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Swiss Aviation Thread One  
User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9006 times:

Alright fellow Swiss a.nutters. Here it finally is, our own personal thread Big grin No more need to hijack other threads with our personal discussions, no more searching the forums about any Swiss related threads. Now you can discuss your favourite topic about Swiss aviation in here.

There sure is a lot to discuss, as ie:

EZY-LX battle
LX's expansion
ZRH, BSL, GVA airport news
Helvetic's new corporate identity
the list goes on.

So let's keep this active and let's start off with...errr... your choice Big grin

have fun
Sandro

207 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9000 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Thread starter):
No more need to hijack other threads with our personal discussions

That's right! Like for the LX at BHX thread that ended up in a SR Express and EI European LCC model discussion.  Wink


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

Exactly, that was why i started this one  Wink

User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

How 'bout LX following their contractual obligations and recalling all the pilots laid off in 2003? The contract said, in effect, "Pilots will be called back in reverse order of dismissal" in the event that LX needs pilots.

Where's my recall letter?

That is my biggest beef with Swiss aviation. Yup, I am a bit sour about that one......

Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread here, cuz I do like CH-Aviatik and want it all to succeed, even LX.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 3):
Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread here

You didn't, as this is exactly what this thread is intended for.
So I assume you used to be a Saab2000 pilot?

Regarding your question i cant really help you, as i'm not a swiss management member or something like that Big grin


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8986 times:

My biggest beef is the obsession with the swiss flag in the liveries, brighten up guys.


Suppose the phrase "So perfect its could almost be swiss" doesn't really apply anymore when it comes to aviation. Big grin


User currently offlineLsgg From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 577 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

Brilliant ! Here we goooooo  champagne   veryhappy 


Swissair forever !
User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 5):
My biggest beef is the obsession with the swiss flag in the liveries, brighten up guys.

Would you please be kind enough to read again my answers on the following topic ?  Big grin Tschüss

Helvetic New Colors - Here Is She...


User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8960 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 5):
Suppose the phrase "So perfect its could almost be swiss" doesn't really apply anymore when it comes to aviation. 

It could be. Back in the day LX and SR were the standard.

I now fly in the US and DAILY am nostalgic for how it worked in Switzerland. Operationally there is no comparison. In Switzerland the airplanes were clean, catered, lavs serviced after every flight, well maintained, etc.

I learned all about aviation in Switzerland and got my licenses there before I got my US licenses, so I learned it 'the hard way'.

Not everything in Swiss aviation is perfect. Not by long shot. But it ain't bad either. I wish I were still there.

And yes, ZRHnerd, I flew SB-20s for two years over there. I was based in LUG. Flying into LUG kicks ass. Big grin

[Edited 2006-12-01 18:33:59]


smrtrthnu
User currently offlineLsgg From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 577 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

Other Swiss Aviation Topics :

Swiss International At Birmingham..a Few Questions

Swiss, Why Do They Have A Ticket Office In NYC?

Swiss Threatened...



Swissair forever !
User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8932 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 8):
Flying into LUG kicks ass.

Haha Big grin I bet it does. May I ask what type you currently fly?


User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 10):
May I ask what type you currently fly?

I currently fly a CRJ-200 for Air Wisconsin under the brand name of US Airways Express. I'll be upgrading to captain soon.

The business is quite different in the US than in Europe and there is NO CHANCE to go straight to large aircraft or start out on the left seat as captain at a 'normal' airline. That is one reason I am still pi$$ed off at LX. Leaving there forced me to start over completely at the bottom.

Anyway, it is good experience flying the CRJ. It is fast and we fly into all the major airports in the US and Canada. But my days of flying in Europe are probably over unless I get on with one of the US major airlines and get to fly to Europe on transatlantic flights. I have a very good connection at United and expect them to start hiring pilots next year. If I am fortunate enough to get in I will be trying for the 757/767 at IAD so that I can fly ZRH flights.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 11):

Sounds good, good luck to you  Smile


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 11):
I'll be upgrading to captain soon.

Congratulation !  champagne 

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 11):
But my days of flying in Europe are probably over

Won't you try to come back over here ?


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8879 times:

ZRHnerd, this is a great idea! I am sure this topic will stay on the first page forever! 

Quoting ZRHnerd (Thread starter):
EZY-LX battle

What battle? LX won't win something with a three weekly flight BSL-MAN!   

