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New CEO KLM: "Blue Will Remain Blue"  
User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1931 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8993 times:

KLM's new CEO, Peter Hartman said some things in Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf about AF-KLM.

He said that the new group is experiencing much more synergy every day. However, he says that KLM is still a seperate airline within the group. "It isn't so that Air France picks our planes. You don't expect us to accept planes which didn't fit the KLM network" he said.

He ended with this interesting statement: "The name will remain KLM, blue will remain blue, that's my mission".

Hmm, wonder how this will be received within the group.

Cheers!  wave 


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8921 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Thread starter):
"The name will remain KLM, blue will remain blue, that's my mission".

I hope they don't change....I love the KL Blue... Smile


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User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8814 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
I hope they don't change....I love the KL Blue...

Me too!

Cheers.


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3352 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8816 times:
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I really love his quote from Luchtvaart Nieuws: “Maar de naam zal KLM blijven, blauw blijft blauw, dat is mijn missie.”

Best quote I could ever read. KLM deserves to keep their name and keep their colour!

Leo



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8778 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
I hope they don't change....I love the KL Blue...

Love it myself.

"blue will remail blue" Way to go CEO guy. Big grin



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User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8779 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 3):
KLM deserves to keep their name and keep their colour!

Definitely, as one of the oldest (the oldest?) airlines they have a rich history.

I can't imagine why the French would want to change KLM's identity, I'm sure KL would lose many valuable Dutch customers, and the product and brand are fine as they are.

I like the blue livery too!  Smile



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

Quoting EFHK (Reply 5):
Definitely, as one of the oldest (the oldest?) airlines they have a rich history.

Indeed THE oldest airline in the world (still operating under their original name)



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8570 times:

Three cheers for the CEO... KLM's planes are KLM's planes.. you can tell one the instant you see it.. there's NO reason to change that lovely, simple, clean livery from some euro white POS


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6517 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8535 times:

I don't believe that AF has ever said it wanted to change the KLM name or color. Everthing is working wonderfully,who would want to change that? I know one member of this board has been predicting dire things since the AF/KL merger but not one has ever happened. I'm sure the statement made by the new CEO is nothing new.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8474 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 7):
Three cheers for the CEO... KLM's planes are KLM's planes.

Ditto......I am glad to hear this. Frankly, I was expecting to see the opposite in the coming years.

Hartman is a good man!

Thomas



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User currently offlineOhsopc From Thailand, joined Jul 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8387 times:

but airfrance is also blue! (although a little darker)

User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

G´day

Quoting LifelinerOne (Thread starter):
He said that the new group is experiencing much more synergy every day. However, he says that KLM is still a seperate airline within the group. "It isn't so that Air France picks our planes. You don't expect us to accept planes which didn't fit the KLM network" he said.

Joint purchasing is just one synergy, albeit an important one. AF and KL fleets do not differ that much either, I do not see any that AF may select which doesn´t fit KL´s network. My conservative understanding of the way business is done is that whoever owns the business and hands out the $$$ usually calls the shots.


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This ain´t pink either, so presumably this will remain blue too.

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8100 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Thread starter):
"The name will remain KLM, blue will remain blue, that's my mission".

Considering that the Air France-KLM group just picked-up Transavia as the brand for a new French low-cost, I don't think the group has any intention what so ever to abandon the KLM brand.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8035 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
I hope they don't change....I love the KL Blue...



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Hahaha, Jacobin777 what's up. You just make me laugh each time I see you use the same KL 777 photo. I know it is your photo so you must be very proud of it which is good of course. I just find it funny to see someone use the exact same photo every time over and over again, haha. Two thumbs up for you  Smile

A388


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 13):

Hahaha, Jacobin777 what's up. You just make me laugh each time I see you use the same KL 777 photo. I know it is your photo so you must be very proud of it which is good of course. I just find it funny to see someone use the exact same photo every time over and over again, haha. Two thumbs up for you  Smile

Hey A388..well.you can't blame me... Wink

I just think KL's Blue colours, especially the 777's are one of the prettiest in the world... Smile

If AF brings the A380 to SFO and is discussed, I'll be happy to post A380 photos too.. Smile



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User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3352 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7797 times:
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"On 30 September 2003, Air France and KLM announced that they would in future be known as Air France-KLM. This entity was first offered on the Amsterdam Stock Exchange on 5 May 2004. The takeover of KLM by Air France marked the end of the oldest independent airline in the world. The Royal adjective will likely remain for the foreseeable future. Its independent identity is guaranteed to 2008, but eventually it is anticipated that its operations will be merged into those of the French company."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM

Leo



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7725 times:

I just did some reading up on KLM. Didn't realize the history behind great airline. Now I am wishing Air France didn't buy them. My mom was born in Curacao, therefore I grew up hearing about KLM and ALM, just didnt realize it was such an iconic airline.

