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Why No More Intl First On US  
User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5650 times:

Why did US get rid of the INTL first on the A330s? when did they get rid of it? Did anyone have the chance to fly on it? How was it! any other info would be great!

Thanks,

boeing 747-311


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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

I don't know this- but I would guess there wasn't a lot of demand for it from PHL to Europe. There are few routes across the Atlantic that can sustain First Class traffic- NYC, ORD, LAX to LHR, FRA and CDG are the major ones. Some others- such as IAH to LON, and CDG and FRA will also work. But not many- this is why CO, DL, NW and a few others have done away with First in favor of an upgraded business class. Even some European carriers have done away with First on either all (KLM, Alitalia) or some (Air France) routes.

User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Only the A330 has first class, and only one row. The a/c will be reconfigured next year.

Intl. flying will still have Envoy and economy.


User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

the seats are hard to get too. its usually resereved for chairmans preferred and full fare.


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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5493 times:

Now even Chairman's Preferred can reserve them. I believe it's full fare only. Even at it's best, F class was only ever a different menu and an extra entree choice (and some different wine). The seats were nothing special (lay flat but not suites) and the F cabin got awfully stuffy due to a lack of ventilation. I never flew US in F but have flown LA numerous times on the 340 in F which is a similar configuration. It's quite claustrophobic although some call it intimate.

Obviously, Envoy satisfies US' needs. They don't have a large enough int'l network IMO to justify 3 class service. PHL can clearly support an F class, else BA would toss another 'dusked' 767 on the route and use the 777 elsewhere!


User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

I assumed it was because they weren't filling all of the seats, but was not sure. I was told that US was not getting rid of the 1st row of envoy (the lay flat seats) because it would be difficult to add more seats. I believe they are now charging an extra three hundred to sit in these seats at the gate!


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5326 times:

US determined that it was in its best interest to ""streamline"" its product offering and focus on an improved Envoy Class.....the F product was probably more trouble than it worth being that it was only offered on the A330s with 6 seats on each aircraft.

US, like many other airlines worldwide, did not want to continue investing in an F product for which there is limited demand. In the US, CO and NW no longer F class on international flights, AA only offers F class in select markets served by the 777, etc. F class only tends to work on flights connecting key business centers......my guess is that US did OK with F class on flights to London and possibly Frankfurt, and the seats did not sell on other A330 destinations such as Paris, Rome and Manchester.

Is US planning to reconfigure the cabins on the A333s?


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5300 times:

CO gave up first class to bring around an industry changing product in the early 90s. Business/First was designed to be a business class seat with a first class service. Service from tiered carts, not trolleys.

We had first class a long time ago (our 747s/DC10s) for international flights, but that went away with Business/First.

We just need to keep up with the Jones' and not rest on our laurels.



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3048 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5274 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
......my guess is that US did OK with F class on flights to London and possibly Frankfurt, and the seats did not sell on other A330 destinations such as Paris, Rome and Manchester.

US Airways operate out of LGW for their London service and LGW is renowned for poor loads in F and J Classes. I would doubt there would be a great deal of demand of F.

Can anyone provide any further information on US Airways A330-300 new config they will doing? Will this mean a complete refurbishment of the cabin?

US Airways has always offered excellent legroom in Y on the A330-300's and operate the aircrafts with far fewer seats than they are capable of and to how other airlines fill theres. Im wondering if they will be increasing the Capacity?

Comparison of A330-300
US Airways - J 42 Seats, Y 224 Seats
Northwest - J 34 Seats, Y 264 Seats
Asiana - J 30 seats, Y 352 Seats
Cathey Pacific - J 44 Seats, Y 267 Seats
Qantas - J 30 Seats, Y 267 Seats
Korean - F 12 Seats, J 28 Seats, Y 256 Seats
Thai - J 42 Seats, Y 263 Seats.
SAS - J 54 Seats, PremY 24 Seats, Y 183 Seats


User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5261 times:

So will they put in new seats or just adjust the recline and pitch?

User currently offlineTUSaadvantage From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 8):
Asiana - J 30 seats, Y 352 Seats

Dear God! 382 seats on an A330! British puts less than that on their 744s. I know Korean people are smaller, but not that small.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3048 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 10):
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 8):
Asiana - J 30 seats, Y 352 Seats

Dear God! 382 seats on an A330! British puts less than that on their 744s. I know Korean people are smaller, but not that small.

Source of the information was SeatGuru.com, so not a typo error on my part!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 8):
US Airways operate out of LGW for their London service and LGW is renowned for poor loads in F and J Classes. I would doubt there would be a great deal of demand of F.

I am not sure that I agree.....while LGW does not attract the business crowd in general, the United States carriers that are limited to Gatwick due to Bermuda 2 tend to do OK with their premium cabins....CO keeps its BusFirst seats on Gatwick flights filled up (far better than on CDG flights, for example) and DL does well with its premium cabin, so I assume that US would have about the same results....but I do agree that F class was probably not selling very well on most routes including Gatwick.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 8):
Can anyone provide any further information on US Airways A330-300 new config they will doing?

I had the same question, it seems that US will not be doing much of anything....the former F class seats will remain for now and be sold as Envoy and are assigned to preferred customers on the basis of FF status and/or fare paid.

Quoting Jetdude (Reply 2):
The a/c will be reconfigured next year.

This is news to me, any details?


User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

First class is being removed, a reduction in Envoy seats and additional economy seats will be added.

No new style seats, just moving them around.

Sorry, I don't remember the exact number of seats per class.


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