Quoting ZRHnerd (Thread starter):
LX's expansion

Concerning ZRH, LX is expanding which is a good sign. It is now interesting to see if the profits are lastingly or if they are back in the reds when the economic climate changes. Believe it or not, i cross my fingers for them.
As for GVA, I am not well informed but in BSL we need to be honest. The new product is very doubtful.

Quoting ZRHnerd (Thread starter):
Helvetic's new corporate identity

Preferred the old one. But their customers are different now, I guess they will prefer the new one.

Quoting ZRHnerd (Thread starter):
ZRH, BSL, GVA airport news

For GVA and ZRH I hope some others will make a list. I will start with BSL for now...

Confirmed news:

-Sun Express twice weekly scheduled flights to Izmir (737-800)

-SkyEurope: 3x weekly to Cracow (starting in March), 737-700
4x weekly to Budapest (starting in February), 737-300

-Clickair daily to BCN (starting in March), A-320

-Atlas Blue twice weekly to Marrakech (737-400)

-Royal Air Maroc twice weekly to Casablanca (next year), comeback after 15 years!

-Korean Air Cargo, second weekly flight Dubai-Seoul, 747-400

-MASKargo, third weekly flight (now serving Kuala Lumpur and Shanghai), 747-200/400

-Aigle Azur, new weekly flight to Algiers, A-320

-Swiss: Reducing AMS and LCY, starting MAN (3 weekly), Warsaw (3 weekly), BCN (5 weekly), BUD (4 weekly), NCE (4 weekly), PRG (4 weekly). Total increase against last year is only 8 flights per week.

-Iceland Express weekly to Keflavik (starting in June), HELLO MD-90

-HLX takes over HLF flights to PMI but goes back to daily

-charter: too much news to post here...

Apart from that, Jet Aviation is building new hangars and creating 1000 new jobs at Basel airport. The hangars will host aircraft up to the A-380.

-easyJet currently thinking about a fifth aircraft to be based in BSL, not finally decided yet. A new daily route to LGW is expected though very soon.

-Expect Ryanair to enter Switzerland in summer 07 since talks with BSL airport are on a very good path right now.

Hope this is of interest.

Cheers,
RJ100

[Edited 2006-12-01 19:15:29]


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User currently offlineDambuster From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

LX don't look very good... they've lost it at GVA BSL for sure, the only thing they have to say they're superior is their total pax flow, let's see if EZY will even take that from them  Wink

User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 14):
Expect Ryanair to enter Switzerland in summer 07 since talks with BSL airport are on a very good path right now.

Oh jesus. Nightmare come true.


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8842 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Thread starter):
GVA airport news



Quoting RJ100 (Reply 14):
I hope some others will make a list.

Well, for GVA, you can still visit this site to stay informed:

www.dpts.org

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 16):
Oh jesus. Nightmare come true.



 rotfl 

[Edited 2006-12-01 19:34:36]

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8769 times:

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 7):

I agree whole-heartedly, that new livery triggered my post.

Would be nice if they came up with something original!!  Wink


User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8755 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 14):
-Expect Ryanair to enter Switzerland in summer 07 since talks with BSL airport are on a very good path right now.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8749 times:

Hi Guys,

just came back from VIE this evening. Wondered about the current state of the hurt LX 343 with door 2L teared off by a jetway a few days ago. Was it quick repaired maybe over night, or was it necessary to rent another a/c to substitute the hurt 343?

Regards,
Patrick



Aviation! That rocks...
User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 20):
just came back from VIE this evening. Wondered about the current state of the hurt LX 343 with door 2L teared off by a jetway a few days ago. Was it quick repaired maybe over night, or was it necessary to rent another a/c to substitute the hurt 343?

Hey Patrick, currently one longhaul flight needs to get cancelled every day as long as the aircraft is damaged. On the shorter longhauls (TLV etc.) smaller aircraft will be used in the meantime as far as I know.

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 16):
Oh jesus. Nightmare come true.



