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BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8675 times:

British Airways announced the introduction of 8th daily flight to New York JFK (since 02DEC, but announced on 04DEC)

The new flight...

BA172 JFK0800-1945LHR
BA173 LHR1855-2135JFK

This complements BA178 from JFK as the 2nd daily morning flight to LHR. This is the 8th daily to JFK and the 11th to New York Metro area (3 to EWR).

BA172/173 is the only 777 flight as the other 7 JFK round-trip are 744s for the time being. (BA176/113 show 777 from January 2007)

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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8631 times:

More capacity on LHR-JFK???

I must thank BA at JFK as they helped me out recently but the last thing they need is another flight to deal with. they have such a small terminal area in T7. They need alot more desks than they currently have!



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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

They are actually filling 7+ B744s per day with all the competition on the route??

User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8159 times:

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 2):
They are actually filling 7+ B744s per day with all the competition on the route??

Not all flights are 744s.....at least 2 of the services are 777 and yes, the load factors are pretty high, particularly in the premium cabins where it matters most.


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8110 times:

Very impressive. I wonder if BA is trying to start the world's first trans-Atlantic hourly shuttle.....

I remember when I was at JFK this summer meeting people I was surprised to see 2 or 3 747s parked side by side.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8046 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
British Airways announced the introduction of 8th daily flight to New York JFK (since 02DEC, but announced on 04DEC)

... but announced already once earlier and extensively dicussed here:

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/read.main/2861973


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8375 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7944 times:
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JFK is the only place where British Airways owns their terminal(Lease the land). AT LHR they lease the terminal space, JFK is the only place where BA does this. JFK is BA's most important route. Many BIZ types fly BA because they used to fly Concorde and they find their schedule and service better tehn the competitions.

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

Sounds like perfect route for A380 Superjumbo  Wink

User currently offlineSimProgrammer From France, joined Aug 2004, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7874 times:

and the way Willie Walsh is going, that might just happen.


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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Sounds like perfect route for A380 Superjumbo

You would think so. This is a precise benefit of the A380 - consolidate multiple jumbos on heavy density routes and particularly at airports with capacity problems. E.g. BA, CX, QF - all oneworld partners have almost 8 B744s per day operating between HKG and LHR, many within minutes of one another.


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7791 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Sounds like perfect route for A380 Superjumbo

no it doesn't. Customers on this route want flexibility and the multiple frequencies that BA offers gives them this. Reducing frequency to use the A380 wouldn't be attractive to customers.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 10):

no it doesn't. Customers on this route want flexibility and the multiple frequencies that BA offers gives them this. Reducing frequency to use the A380 wouldn't be attractive to customers.

 checkmark ..that's what I've been saying,but Danny for some reason has a different view on this...which is ok...because we know he's wrong......Danny, don't hate me for speaking the truth... Smile duck 



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User currently offlineSimProgrammer From France, joined Aug 2004, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7590 times:

BA wont decrease frequency with the A380, they will increase capacity.

It has a lower CASM than the current 744's and T7's on the route and the A380 gives BA the scope to increase capacity from slot-restricted LHR & offer more competitive fares on the route.

Every BA JFK run is almost always been full, and J/F is full every time.

With BA its not a case of IF they order the A380, its when.



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

I am sure if BA got the A380 they would not reduce frequency on the New York London route. As it is a premium route business passengers probably want the flexibility that if they miss one flight there is another within an hour or so that they can get on.

If BA had more Concordes they would have probably flown that route more than twice a day!!!


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
This complements BA178 from JFK as the 2nd daily morning flight to LHR. This is the 8th daily to JFK and the 11th to New York Metro area (3 to EWR).

Wow 11 nonstops to the NYC area! That on top of the Manchester and the proposed Cardiff route.

BA must really hogging money out of JFK.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32783 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 14):
proposed Cardiff route.

There is no proposed Cardiff route.



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User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Congratulations to BA. oneworld is certainly prime on that route with all of AA's dailies, as well.

