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Why No 737s Across The Atlantic?  
User currently offlineContinental123 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15142 times:

I know that CO 752 from EWR to various airports in Europe but have they or any other airline thought about or has flown the 737 transatlantic. Besides PrivatAir, I can think of no other airline.

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User currently offlineFlyGuyDTW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15142 times:

I heard that CO was thinking about flying the 739 to Ireland in the near future, but you know how rumors are!!!

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15115 times:

Quoting Continental123 (Thread starter):
Europe but have they or any other airline thought about or has flown the 737 transatlantic

Besides the ones mentioned, none that I'm aware off. I believe the A320 was supposed to have been used on trans-Atlantic services from a North African city to Canada but that's about it.



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User currently offlineSkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15100 times:

I'm guessing it is either because there is no demand for a 737 (it doesnt work out economically) or it may have something to do with ETOPS. BTW remember that Delta flies 737's cross country and they seem to be seat limited flights. I've been on soldout flights that the airline says it is a full flight yet there always seems to be a few middle seats empty so I'm guessing that it is likely just becuase it isn't feasible and it is just easier to run a full 757.


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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15094 times:

Isn't LH 412/413 a B737-700 flying from MUC to EWR??


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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15074 times:

flyGlobespan have, in recent weeks used a 738W on GLA-SFB and MAN-YYZ, albeit via St Johns. Their GLA-BOS service which starts next year will also use a 738W.

Gaz



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3762 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15031 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 2):
Besides the ones mentioned, none that I'm aware off. I believe the A320 was supposed to have been used on trans-Atlantic services from a North African city to Canada but that's about it.

Most likely Tunisair you are thinking of, there was some talk of flying the A319LR to YUL from TUN IIRC!  Smile

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 4):
Isn't LH 412/413 a B737-700 flying from MUC to EWR??

As Continental123 said, PrivatAir fly a few transatlantic routes for LH, KLM and LX (.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15011 times:

Quoting FlyGuyDTW (Reply 1):
I heard that CO was thinking about flying the 739 to Ireland in the near future, but you know how rumors are!!!

A 739 wouldn't cut it. A 739ER might. They'd have to have one delivered, first.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 4):
Isn't LH 412/413 a B737-700 flying from MUC to EWR??

No, all LH services by PrivatAir are A319LRs.

PrivatAir does operate BBJ services on behalf of KLM.

NS


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 14968 times:

A 737-700ER would make it trans-pond due to it's 4000nm range... I could only imagine the cost and it would be at a significant cargo disadvantage..


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 14823 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
Most likely Tunisair you are thinking of, there was some talk of flying the A319LR to YUL from TUN IIRC!

Yeah that's the one, thanks B742!



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14780 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 7):
No, all LH services by PrivatAir are A319LRs.

Wrong, According to their website those flights are in fact on the 737/bbj.

http://www.privatair.com/airline_services/currentservices.html


User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14756 times:

Icelandair has flown the 737 on a number of North Atlantic flights.

User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14471 times:

When I was at EWR yesterday morning, we taxied past a couple of
CO 738s that had "ETOPS" written next to the aircraft number on the
nosegear.

Where would CO fly these aircraft to require ETOPS certification? Their
Micronesia service? Don't those aircraft still say Continental Micronesia?



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User currently offlineMitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14406 times:

A good portion of CO's EWR-Caribbean network is ETOPS, for example EWR-SJU.

User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14382 times:

Quoting Mitchell Gant (Reply 13):
A good portion of CO's EWR-Caribbean network is ETOPS, for example EWR-SJU.

But why? I understand the "extended over the water" requirements that
let the aircraft fly further out off the Atlantic coastline. But on a EWR to
SXM or SJU flight, what is the farthest away from an airport an aircraft
would be? Aside from the coastline, there's also Bermuda and the Bahamas.



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User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 543 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14330 times:

I would imagine that most of the 737's operating in Europe, Africa, and parts of Asia have at one time crossed the Atlantic, unless Boeing has a secret EU facility...which I highly doubt.