Quoting Helvknight (Reply 19):
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you guys don't like FR don't use them.  Smile I find the first reactions of a possible Ryanair service to Switzerland typical if I might say so for some people here- and typical for the people in Switzerland who still live some years back! Wake up guys! It is the market which decides today and not some Swiss airline managers who decide if BSL will see a flight per day to London and 3 flights a week to Manchester. Needless to say that it would be a major blow again to the guys who thought there would be no market here and who supported LX's fatal destruction in BSL.  Wink

Regards,
RJ100  Smile



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8712 times:

So I'm guessing FR is going to call BSL Zürich (Northwest)?  stirthepot 

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8705 times:

Zürich EuroAirport  Wink . At least that's what they wanted to call it some years ago when they wanted to install a base here. I hope Mr. Rämi (airport director) in the meantime explained to MOL during a good Guinness why this would be the worst FR decision ever!  Wink


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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8702 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 21):
Quoting Helvknight (Reply 19):
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you guys don't like FR don't use them. I find the first reactions of a possible Ryanair service to Switzerland typical if I might say so for some people here- and typical for the people in Switzerland who still live some years back! Wake up guys! It is the market which decides today and not some Swiss airline managers who decide if BSL will see a flight per day to London and 3 flights a week to Manchester. Needless to say that it would be a major blow again to the guys who thought there would be no market here and who supported LX's fatal destruction in BSL.

I am personally not to hot about getting FR either. I am mainly concerned, if the local market can really support EasyJet AND Ryanair. I could very much imagine a scenario, they come mix up all the market, EasyJet goes back to GVA and finally FR gives up as well, as they fly to other airports which are nearby (FKB or FDH to name them).

I think having EasyJet using it's airport is quite a good thing, as their product is pretty much ok. Getting FR in would mean that they want special prices and extra privileges on about everything. I doubt that Euroairport can give them any other treatment than they offer EsayJet, otherwise they risk to run into problems with one of their most important customer. Would be a shame, having Ryanair at BSL but to see EasyJet go. It's good to have traffic on a airport, but not more than the markets can cater with passengers, otherwise we risk to loose all we have.

