HPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 18830 times:
Quoting Aviacentre (Thread starter): a Frontier Airlines ramp agent was putting the wedges around the wheels of a plane to stop it at the gate.
Sorry for this to happen to the ramper, but this does sound a little fishy. Why would the ramper be putting chocks ("wedges", WTF?) on a plane that was still moving? I could maybe understand if he/she was 3 feet or so, slipped, and because the entire area was icy, slipped all the way underneath the tires, but I would think that would a little extreme. US recently changed ramp safety procedures so that chocks can no longer be inside the safety circle while the plane was pulling into the gate. The chocks are to be brought in after the plane has come to a full stop. I don't know what F9's ground ops manual currently says about chock placement, but I'm sure this will cause them to review and adjust if necessary.
TUSaadvantage From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18758 times:
With the ever increasing size of Americans, and all of that fancy F9 IFE, I would imagine that it would have hurt a great deal. It seems like ice related accidents should happen more often than they do. With 1000s of aircraft movements occuring at icey airports everyday, I would imagine lots of slippages and broken bones would happen. Anyway, I hope the guy's leg isn't permanently out of comission.
DavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18537 times:
ouch. Uggh I can't imagine how much that would hurt.
I remember one time when an aircraft pulled into the gate and I was putting the chocks on the nose gear. Well the plane stopped on the mark and I was on my way to put the chocks on and all of a suddent the aircraft started to roll forward. What had happened was the PIC's seat had slid back and his feet came off the brakes. So the F/O had to jump on them. It was scary for sure.
Anyway I hope this Ramper's leg is okay!!
Please be careful out there guys.
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F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17719 times:
This is very sad news indeed. Anyone that gets hurt on the ramp is very hard, especially as close as the F9 ramp is as a team. The most powerful message sent in this incident is, that the ramp job is a dangerous job. In icy conditions, it is beyond important to use extra caution. I WOULD IMAGINE that the ramper was chocking the forward nose gear, and if the ramper was holding the chocks in the arms or hands, it adds extra top body weight. In that case, a slip on ice increases the lower body momentum. I was carrying chocks once on a slippery deicing fluid on the ground, and took a slip that almost caused a back injury (not with Frontier btw). Thank goodness the aircraft was not pulling into the gate, as we were just setting up for an arrival. I am obviously taking a guess at the situation, as I have no idea on how it happened. Without knowing the specifics, I have always frowned upon anyone standing in the circle of safety when an aircraft is approaching the line.
I certainly hope the ramper is okay, and I hope for a speedy recovery. Most importantly, I hope his leg is given a clean bill of health.
HP had a few unfortunate cases, but IIRC the leg injuries happened during pushback. These situations cause good argument to those that think the ramp job is easy. Rampers earn every penny and dime on the job.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17518 times:
Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 3): I don't know what F9's ground ops manual currently says about chock placement, but I'm sure this will cause them to review and adjust if necessary.
F9 has the same protocol as HP/US when chocking aircraft. Unfortunately, sometimes procedures get forgotten, especially when rampers get comfortable with the job. When you work a gazillion flights, one tends to get fancy or get rushed, and sometimes fancy and rushing can get one hurt. I say this, because any injury I have ever faced was because I was too comfortable, and did not follow procedure. Another injury as a great example was when I hurt my back. I did not bend at the knees, because it was a wimpy little duffel bag. Sadly, the duffel bag was full of bowling balls. OUCH!!! The result of the investigation found fault on my part, and I learned a valuable lesson. Luckily, every lesson I have ever learned, found me recovering fully.
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17432 times:
Quoting Aviacentre (Thread starter): Quote:
...a Frontier Airlines ramp agent was putting the wedges around the wheels of a plane to stop it at the gate.
The employee slipped on ice and the nose gear of the aircraft rolled over his leg, officials say.
Officials at DIA say the employee suffered a severe leg injury and was taken to the hospital, with assistance from paramedics at DIA.
Now I don't want to jump to conclusions, because I know how much the media sucks at reporting aviation-related stories like not knowing the difference between a gate and a runway. But if this part of the story is true, what was the guy doing trying to chock the aircraft while it was still moving?
Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 4): With the ever increasing size of Americans, and all of that fancy F9 IFE
Because getting run over by a plane weighing 110,000 lbs. hurts so much less getting run over by a plane weighing 115,000 lbs.
United777atGU From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16710 times:
I, too, wish the F9 ramper the best during this traumatic time... I think most people have covered what I would like to say.
I do want to make a comment on one of my greatest worries: hydraulic fluid and planes collapsing. You know those pics in the database with planes on their booties (butt) or noses? That can be caused by hydraulic fluid, among other causes. I always fear that when I walk under a plane (any plane of course, but particularly under widebodies--767, 777, 747), it will just collapse the moment I get right in the middle and I won't be able to run away. In the winter, we all (not all, but most of us at UA IADCG) like to go under the plane to warm up because it shoots out such hot air! It feels good when its about 0 degrees F outside!!
DCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16370 times:
Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 13): A friend of mine was telling me what a bus did to a woman's head when the rear duals rolled over it. "Flat as piss on a plate," he described it as.
I pray that no one has to EVER see something like that. In July or August I witnessed a 54 year old man, on I-5 mile marker 79 or 80 (you can find the report on the Washington State Trooper's website under press releases), riding his Harley Davidson 1 car length in front of me have his brakes lock at 80 miles per hour and his motorcycle flip with his head and right arm landing under the rear duals of a semi truck. I skidded through his brain and part of his remaining body in my new Silverado. I can only imagine what the front gear of a jet would do to your body. I pray for this F9 worker.
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FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15435 times:
Quoting FXramper (Reply 9): I hope the airline doesn't try to withhold any funds for hospitalization.
I really hope so too. I would hope they would feel for this guy, who is a member of their family, and this being the holidays.
Quoting Phatfarmlines (Reply 15): Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 4):
With the ever increasing size of Americans, and all of that fancy F9 IFE, I would imagine that it would have hurt a great deal.
I don't think it would make any difference if it was with or without payload.
I think a 140 passenger aircraft is sufficiently larger in proportion to a human leg that it doesn't matter if it if loaded or not.
I wish this guy, who was just doing his best at his job, the speediest of recoveries and best of wishes. Even if he got fancy and careless in his job, he was doing the best he could, trying to get the job done as quick as he could, as I'm sure he was busy. I think we will need more facts on this to truly understand exactly what happened anyhow.
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Kaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15167 times:
I'm sure the guy wasn't stupid enough to chock the aircraft while it was moving. rather he walked up to the airframe ready for when it did stop.
A British Airways engineer in South Africa not too long ago had the same happen, the main wheel rolled over his leg after he fell over infront of the approaching aircraft. They had to amputate his leg.
I'm always cautious when approaching a moving aircraft but no one should start calling this guy an idiot unless they were there and knew exactly what the guy was trying to do.
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