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ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12300 times:

On 02DEC06, an ANA 767 flying from Haneda to Shonai (NH895) was hit by lightning 5 times with in 50 minutes when it entered Shonai Airport airspace, as it was prepared to land.

151 pax and 8 crews on board were safe.

3 black marks were clearly seen on the fuselage.

The 767 was circling above the airport as it tried to avoid strong wind.

<全日空機>落雷5回、無事に着陸 羽田発庄内行き便 ( 毎日新聞 )
 2日午後1時から同50分にかけ、山形県酒田市の庄内空港上空で、羽田発庄内行き全日空895便(B767型機)が着陸待機中、機体に5回にわたって落雷を受けた。同機は無事に着陸、乗客151人と乗員8人にけがはなかった。

 全日空が着陸後に調べたところ、機体外側中央部に直径約1.5センチの穴が二つ開き、黒い点が3カ所見付かった。895便は強風を避けるため上空を旋回中だった。点検のため、折り返しの羽田行きは欠航となり、搭乗予定の乗客を次の便で輸送した。

 庄内空港上空では航空機への落雷がよくあるが、同一機に5回は例がないという。【粕谷昭二】

[毎日新聞12月2日]

[ 2006年12月2日22時49分 ]

[Edited 2006-12-04 00:27:53]

25 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWN230 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 341 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12217 times:

The wind needs anger management. Big grin lol


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User currently offlineJdl1527 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12175 times:

That must have been one shocking experience, or rather five.

User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 739 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12078 times:

According to statistics, airplanes get hit by lightning once every year. This not only shows that they were rather unlucky on that flight, but also brings to mind a big question about the new generation CFRP airplanes. The metallic mesh they will be carrying, is designed to take the energy of the lightning and evaporate, leaving that part of the aircraft unprotected, until replaced. This means, in a case like this 767, the people on board a new CF made jetliner could be in serious trouble.


I'd rather die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather, not terrified and screaming, like his passengers
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30537 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12059 times:
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But lightning never strikes twice in the same place, Kaneporta1.  Wink

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12055 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):

Nice job with the translation.
This time of the year, there are frequent lightning on the Sea of Japan side. Weird that, one typically assumes lightning with summer/spring storms.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11728 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
But lightning never strikes twice in the same place

Quite true, but as the aircraft was not in the same place at any one time thats ok, right? Big grin


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11546 times:

Was the Aircraft not able to avoid Bad weather.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30537 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11494 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Was the Aircraft not able to avoid Bad weather.

The translation of the report says the plane was circling Shonai waiting for winds to die down so I imagine it couldn't vacate the storm area.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11485 times:
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Wow, I have been on board with one lightning strike, I can imagine that 5 together with the weather was not a fun ride for the pax.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11476 times:

Any pics of the damage available.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11326 times:

Sounds like a good tidbit for Ripley's Believe It Or Not cartoon. Glad to hear that all aboard were safe and sound.  Big grin


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User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1776 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11066 times:

I wouldnt like to have been on that plane  Wow!


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10875 times:
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Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 3):
The metallic mesh they will be carrying, is designed to take the energy of the lightning and evaporate, leaving that part of the aircraft unprotected, until replaced.

That cannot be right since the metal mesh is imbeded in the cabon fiber layers. If the metal evaporates after a lightning strike, it would mean having to scrap the aircraft.


User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 913 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10866 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Was the Aircraft not able to avoid Bad weather.
regds
MEL



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
Any pics of the damage available.
regds
MEL

Question marks can make your questions *sound* like questions and not demands.

Those people were very unlucky! After the first one or two I would have got the hell out of the area!


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10670 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 13):
That cannot be right since the metal mesh is imbeded in the cabon fiber layers. If the metal evaporates after a lightning strike, it would mean having to scrap the aircraft.

It is not "embedded" in the layers, but as a screen that is the top-most layer in the lay-up. There are film adhesives that come with the metal screen to be used during repairs/fabrication.

We had a 767 take a couple of hits coming into MIA last summer, and it was a PIA to repair the damage to the aileron. It looks like someone set off a cherry bomb on the trailing edge. Airplane left 16 hours later after several repairs.


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

Now we know the type to fly with confidence in T-storms.!


747SP
User currently offlinePacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9515 times:

Something not mentioned in the translation is that two holes the diameter of 1.5cm were found somewhere in the middle part of the fuselage.

Scary stuff - 5 strikes!


User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8251 times:

I was in a 747 over the Med when we flew into a T-Storm. We got hit at least 7 times over twenty minutes. Not something I enjoyed at all.

-Check


User currently offlineBEYauty From Lebanon, joined Aug 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 18):
I was in a 747 over the Med when we flew into a T-Storm. We got hit at least 7 times over twenty minutes. Not something I enjoyed at all.

So what does it feel like inside the plane?


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

Does it shake in the plane when you are hit?

Eitherway Jimyvr, very nice translation!!!



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User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 2528 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting BEYauty (Reply 19):
So what does it feel like inside the plane?



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 20):
Does it shake in the plane when you are hit?

I was flying a King Air B100 a couple years ago and we got nailed by two strikes, one blew out a rivet in the bottom of the wing. Scared the hell out of us, but we were OK. As I recall, it was more of a big "pop" than anything else, it wasn't as violent as you might think.

Drwe



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User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 3):
This means, in a case like this 767, the people on board a new CF made jetliner could be in serious trouble.

And that's why they are being designed with lightning in mind!



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User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Huh... after three strikes, I'd sorta wonder what I did to piss off the big man upstairs...


The GoodDoctor
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9176 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 23):
I'd sorta wonder what I did to piss off the big man upstairs...

Maybe the plane "invaded his privacy?"  Wink

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 3):
This not only shows that they were rather unlucky on that flight, but also brings to mind a big question about the new generation CFRP airplanes. The metallic mesh they will be carrying, is designed to take the energy of the lightning and evaporate, leaving that part of the aircraft unprotected, until replaced. This means, in a case like this 767, the people on board a new CF made jetliner could be in serious trouble.

Yeah, in that case, that's not really much of a safety standard. Another truth to the falacious saying "lightning never strikes the same thing/place twice." Of course, the Empire State Building comes to mind here, and now airplanes should also come to mind!



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 25, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 3):
This means, in a case like this 767, the people on board a new CF made jetliner could be in serious trouble.

You are referring to the 787 and the new A350XWB with composite panels? I suspect the OEM's have given this some serious thought.



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