Cheers
Legacy135 Wink


25 Post contains images Lsgg : As I'm very nostalgic of the good old time, I love the all new Helvetic corporate identity ! I think it's currently the best Swiss c/s in service ! W
26 Post contains images RJ100 : Hi Legacy I have no doubts . In my opinion there are some big gaps left. We could need Dublin, some destinations in Scandinavia (completely underserv
27 Post contains images Magyarorszag : According to ZRHnerd, the 343 might be ready for Tuesday. Count me in for that. Just because I don't wanna have to fold my legs four times. How about
28 Post contains images LTU932 :
29 ME AVN FAN : great news ! 2nd Ryanair base in the region after FDH
30 ME AVN FAN : the situation for BSL with the almost monopoly of EasyJet was a bit dangerous in a way and will improve with a second player. I may be wrong but it l
31 BA : This is only partly aviation related, but does anyone have any updates on the plans to connect BSL to the Swiss railway network like ZRH and GVA are?
32 Falcon flyer : Thumbs up for the new Helvetic colors.
33 Post contains images ZRHnerd : dont worry, I wont. wahaha, what a blow that's correct. They currently cancel LAX and route LAX passengers through JFK, BOS, ORD and IAD. Why no? jus
34 BA : How does LX's current traffic numbers from ZRH compare to SR's traffic numbers from ZRH at their peak? I have many fond memories on SR, both from ZRH
35 ZRHnerd : Well, they have axed a lot of intercontinental routes from ZRH, such as TPE, PEK, PVG, ATL, MNL and others, but regarding loading factors, they are d
36 Lsgg : According to yesterday Swiss news papers, Swiss Intl want to increase his offer in GVA in reaction to easyJet spectacular rise in Swiss market. What s
37 Bizjetslover : In that case... I'm looking forward to hear a friendly "Guete Morge" from you over my airband-scanner when you come to ZRH first! Brgds Mike Steffen
38 Post contains links Magyarorszag : They should add more frequencies to LHR, thus allowing the use of bigger aircraft than at LCY. LX will add four new destination from GVA begining nex
39 Aviationmaster : Are those numbers official? If yes, then they might as well not try at all. They will end up getting bitch slapped by easyJet. I always knew that Swi
40 Post contains images Lsgg : Isn't it ? (This is ironic or not ?) Do easyJet pay the all 31.- CHF par passenger in BSL ? Or do they have a special low cost tariff ? In GVA you pa
41 Lsgg : Yes Prague and Valence as I said before and Stuttgart and Hambourg in codesharing with LH. But what more ?[Edited 2006-12-02 12:11:41]
42 Magyarorszag : EZY 28%, LX 14% and LH 9%. Cheers.
43 Post contains images Lsgg : They are, according to Swiss Intl spokesman Jurg Dinner. Swiss Intl : 14.2 % Lufthansa : 6.6 % Total : 20.8 % and easyJet : 29.7 % [Edited 2006-12-02
44 Post contains images Aviationmaster : Thanks for the infos and fast replies! Looks like LX have some catching up to do! But with a daily flight to Prague and 4 weekly flights to Valencia,
45 Post contains images Magyarorszag : Actually, I said on the original thread about Swiss at GVA, that if they want to counter EZY growth they better wake up right now ! They won't go far
46 Post contains images RJ100 : Not that there would be something left to lose for Swiss in BSL with their 2% market share this year...  And you don't need to be sorry that they le
47 Post contains images Lsgg : No doubt However around two years ago the T2 project started in GVA because precisely of an U2 threaten concerning too high fares... GVA didn't want
48 Post contains images Swissy : Cool ZRHnerd, finally someone from the "boring" country of Switzerland making a bold move..... I like U2 and I use them whenever I can, considering I
49 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : sorry, it is in German : http://www.bs.ch/tgv-via-basel.pdf and means that it will be established until 2010 -
50 Post contains links Magyarorszag : Flybaboo has 2 Dash 8-400Q + 4 options for delivery in 2007. Link Cheers.
51 Post contains images Swissy : Hell why are you not sleeping yet??? quite late in CH Hope to get a chance flying the 400Q Cheers,
52 Post contains images Magyarorszag : Late ??? Come on! It's just 23:19 on a cold and rainy Saturday. I was listening again part of this week Ken Bruce show and surfing on A.net, if you r
53 Post contains images Swissy : I am currently back in Canada (YHM) my second home, we had 60mm of rain yesterday and today -7 with windchill.... Sure it is!!! it clearly shows we a
54 Dambuster : A bit off the point but, do you think that Swiss will order the A350XWB when they need to retire their A330/340s? Also which BIG ones will they add (a
55 ZRHnerd : Interesting topic. As their longhaul fleet is fairly new, i doubt they will be going for the 773. I can see them going for either the A350XBW or the
56 BA : Thanks for that PDF. I wish I knew German... Will only Regio S-Bahn trains run through it, or will InterCity, InterRegio, ICN, etc. trains use it as
57 Swissy : Their fleet is still "young" and it all depends on how it will work out with LH, short term they will add 330/340 to go after new destinations howeve
58 HB-IWC : So did Swissair/Swiss, eventually, and some of the frames were still at very early age at the time they were retired. The last MD11 delivered to Swis
59 Post contains images Lsgg : Yes and the cool thing is that they are still considering the Embraer 170 / 190