User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3292 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14312 times:
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Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 15):
I would imagine that most of the 737's operating in Europe, Africa, and parts of Asia have at one time crossed the Atlantic, unless Boeing has a secret EU facility...which I highly doubt.

I doubt those aircraft have to be ETOPS as they are on delivery flights, and are flown smaller distances. IIRC a usual route for a 737 delivered to Europe would be BFI-some airport in the midwest-Gandor-Reykyevik-Scotland-Final destination, but it's always subject to fuel, airport fees, aircraft type, etc. I could be completely wrong about the route, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that here somewhere.

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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14303 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 14):
But why? I understand the "extended over the water" requirements that
let the aircraft fly further out off the Atlantic coastline. But on a EWR to
SXM or SJU flight, what is the farthest away from an airport an aircraft
would be? Aside from the coastline, there's also Bermuda and the Bahamas.

One of the reasons the flights have to run as ETOPS segments is due to Bermuda CFR not being available at all hours of the night. Otherwise...

All of the 737NGs have the ETOPS noted on the nosegear doors.

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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14282 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 7):
A 739 wouldn't cut it. A 739ER might. They'd have to have one delivered, first.

Yeah a 739ER could make it both ways. EWR - DUB is 2774nm. 739ER range is 3200nm



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User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14238 times:

Who on earth is willing to cross the Atlantic on a 737 ????? BBJ ok but regular 737, no way !
As I can see on A.net, almost everyone is complaining about 757 across the pond. That's why I don't see the point here because both have the same Width but the 73 is shorter......


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14197 times:

SAS Braathens is rumored to use a 737-700ER across the Atlantic to EWR, but is not allowed to by SAS since it will compete against the SAS Intercontinental flights.


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User currently offlineSX36 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14184 times:

Do you really want to ride in a 737 across the atlantic? That's the real question.


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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14177 times:

well IIRC, AC is sending either a a320 or a319 to London from eastern canada... why couldn't a 737 work just as well... personaly I won't ride the 757 accross, let alone the 737.. but that's me... I guess I just want a j class seat...


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User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14058 times:

Astraeus does fly across the Atlantic. I believe they have their LGW-YDF flights and IIRC they were planning a YYT flight as well.

User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14018 times:

Shhhh!!! Don't give the airlines ideas!!!!  Wink

Wasn't westjet thinking of a transatlantic route a while back with 737's? or am I smoking crack again?