Can someone explain the type of passengers that this new flight is aimed at. The JFK-LHR leaves in the morning and arrives at night, spending a whole day traveling. Would this really attract business travelers for the premium cabin? I think most business travelers (or at least their companies) would prefer flights like the return that leaves LHR in the evening and arrives in JFK later that night, allowing maximum time to be spent on the ground in the office/meetings, etc...

That's one of the things that my manager doesn't like about us flying to China on AA and JL. It takes almost 2 full days to get to PEK with the ORD-NRT flight leaving around noon and arriving the next day mid-afternoon in NRT, finally arriving in PEK that night (but I love the NRT stop-over, Jumbo heaven  veryhappy  ).

I'm sure there're other factors in the flight schedule decisions, but just wondering about this side of the business. Would these morning BA flights to LHR be cheaper than the evening ones out of JFK?



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

I am sure a flight that leaves JFK in the morning and arrives at LHR in the evening will attract the business class passengers.

If people need to spend the evening in New York then this will be the first flight you can get back. Also you don't lose a nights sleep, for those that have trouble sleeping on planes!

There is obviously a market for it otherwise BA and the countless other airlines that have daytime US-UK flights from places like Boston, Chicago, washington, would not do it.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 10):
no it doesn't. Customers on this route want flexibility and the multiple frequencies that BA offers gives them this. Reducing frequency to use the A380 wouldn't be attractive to customers.

Pah, how much of a flexibility loss is it to decrase it from 11 flights to about 7? Considering that they all happen within a ten-hour-period.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
checkmark ..that's what I've been saying,but Danny for some reason has a different view on this...which is ok...because we know he's wrong......Danny, don't hate me for speaking the truth... Smile duck

The truth is that you don't want BA to buy the A380, because it is not a Boeing plane.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3305 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7109 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):

There is no proposed Cardiff route.

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3127813/

It has been proposed. Unlikely, probably, but proposed for sure.

Apparently NYC-LON routes that leave the US in the morning are quite popular. I took one last summer and it was great. No jet-lag, and you get there at night so you have the entire next day.

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User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2179 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

Exactly correct from TIS, thats one of the main attractions of the dayflights in that you handle the time difference much better (my dad did EWR-LHR with VS a few months back) which then allows you a goods night sleep to work the next day. However, you could argue its time wasted actually during the flight, but like everything it has its pros and cons!

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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23019 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 19):
It has been proposed. Unlikely, probably, but proposed for sure.

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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

Quoting Jammin (Reply 16):
Can someone explain the type of passengers that this new flight is aimed at. The JFK-LHR leaves in the morning and arrives at night, spending a whole day traveling. Would this really attract business travelers for the premium cabin? I think most business travelers (or at least their companies) would prefer flights like the return that leaves LHR in the evening and arrives in JFK later that night, allowing maximum time to be spent on the ground in the office/meetings, etc...

I don't think many people will fly their employees on an overnight flight and expect them to be working the day they get into London. The NYC-LHR flights are so short, that once you're airbourne and have had food etc, there is only about 4 hours where you can sleep before breakfast/landing etc. I recently came back on BA176, an overnight return, and i can say that i would have been in no position to work that day.

The overnight flights are the best for getting over jetlag. If I've been staying in Manhattan and I'm on an 8am flight from JFK, then I'm going to be getting up at around 4:30am, which is 9:30am in the UK, which is only an hour or two after I'd normally get up, so I can get back into routine easier.

An early departure wouldn't be attractive for those who don't visit New York often, as they'd say they want to spend the whole day there before getting back, and they wouldn't want to have to drag themselves out of bed that early if they didn't have to. So I'd say the early returns from NYC are predominantly used by business travellers.

Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 12):
With BA its not a case of IF they order the A380, its when.

And you have sources to back that up, i trust?

Why does every thread concerning BA have to turn into a "BA, will they order the A380 or won't they?" Unless you have any info which isn't personal preference/opinion based, you might as well wait until they announce an order.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Pah, how much of a flexibility loss is it to decrase it from 11 flights to about 7? Considering that they all happen within a ten-hour-period.

