificing EGT margins and on-wi
78 Post contains links Keesje : Haven´t seen that (been out a while). Do you have a link? GE could no doubt develop something in the right thrust class. The Genx has a lot of GE90
79 BoomBoom : Perhaps, maybe, maybe... Prehaps, maybe someday Airbus will finally decide WTF they're going to build and the A350 will be more than just vaporware d
80 Gbfra : Just wait for the Airbus press conference on Monday and you will hear about airlines who have more confidence in the A350 than you do.
81 AvObserver : Fairly anticlimactic, methinks. Did anyone here REALLY think they wouldn't go ahead, despite some ramblings within EADS? To not go ahead would have m
82 Stitch : The A350XWB will use traditional "bleed-air" systems according to all the information released to date. It is possible Airbus could decide to go blee
83 BoomBoom : It will take a year or two to know how much confidence the airlines have in the A350. Of course, that's contingent on Airbus sticking with the curren
84 Post contains images PM : Just so long as it works out better than the last RR monopoly on an Airbus... More by circumstances than by choice and I still suspect they'd like to
85 Leelaw : It's amazing how quickly those who have for years been the strictest of adherents to the church of laser welded Al-Li, are willing to genuflect, even
86 Zvezda : 78,000 to 80,000 lbs of thrust would suffice for a 560,000 lbs MTOW B787-10, which is about the limit for the current landing gear and would enable t
87 2wingtips : Let's just wait and see what the new promised range of the 350XWB models will be. I seriously doubt it will be standardised on all models. Is the frei
88 Post contains images Astuteman : The answer is in the statement. FWIW, in the highest spend years (somewhat ironically), the A380 will probably be the major contributor. I would expe
89 Thorben : Ha, more planes does not mean more engines in this case. GE can stay with the T7, but after 2015 they'll not deliver much.
90 Post contains images PM : Unfortunately, it does. Not counting spares, GE have sold about 940 GE90s. RR have sold about 460 Trent 500s. Put it another way, there are as many G
91 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Congrats to Airbus to finally officially launching the A350XWB (again).. It won't be possible for the A350 to take on the entire 777/787 spectrum..so
92 Post contains images Elvis777 : Peace Elvis777
93 Post contains images Keesje : jeez Leelaw didn´t know you were that religious orientated Since the A380 contains more composites then any 787 will ever have, the A400 composite w
94 Post contains images WingedMigrator : Wait, wait, that can't possibly mean... ... will Airbus have R&D funding left over for other projects early in the next decade, such as an A320 repla
95 Astuteman : Is the alliance included in that statement? IIRC they were quite keen to push a GP7000 development..... Difficult one, that. If the last few years is
96 Post contains images Trex8 : since I'm only aware of several major carriers who have gone 10 across on any 777, EK, AF and TG(there may be a few more, do the Japanese domestics d
97 Revelation : Perhaps Streiff knew more than you do when he said it would take Airbus ten years to catch up to Boeing?
98 BoomBoom : Given that it's twice the size, that's not surprising, is it? The 787 has a higher percentage of composites relative to it's total weight, but you al
99 PM : Or too late. Or more expensive. We'll see.
100 Stitch : I am sure Airbus has some large orders lined up. This may be the true reason behind the delays, as Leahy and Company have been lining up the customer
101 BoomBoom : The SQ order was just an easy way for Singapore to support Airbus at their darkest hour, without having to really commit anything. It's cheap talk, a
102 PM : So you're saying they won't in the end order it?
103 Trex8 : the only thing which seems to have changed since Farnborough is the greater use of CFRPfor the fuselage, the cabin width which was the major change f
104 Jacobin777 : Because if the returns are good, they will....The 787 didn't start taking off in sales until it was shown that 9-across is possible on the 787... I w
105 Post contains images Leelaw : I thought you'd enjoy the religious motif of my reply given your monk-like devotion to ANYTHING and EVERYTHING Airbus. BTW, weren't you formerly a st
106 PM : God, I hope not...
107 Stitch : I believe SQ will need to order a long-range widebody airliner to replace at least some of their long-haul 772ER fleet prior to the A350XWB entering
108 BoomBoom : I'm saying they're not obligated to buy anything. They will if it suits them, but there is an OUT in this deal big enough to fly a Whalejet through.
109 Post contains images PM : So they won't be getting OUT until October next year at the earliest...?
110 Post contains images Astuteman : Presumably get Airbus to ask on their behalf.. Regards
111 Post contains links and images Leelaw : WSJ 12/04/06: Airbus Pitch: New A350 Was Worth Wait ...Airbus officials also say they're taking advantage of the lag time to introduce better technolo
112 Post contains images Astuteman : Two nice looking planes........ Regards
113 Post contains images Trex8 : IIRC the time frame for the A350 SQ signed up for is still about the same, besides I'm sure SQ management know Airbus runs on Toulouse standard time
114 Stitch : I'd really like to know what this CFRP "shell" for the A350XWB entails...
115 DAYflyer : Just wait until the 777 replacement comes out...
116 Post contains links Scouseflyer : I wonder if ILFC will make good mr U-Hs promise now: http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...id=2881274&s=C-Note+ILFC#ID2881274
117 Leelaw : Depends how much he likes the composite skin panel approach...one wonders whether this concept was even floated as a possibility last spring when he
118 Post contains images Zvezda : I don't see it that way. I think SQ took the LoI for the A350 primarily as insurance in case of major problems with the B787 program. Both are gorgeo
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