60 Magyarorszag : Not only KL. For the moment AY is keeping the Eleven a few more years.
61 ME AVN FAN : It will be the Regio-S-Bahn from the Swiss side, but on the French side a kind of "branch-line" of the TGV Paris-Mulhouse-Basel connection. The railw
62 Post contains images Legacy135 : What is really "overdue" is to bring this road construction story in Basel to an end. Although the road access to the Euroairport was improved over th
63 Post contains images RJ100 : I can only agree. But I got used to it. I live in BSL for 26 years now and this construction is going on since ever...the problem is that this quarte
64 Post contains images Legacy135 : Thank you for this advice, I will try that next time. Once I ended up in Riehen, circumnavigating traffic jams. The problem then was to avoid getting
65 Knightsofmalta : How about we discuss Helvetic's new livery in terms of them gradually taking over all regional operations from SWISS?
66 Magyarorszag : Do you mean also taking over LX regional jets and staff ? Or just having Swiss outsource the operations ?
67 ZRHnerd : ?? That's new to me.
68 Knightsofmalta : I mean, maybe I'm completely wrong, maybe I just like a good conspiracy theory but the whole thing does look rather fishy you must admit. 1. Ebner com
69 Post contains links and images Magyarorszag : The flight are going to be operated by RJ100s. How adequate ! http://www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?k=2&i=10359 Cheers.
70 Post contains images RJ100 : Yep, they have 3 Avros based in BSL so all flights are operated with this aircraft type. It is funny that in this very same forum people bitched at me
71 LXA340 : Sooner or later LX will need to consider to replace at least it's A330 fleet and the 3 older A340's which will enter serice in the next 2 years. I gu
72 Magyarorszag : Will LX still be around by 2014 ? Don't know, but if that's the case and LH still is the owner, a common aircraft order or at least an order influenc
73 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Why should it not? Please enlighten me
74 Magyarorszag : It's not that I wish Swiss to disappear, but who knows what lays in the future ? Who could have thought ten years ago that Swissair, the pride of thi
75 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Yeah, you have a point, but let's not even think of it
76 ANITIX87 : Don't forget that Swissair operated 742's, and was the launch customer for the 743. While they are all-airbus long-haul right now, they've had a hist
77 Post contains images Magyarorszag : That was Swissair and more than twenty years ago. ZRHnerd is speaking of another airline. Don't forget that we have CO flying out of EWR daily since
78 ANITIX87 : This summer. Weird. I was sure the EY flight came in and left at night. I've seen pictures in the DB of Emirates at night, but I just checked them ag
79 BA : Thanks for the info. So I guess we won't be seeing trains from BSL to all over Switzerland like in ZRH and GVA.
80 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : as the TGV I mentioned will get into Zurich Main Rail Station (Zurich HB) effective 10th June 2007, there in a way may be at least a TGV "connection"
81 Post contains images RJ100 : I am happy for you Zürcher guys to finally see a real train in your train station! We have so many TGVs, ICEs etc. that it is simply not even worth
82 AutoThrust : That's nice idea for a Swiss thread, do you mind if i bring a new topic? : What would Edelweiss Air rahter buy the A350 or the 787? I think the 787 si
83 Post contains links and images Magyarorszag : As I don't remember the summer timetable, it may be possible that then, EY left GVA later. The following link may be useful for you. GVA Airport time
84 Post contains links and images AutoThrust : The several times i flew Edelweiss i saw how much their A332 is used. I always just wonder how many cycles it has?(I love that plane, but also experi
85 RootsAir : I read Qatar Airways want to start services to GVA. Any more news about that ?
86 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Errr, the TGV and ICE's serve Zurich main station several times a day, and we also get the Pendolino and even that Spanish high speed train, can't re
87 Knightsofmalta : Regrettably, SQ's B. 747-400 will be replaced by a B. 777-300ER at the end of January next year, when the flight will no longer be extended to MAN an
88 Magyarorszag : That's the Talgo "Pau Casals"
89 ME AVN FAN : Oh, I suppose it just is the usual Z�rich-Basel love affair.
90 Post contains images Swissy : How true that is.... It is nice to see that "we" have our little chat about the "small" Swiss aviation. Will BSL ever be like ZRH? reality, no Will B
91 LXA340 : I know that EDW had already a few major problems with it's A330. I think around 2 years ago it was out of service for like a month when it experienced
92 Post contains links and images Lsgg : Yes, twice weekly with a good old A300-600 View Large View MediumPhoto © Omar Alex Saffe - Spot This!
93 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Yes, but TG will bring their 744 in twice weekly, wahey And hey, i'll take a 773ER over a 744 anyday! ->
94 Post contains images Lsgg : Let's talk about GVA expansion. Have you ever heard about the Y1 project ? It was scheduled in the "1995-2005 GVA director Plan". It was about buildi
