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Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?  
User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

Could someone please explain the details of this merger. I am a little confused.

For instance, I saw a trip report that said they booked their flight PHX-ATL on US Airways but they flew on an AWA aircraft. Does US Airways now own all of AWA? Are some of their flights operated by AWA? Do they own all of the AWA aircraft? Will we ever see all of the AWA aircraft repainted in US colors? I know that US took over the AWA headquarters building in Tempe.

[Edited 2006-12-02 22:28:54]

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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Does US Airways now own all of AWA?

HP owns US. They kept the US name because i was more well known.

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Are some of their flights operated by AWA?

No flight will be designated as HP flights once the certificates merge this month.

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Do they own all of the AWA aircraft?

Some are leased some are owned.

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Will we ever see all of the AWA aircraft repainted in US colors?

Yes unless they merge with DL

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
I know that US took over the AWA headquarters building in Tempe.

Actually HP took over US they kept the US name because it is more well known than HP.


does this help?

-walter747



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User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

Thanks that does help a lot

User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 6735 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 1):
No flight will be designated as HP flights once the certificates merge this month.

This month?!?! Wow, thats news to me, Last I heard was april...where did you hear that? And do you have an exact date? I'm curious when east flights will stop being US Air flt 1823, and become Cactus flt 1823!

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 3):
This month?!?! Wow, thats news to me, Last I heard was april...where did you hear that? And do you have an exact date? I'm curious when east flights will stop being US Air flt 1823, and become Cactus flt 1823!

-Tony@PVD

www.usairways.com

and i am also located in Rhode Island  Smile



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User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Ok, so i did some searching on usairways.com, couldn't find anything, in fact nothing on the ORIGINAL merger at all! Last week I read on 'the hub'..our employee site, that April was the combined cert. date, please post the link the where you specifically saw this month, becuase that is exciting news.

Yes, PVD rocks!

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 4):
www.usairways.com

Can you provide a more of a direct link than just the company's website itself, if you will please?



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 5):
Ok, so i did some searching on usairways.com, couldn't find anything, in fact nothing on the ORIGINAL merger at all! Last week I read on 'the hub'..our employee site, that April was the combined cert. date, please post the link the where you specifically saw this month, becuase that is exciting news.

Yes, PVD rocks!

-Tony@PVD

i usually use wikipedia. sorry

Quoting source:
All of the currently operating airlines will retain their current names and continue operating until 2007. Details on how the various operations will be merged will be resolved at a future date and will need to be approved by the FAA where they affect operating procedures.

america west holdings company

it says they will be merged in 2007 sorry



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 10 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 5):
Ok, so i did some searching on usairways.com, couldn't find anything, in fact nothing on the ORIGINAL merger at all! Last week I read on 'the hub'..our employee site, that April was the combined cert. date, please post the link the where you specifically saw this month, becuase that is exciting news.

Yes, PVD rocks!

-Tony@PVD

i usually use wikipedia. sorry

Quoting source:
All of the currently operating airlines will retain their current names and continue operating until 2007. Details on how the various operations will be merged will be resolved at a future date and will need to be approved by the FAA where they affect operating procedures.

america west holdings company

it says in 2007 not sure though

and yes PVD does rock  wave 



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User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 3):
I'm curious when east flights will stop being US Air flt 1823, and become Cactus flt 1823!

They are keeping the cactus name for the skies?


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 9):
They are keeping the cactus name for the skies?

Yes, they are.



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User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 3):
This month?!?! Wow, thats news to me, Last I heard was april...where did you hear that? And do you have an exact date?

I haven't heard April as being a definite time period. April might be the goal, but they certainly won't merge the certificates until all unions have agreed on a combined contract. That process is moving along painfully slow, I think it's been at least 3 months since I've heard of any of our unions making progress towards unification.

Otherwise, everything else seems to be progressing on schedule or even a little ahead of schedule. It'll be a sad day when the last HP plane is painted in the new colors - there's not very many of them left, and most of those are the 733s.


User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 11):
Otherwise, everything else seems to be progressing on schedule or even a little ahead of schedule. It'll be a sad day when the last HP plane is painted in the new colors - there's not very many of them left, and most of those are the 733s.

actually there are quite a few.

not even half of the combined fleet is painted

http://usairways.com/awa/content/aboutus/partnersfleet/default.aspx

click under express



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 10):
Yes, they are.

Why? US Air makes a whole lot more sense to me?



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 13):
Why? US Air makes a whole lot more sense to me?

Just a little reminder of who is really running the show.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 13):
US Air makes a whole lot more sense to me?

It does make sense, but HP is the purchaser and 'Cactus' belongs to HP (now called US).

[Edited 2006-12-03 06:10:48]


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User currently offlinePhxplanes From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 12):
not even half of the combined fleet is painted

As you said it is the combined flight, it is really becoming rare to see America West planes now. As for US Airways those blue/black planes are still all over.


User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 6421 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15):

It does make sense, but HP is the purchaser and 'Cactus' belongs to HP (now called US).

Only the name if the company is US. All the stocks are under America West Holding Company.

They are keeping th cactus call sign because it was part of HP.



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User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 17):
They are keeping th cactus call sign because it was part of HP.

Yea, but don't forget Tempe is HQ, so it does still make sense to have cactus as the call sign, as everything about the company comes from the desert.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 6357 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 12):
not even half of the combined fleet is painted

But I was referring to HP's planes, of which there is about 130. All of the 319's are done, most of the 320s are done, about a third of the 752s and about 1/4 of the 733s. The whole HP fleet should be done by about March of next year.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 17):
All the stocks are under America West Holding Company.

That is not correct. America West Holdings is a subsidiary of the US Airways Group.

NS


User currently offlineJetdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

OK, I have some information here.

The certificate will merge in May of 07. And, no the unions do not have to have a merged contract by than, in fact it is assumed that at least the flight attendants will not have a merged contract by than. The company will merge and the FAs will fly as two seperate work groups until they have a merged contract.

Because this is a MERGER, no one bought anyone. The US name was used because it is better known. Cactus was used, because we went with the US name and using Cactus kept balance.

Both airlines are flying as each seperate airline (with merged schedules etc) until May of 07, than my paycheck will say US Airways, because all of the carrier will be US (than and only than). So until May of 07, you can book flights on the US airways site, but you might be on a US or HP aircraft.


User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Quoting Jetdude (Reply 21):
So until May of 07, you can book flights on the US airways site, but you might be on a US or HP aircraft.

May? Where did u hear this? Please share, thx!

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

Does anyone know when we can expect to see ex-HP aircraft flying the old US routs in the east and vice versa? Will this happen in May when the OC's are merged?

Peace  box 



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 23):
Does anyone know when we can expect to see ex-HP aircraft flying the old US routs in the east and vice versa? Will this happen in May when the OC's are merged?

Peace box

last april after the merger i saw an HP crj-700 at PVD.



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25 Gigneil : Express planes don't count. NS
26 Gift4tbone : Actually it's a crj900, and they are operated by Mesa the do the CLT routes, on weekends, and the 11A during the week. Most have been repainted alrea
27 Jetdeltamsy : No. America West now owns all of USAirways. They are all USAir flight numbers but the planes haven't been repainted, the work groups haven't been int
28 Jetdude : America West does not own US Airways, the company merged into one company. We now operate under two certificates but in May of 007 we will operate und
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