The name and colour definitely needs to be kept.



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User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7620 times:

Hello,

Quoting Captaink (Reply 16):
Didn't realize the history behind great airline. Now I am wishing Air France didn't buy them

What is wrong with that ?


User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

The day KL eliminates blue from itself i'll retire from aviation and never fly them again. LOL

But i'm glad that this new CEO actually insists on KL "independency" from Air France.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
just think KL's Blue colours, especially the 777's
are one of the prettiest in the world...

I know!! It's such...royal :P

Cheers



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User currently offlineLexer From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7158 times:

At present, AF/KL is testing the market on the strentgh and perception of their brands. I received some online survey from the Flying Blue programme full of questions on the KLM brand name, should it stay, should it not, why, etcetera. This doesnt mean that they will change the brand name but they are clearly trying to find out what the response would be..

User currently offlineReverseThrust From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

I completely agree with the KLM CEO - as a frequent flyer with KLM myself I love it's identity and the colour scheme. It stands out and you know when it's around. There mere thought of it being lost in a big alliance is enough to make anyone shudder!

Blue rules!

Reverse



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User currently offlineCHabu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6848 times:

Hiya,

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 9):
Frankly, I was expecting to see the opposite in the coming years

In the (Dutch) aviation scene i think we all do.....

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 15):
Its independent identity is guaranteed to 2008, but eventually it is anticipated that its operations will be merged into those of the French company

..... so we have to wait and see what will happen in 2008.

I'll settle for some hybrid painted aircraft at AMS...  Wink

Perhaps even an AFR A380 based at AMS...  hyper 

CU.


User currently offlineSteph001 From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6848 times:

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 17):
What is wrong with that ?

European nations tend to consider the flag carriers as a part of their cultural heritage. Although there are obvious synergies in the AF/KL merger, some may be afraid that a part of the dutch culture in the sky will disappear and will be replaced by a company with no real cultural identity. I have been several times on KLM planes and love KLM, but I also think that cash is cash and will decide on the future of the company or the brand.

Hope this helps, Stepph


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

Love the KLM colours and don't see any reason why they should change them. They are known internationally and can be spotted from miles away. Good for him, stick to your guns


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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 16):
Now I am wishing Air France didn't buy them. My mom was born in Curacao, therefore I grew up hearing about KLM and ALM, just didnt realize it was such an iconic airline.

If AF hadn't bought KLM then it probably be in pretty deep poo by now and possibly not far off going the same way as Swissair and Sabena. They were incurring heavy losses and had been spending most of the 1990s trying to find an alliance partner, project Alcazar, BA and Alitalia. AF might not be ideal but will keep the airline and it's people flying.


25 LHStarAlliance : Would be a pity to see disappear this great colors , they should do it as LH has done with LX .
26 Post contains images USADreamliner : Blue will stay blue... Same as UTA will stay UTA: ...Air Inter will stay Air Inter: ...Airlinair will stay Airlinair: ...Air Littoral will stay Air Li
27 Captaink : It is no long the oldest independent airline in the world. Just for that reason really. Business is business and the prime objective is to stay in bu
28 Mindscape : Hello Steph001, Thanks for your reply, but i am afraid to misunderstand. From what i read, I understand that AF, another flag carrier, has no cultural
29 Btriple7 : Don't be so cynical. AF is not so stupid as to dwindle away the well-founded brand of KLM. AF knows that the KLM brand has a long and colorful histor
30 Access-Air : No offense, but the photo isnt that hot....For one thing, its backlit so the blue colors are not lit up by the sun....Secondly, the hill is in front
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Who said it was "the best" shot anyway? If it was a top-tiered photo.it would be on Airliners.net and not myaviation.net.. Also, as the comments stat
32 Post contains images Sllevin : Blue will stay blue, alright....right on the tail in the AF logo Steve
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