95 Post contains images Magyarorszag : I hope they have a very good plan to change that "ersatz" of long-haul flights terminal. It was supposed to be temporary, but it's been there since m
96 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Replacement
97 Post contains images Magyarorszag : I used the word ersatz to describe the actual terminal.
98 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Ah i see
99 Lsgg : The actual terminal, though it hat been several times improved, had been built in 1968 ! According to Robert Deillon, the new director Plan will also
100 Post contains images Lsgg : I think the Y1 project was precisely supposed to replace your "ersatz" in 2006.
101 Magyarorszag : I mean where the widebodies and LY are parked. At the far right and in front of the Swissair Centre.
102 Magyarorszag : Exactly !
103 Post contains images Lsgg : All is clear now
104 Post contains images Lsgg : About that wonderful building, it is just excellent that we have still our own Swissair Center in GVA ! How cool is to still see the gorgeous Swissai
105 ME AVN FAN : - the "new" terminal in 1968 was praised in the press as being the most modern one in Europe ! I however had liked the spectators terrace on the old
106 Post contains links and images SwissA330 : You'll always see it on www.Swissair.aero ... But I know you know that already Btw, a new site coming up: www.swiss-aviation.com BR LX330
107 Post contains images ZRHnerd : " target=_blank>www.swiss-aviation.com Nice one
108 Post contains images Magyarorszag : Thanks for the link, from where we could easily come back here ! Cheers.
109 Post contains images Lsgg : Indeed ! Very usefull, and I love the Swiss aviation logo ! A mixt of old and new... Just perfect, well done !
110 Post contains images Lsgg : Perhaps but could show us some taken from GVA, to remind us the so loved good old time ? [Edited 2006-12-04 19:53:20]
111 Swissy : Thats the link I use when I get "home sick"... very nice Thanks SwissA330 Cheers,
112 Post contains links and images BA : Oops, I've partly taken this thread off topic and it seems like I've started a Basel/Zürich war. Zürich HB already gets TGV trains via Neuchâtel an
113 Post contains images RJ100 : Maybe you should not take my posts with etc. that serious? Regards, RJ100
114 Post contains links and images Alphafloor : Nice reading about our aviation The projected Y pier is in orange. I made a (shacky) video back in 1996 from that good old terrace... SR MD11 from the
115 RootsAir : Another Topic, GVA was supposed to build a "low cost" terminal for EasyJet and other LCC's which would allow airport taxes to diminish sinificantly. H
116 Post contains images Helvknight : Do you think they will also extend the "flugzug" (direct train Basel SBB - ZRH misshing out ZH HB) to BSL when the line is opened to the airport? As
117 Post contains links and images Speedbird747 : The tarmac at BRN would pretty much be filled up with just one MD90 ! And keep in mind that the MD90 would be weight and / or passenger restricted on
118 ME AVN FAN : far too late, as that "war" has gone on for ages. Jokes like the "the best thing of XXX is the fast train back to YYY" are as old as Methusalem. the
119 Post contains images Legacy135 : It will be, indeed, but I guess (have to say I am not familiar with the MD90 performance) further than PMI it won't work anyway and the tour operator
120 Post contains images RJ100 : Although I would wish too the chance is probably small to see FHE in BRN soon. HELLO is very busy right now, in peak season they regularly need to sub
121 LXA340 : Swiss now has 11 A330 in service. HB-IQR has it's first flight today to YUL! Now the only thing which is missing in those 11 aircraft is a new cabin w
122 Post contains images Lsgg : Cool, did you run to the airport or had you already had that picture ? Simply excellent, image and sound, thanks a lot ! Brings tears to my eyes !
123 Post contains images Lsgg : The question : The answer : Also the new GVA director Plan (which is coming soon) will tell us more about the all project. One thing AF mentioned to f
124 ME AVN FAN : Strange is that it only takes place in September and October
125 Post contains images ZRHnerd : But it would be a good advice to base your sarcastic remarks on true facts Great video, brings back memories Looks like Hello is doing great. After a
126 Post contains images Speedbird747 : Indeed, they are. There is a rumour whithin Hello (sorry, can't provide any source) that they were approached by an Iranian operator for wet-lease. B
127 Post contains images Magyarorszag : That's good news. I was surprised to see that travelling from Baden to Basel SBB takes almost as long as the IC non-stop train from Zürich HB, if no
128 ZRHnerd : So, now with the second ex-LH A332 in service with LX, does anybody know which routes will be extended? I know the first LH bird was used for the addi
129 Post contains links Magyarorszag : PrivatAir Orders 787
130 LXA340 : JFK will go from 6X Weekly to daily (Flights LX016/015) Miami as well from 6x Weekly to daily Dar es Salam/Nairobi from 4x to 5x weekly Jeddah via Riy
131 Magyarorszag : It seems the SCL flight is doing pretty well !
132 ZRHnerd : Thanks for the info!
133 Post contains links Magyarorszag : OK! As a follow-up to my previous post about the company here are some more news, from our local GVA web-site, about the airline latest order as well