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25 SK A340 : Isn't the new ARN-KEF route with SK going to be operated by a 737? Although not a trans Atlantic flight it still crosses the pond (at least a bit...)
26 Bwaflyer : AEU will be restarting YDF (Deer Lake) flights from LGW on bog standard 148 seat 737-700s (no winglets, no extra fuel tanks). They are capacity limit
27 Post contains images Par13del : Quoting HBJZA reply 19 "Who on earth is willing to cross the Atlantic on a 737 ????? BBJ ok but regular 737, no way ! As I can see on A.net, almost ev
28 Bobnwa : You must read a different A.net than I do.
29 RobK : Yes, those are not ETOPS flights because they're not carrying pax. Typical 737 delivery routes across the Pond are : Ryanair BFI-DUB non-stop Europa/
30 Logos : Actually a buddy of mine used to be the Boeing rep for Air Berlin and would have to fly those delivery flights. With a load of about 10 people (or le
31 Irobertson : A lot of people take Southwest on flights that would be longer than YYT or YDF to SNN, DUB, LHR, or other destinations in the UK. Can't see how it can
32 2travel2know : If the numbers are there, I wouldn't be surprised to see CO flying B737-700 or 900ER from EWR to SNN, DUB, BFS, EDI, GLA and new destinations like ORK
33 Sinlock : I have never understood that argument. The way I see it, 31 inch pitch in a 17 inch seat is the same nomatter if it's in a 737NG or a 747/A340. The o
34 CaptainStorck : I have ridden on an Icelandair 737-400 from KEF-LUX. Seemed like a long time to me for a coach class narrow body ride, but it wasn't too bad.
35 PavlovsDog : Why not? Until the advent of the 747, DC10 and L1011 we regularly crossed the pond in similarly sized 707s AND DC8s.
36 Mk777 : Well yesterday LH 412/413 was a 737-700!! Thanks rob, didn't know privatair flies for LH!!
37 Awthompson : No, I see a slight difference. When you want to go for a walk to stretch your legs (important on a long flight due DVT risk), it's more difficult on
38 AirTran717 : I have to chime in on this one. AirTran has 737-700's and maybe a few 800's by now. I left the company last November, so I'm a little out of the loop
39 AirTran717 : Also, our birds had a new config, deleting the aft galleys... you practically could have a dance floor in the back... plenty of room to stretch. 717
40 RobK : ETOPS would be necessary unless the plane was planning on flying close to the Canadian coast, Greenland and Iceland, which, from MCO (eg.), wouldn't
41 SK601 : I saw a EI B737 a couple of years ago in ORD. Don't know if it was from DUB, ORK or SNN. I was quite surprised to see it. Don't know if EI still uses
42 Wdleiser : Seat size is still the same, aisle size still the same, whats the difference between a 747 or a 737 crossing the pond, besides the fact the 737 unloa
43 LHStarAlliance : No , sometime ago I saw a 737 of Privatair in MUC to EWR
44 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Found these with a cursory search, some dated, but some recent info to add to this conversation . . . http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...=1917998&
45 Runway23 : For them to fly 737s to ORD they'd need to still have some. Their fleet of 737s has been gone for some time now.
46 747400sp : Please do not insult transatlantic travel like that! The 757 should be the smallest airliner going across the atlantic.
47 SK601 : O.K., didn't know that.
48 Beech19 : Not trying to bust your bubble but its not like the Atlantic is some sort of Holy Grail. Millions of people cross it each year on thousands of flight
49 Post contains links and images DHHornet : In the real world. Not the Airliners.net one. People don't give a toss what aircraft they are flying on. Most don't even see the outside of the plane
50 LY777 : I hope I will never cross the Atlantic in a 737!!!
51 VS11 : What is the big deal to fly a 737 over the Atlantic? Flying time from Boston to London is less than the flying time from Boston to Los Angeles. Delta
52 Awthompson : You are quite right. Really we need to remember that we aviation folk only account for a tiny percentage of air travellers. Really most people I know
53 2travel2know : MVD (34°50'18"S 56°01'51"W) PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) 5447 km Here is the longest standard B737-700 flight, CM MVD-PTY, compared with selected T
54 Connies4ever : Oh grow up...many's the time I've crossed the pond in 707s and DC-8s. Longest sector I did was LHR-YWG in an AC DC-8 (8h10m) and it was fine. No PTV,
55 Grantcv : If an airline started offering service across the Atlantic in a B737, I would book my flight on some other airline. Flying across the US in a B737 is
56 HPAEAA : Well everyone's diffrent, if I have a say, I prefer the larger cabin and more open feel to widebodies... seat pitch may be the same, but on a long fl
57 HBJZA : If I agree to grow up, you should agree to get real and follow evolution...
58 LY777 : 6.5 hours in a 737?! It is impossible for me!!!for me, the maximum in a 737 is 3hours.And for the 757, the maximum is 5 hours(TLV-CDG is the max for
59 Connies4ever : Is it evolution or devolution ? Why is it that people HAVE to have AVOD or IFE or whatever, even on a flight of 2 hrs or less ? What about sticking y
60 SKA380 : Braathens and SAS also gets their 737's flown nonstop from BFI.
61 Bobnwa : What % of passengers flying trans-atlantic, know what type of aircraft they will be on nor care? I would suggest an insignificant %. An even smaller
62 Post contains images DrP : 738's can easily make it to the UK from BFI with 1 tech stop (BGR/YQX, etc) - no need for any more. IIRC FR fly BFI-REK-LTN with just 1 crew
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