134 Post contains images SwissA330 : Would be great if the PrivatAir 787 would fly the LX route in full LX colors... Ok, I will wake up now...
135 RJ100 : The Ryanair rumours have now made it into the newspapers (interestingly into a Zurich newspaper). BSL airport has confirmed talks that lasted for some
136 Post contains images Lsgg : Blue ? Well, why not ? The all article :
137 Lsgg : I've heard that too, but well ZRH is a kind of expensive airport for a LCC, isn't ?
138 RJ100 : Yes it is. But nothing is decided yet and it will only happen if "unique" airport will move a lot- and then risks to get a problem with it's main cust
139 Post contains images Lsgg : AF could make some serious problems, just like in GVA and in several other european airports. Well AF is quite good at that game...
140 ME AVN FAN : - Air Berlin IS an LCC-carrier, and is very busy in ZRH. Beside the point that the airport-landing-taxes are not the only factor, there also are thin
141 RJ100 : The business models of EZY and AB are completely different. EZY's average fare is by far lower than AB's that's why EZY never will be ready to pay the
142 Helvknight : That's because the ZH- Baden - Brugg - Basel line follows the Rhine so is pretty bendy - the expresses all go over Aarau - Olten - Liestal which is m
143 ZRHnerd : I've read about EZY's return-talks to ZRH aswell, but i'm pretty convinced it wont happen. unique won't change things for easyjet or give them privile
144 ME AVN FAN : if so, then they will NOT start anything in ZRH for the time being. As simple as that. "Unique" for various reason cannot and will not lower their la
145 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Like? Park the planes on the maintenance ramp, use the airport prison as check-in facility and bus the passengers to the plane by fuel trucks?
146 Post contains links and images Lsgg : Ok more precision about U2 and ZHR : I translate this : Sorry for the mistake, still understanding I hope
147 ME AVN FAN : I don't know, but some ideas: Park the planes near the HeliGrill Use some barracks purchased from a construction company as "halls" Passengers are to
148 Post contains images RJ100 : Geneva-Bordeaux new easyJet route. AF wants the fight, AF gets the fight
149 Swissy : Agree and that is why usually LCCs stay away from "major" airports as much as possible. Saw it in YYZ but carrier caved in as he realized he needed t
150 Post contains images ZRHnerd : wahaha
151 Lsgg : That would be just excellent ! I think there is good chance that DS (EZS) will open that route soon, BOD is already deserved by U2 from LTN...
152 Speedbird747 : Would this be in direct competition to AF? Does AF have a GVA - BOD nonstop service?
153 Dens : Yes Air France operated every days flight from Geneva to Bordeaux, Toulouse, Nantes and Paris. In Summer AF operates also flights to Figari and Calvi
154 Post contains images SwissA330 : Gotta love this translation... the company cheap... Really made me laugh, it appears twice! was that google? BR, Pat
155 RJ100 : Geneva-Bordeaux by easyJet is already open for bookings. The route starts on June 29th. Air France flies BOD-GVA twice a day as well as BOD-BSL twice
156 RootsAir : no thanks! PrivaAir's livery looks much nicer than the bland one Swiss has !
157 Post contains images Magyarorszag : That could be a great opportunity to go sample their wine on the premises.
158 Post contains images RJ100 : Interesting: Today easyJet Switzerland's marketing chief says: "ZRH is no option for us right now". Never eat the soup as hot as you cook it. RJ100
159 Post contains links Magyarorszag : In todays Le Temps newspaper, there's an article (in French) about Ryanair possible entry into the Swiss market.
160 Post contains images Lsgg : Sorry I forgot to correct this ! No but to save time I used a translator software, then I read again to correct the mistakes (not all unfortunately)
161 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Just what i said
162 Post contains images SwissA330 : Are you EZY's MArketing chief???
163 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Not yet
164 Post contains images RJ100 : What?? After Moritz Suter's son now people call me marketing chief of EZY?! In fact I just read the newspaper. Regards, RJ100
165 Post contains images SwissA330 : No, ZRHNerd is marketing chief.... He said it... You're just MS' son
166 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Thats right, damn i should have go for the airline management study instead of laws
167 Post contains images RJ100 : In fact I am Michael O'Leary and just in town to announce FR services to BSL.
168 ZRHnerd : And i'm Sir Richard.
169 Post contains images Swissy : Are we running out of air??? So the quote means "ZRH will be an option" down the road.... Never less I use U2 a lot to CDG and even considering taking
170 Post contains links Lsgg : An other thread regarding swiss aviation : The Most Profitable Route Of Swiss(LX)
171 Speedbird747 : Is there currently a service between BSL and GVA? I know there has been a project to fly the route with Beech 1900. Does anyone have some information
172 Post contains images Lsgg : No Crossair flew the route four daily with ER4 in 2001, then LX flew it also four daily with ER4 in 2002 but the route had been given up since. I've
173 ZRHnerd : Domestic traffic other than GVA-ZRH just isn't lucrative enought. Even the twice daily BSL-ZRH is performing bad, BSL-GVA wouldn't be any different.
174 Post contains images RJ100 : BSL-GVA was offered by Helvetic Wings. The company did not have own aircraft so Twin Jet operated the route wit ha Beech1900. Twin Jet, by the way, op
175 Post contains images Lsgg : When was it ? I haven't found any record of this flight... The GVA-Marseille was pretty less successful and Twin Jet left GVA ! Same for BOD by the w
176 Post contains images RJ100 : What a big loss for GVA Good luck.
177 Post contains images Lsgg : Maybe but how explain a 4 daily GVA-BSL 4 years ago (5 daily 10 years ago) ? Has the market such radically changed in a so short time ?
178 Thomas_Jaeger : That was two years ago, start date of the route was June 21, 2004. It was suspended in September already. Frequency was twice daily on weekdays.
179 Post contains links and images Lsgg : I want my B1900 back ! View Large View MediumPhoto © Roel van der Velpen
180 RJ100 : Crossair feeded a lot of passengers through EuroCross in BSL. Origin and destination traffic exists but the train simply beats the aircraft on this r
181 Post contains images Lsgg : I'll call Julian Cook right now !
182 Lsgg : Thanks, I suppose that's why I haven't found any record... Well you forget Darwin, who performing well from Lugano to GVA (3 to 4 daily !) and ZRH
183 ZRHnerd : On behalf of LX, yes. But that's a whole different story. LUG-ZRH/GVA takes you through a set of mountains and valleys when travelling by car/train,
184 Post contains images RJ100 : I don't want LX back. I just feel sorry what has been done to Crossair. And if we are at it, take those 2.5 Avros based in BSL with you- we will be be
185 Post contains images ZRHnerd : As you did with the trains and B744s and stuff? I'd rather not use any arguments at all (however I did, in case you failed to notice) instead of usin
186 RJ100 : Listen, I have contributed much more to this forum already than you might like. So don't tell me how I need to behave here. Second: I did not begin an
187 ZRHnerd : And still I don't understand why you keep bitching about LX for moving most of their traffic to ZRH, as much as you pretend to hate LX, somehow you mu
188 Post contains images RJ100 : Again, I do not miss Swiss at all and I do not support their new program because it is only here to keep others away from the markets. They start the
189 Speedbird747 : Some time ago there was also an interesting project to link the secondary airports in Switzerland such as SIR, LUG, BRN etc. to ZRH and GVA with PC12
190 Post contains images Swissy : Actually I was more p.... off when MS sold them..... so it starts there.... BSL is a fine airport today and I am happy that U2 is doing so well out o
191 Post contains images RJ100 : That was above mentioned Helvetic Wings. As far as I can remember they did not get the license to operate passenger flights with the PC12. Probably t
192 Post contains images Lsgg : I don't think it's directly Swiss aviation related but since I noticed this yesterday at GVA, I take the right to ask my question there. Indeed it's t
193 Magyarorszag : Was it the left engine ? Crossair, for instance, did it too with the SAABs. AFAIK this way the propeller will be completly stopped when the aircraft
194 Post contains images Legacy135 : Depends a little bit of the aircraft. Some of them are easy to taxi on one engine, some of them real hard. There are even aircraft, you risk problems
195 Post contains images Lsgg : Thanks, all are explained know and I'm a bit less stupid !
196 Post contains links Lsgg : According to Swissinfo.org, the new contract for Swiss European pilots is on a good way. Seems that they have found a kind of solution... After the gr
197 LXA340 : Just on time for christmas Swiss Management gives every employee CHF 2000 to thank them for their cooperation during the restructuring program and obv
198 ZRH : I was away for a few weeks and did not have time for this forum. Thanks ZRHnerd for starting the thread. Regards Philipp
199 Post contains links Magyarorszag : Three links to discussions regarding Swiss Aviation and started outside the core thread. Servus. Swiss Adds 70th City To Its Network: Valencia SAA Wil
200 Ka : As a side note: VP-CCC landed about 2,5h ago in ZRH directly from TLS. What a magnificent view!! It won´t get much better! KA.
201 ZRH : Sorry for my ignorance. But what is VP-CCC? What kind of aircraft?
202 Post contains images SJUboeingGirl : I hope that I can have the opportunity to fly with SWISS air, it looks like things are going great for the airline since the merge with LH. Maybe i'll
203 Post contains images LTU932 : This businessjet:An A346 VIP aircraft. I guess it came to ZRH for getting a new interior.
204 Post contains images Lsgg : Indeed Have you read the all posts ? Is it the only route LX operate out of ZRH (from GVA) ? For your information it's SWISS International Air Lines
205 AGRflyer : I am flying on January 1, 2007 to SIN on the B747-400 and back on the B777-300ER on January 9, 2007. A good comination of great planes!
206 ZRH : I admit not having done it. Sorry, but some posts weren't worth it.
207 Post contains links Magyarorszag : Here's the link to the Swiss Aviation thread no. 2 where you could post your answers and new topics. Cheers. Swiss Aviation Thread 2 (by Magyarorszag
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