If that was the case, then they would operate 9 or 10 flights with B747-400's.


User currently offlineKiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 12):
BA wont decrease frequency with the A380, they will increase capacity.

It has a lower CASM than the current 744's and T7's on the route and the A380 gives BA the scope to increase capacity from slot-restricted LHR & offer more competitive fares on the route.

Is JFK able to handle the 380? I forgot what the latest status was on this.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 10):
no it doesn't. Customers on this route want flexibility and the multiple frequencies that BA offers gives them this. Reducing frequency to use the A380 wouldn't be attractive to customers.

You really need 8 daily on transatlantic routes? Come on this is ridiculous. 5 daily on A380 will still give flexibility while giving BA much more profit.


25 Jacobin777 : While I have my preference for the 777's (bit obvious)..I have no problems with BA ordering the A380 (aside from the kool aid drinkers going bonkers)
26 Jimyvr : On a route like this, business travellers cares about the departure time. If BA consolidates to 5 daily, they definitely lose some advantages. For in
27 ANstar : By the time BA would get the A380 I'd presume the extra capacity could be used without dropping frequency. Remember BA have some of the lowest seatin
28 Post contains images Danny : Simple is that frequency does matter much less on long-haul than on short-haul. The reason to add 8th flight is not to increase frequency but capacit
29 Pdpsol : Are you kidding me? If you work in finance [especially i-banking], travel to London is typically a one-day affair; arrive at LHR at 6AM, meeting[s] i
30 8herveg : I agree. I wish people would stop going on about it. I do hope however that they DONT order the A380. For starters it is the ugliest aircraft I have
31 LH459 : I feel compelled to mention that the passage in question has now been removed from Wikipedia.
32 Post contains images Jacobin777 : If they wanted the extra flight for capacity, the planes would be basically departing at the same time.... In the next 5-8 years, by the time they ne
33 Jammin : Sorry, but my manager doesn't really allow for days off after an overseas trip. We're expected to be working the minute we get off the plane on both
34 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : So you state this first: And then you go on to write one of the longest post offering nothing factual and only your opinion on the A380 in this discus
35 8herveg : I wasnt actually stating whether BA WILL or WILL NOT order the A380. I was just stating my opinion on why I don't think they should. Whether they wil
36 Bofredrik : I would like to see more daylight flights from the US and to Europe. And also from Asia to Europe. That kind of flights is the best i have used on my
37 FlyDeltaJets87 : Okay, I'll give you the point that there is some difference, as part of this discussion has revolved around whether or not the A380 is an economical
38 Jimyvr : I'd say JFK-LHR is similar to the domestic trunk route like JFK-LAX or YYZ-YVR. The schedules are set for similar purposes. The only gain is force th
39 B707Stu : With the 19h45 arrival what connecting cities does BA pick up for an evening arrival in Europe, and beyond? This is like replacing the Concorde in som
40 Post contains images Planesarecool : I haven't said anything about the A380, as that is not what the topic is about (perhaps you should re-read the thread title, and my post)
41 YULWinterSkies : Oh, by the time BA orders them and get them, it probably will be... I think BA probably know what they are doing: the A380 is not yet available, when
42 Jacobin777 : Middle East destinations such as DXB, KWI....
43 FlyDeltaJets87 : Sorry. That was a misquote. My comment was directed at 8herveg. I had to redo the post because the HTML got screwed up and I apparently didn't correc
44 BCA2005 : Tel Aviv, Mumbai, Delhi, Dubai, Kuwait, Abuja, Beirut, Amman, Damascus, Bangkok, Moscow.
45 B6MoneyGuyJFK : Just did the non rev thing with my son JFK-CDG via LHR. Left Thursday, returned Sunday. On the flight over First was full. Business was over by 1, pre
46 Post contains images Jacobin777 : er..I didn't make that quote, only responded with some cities which you just mentioned..
47 Post contains images Airbazar : What competition? Their partner, AA? Who else other than, I think Air India, flies JFK-LHR? They sure have the frequency but I gotta wonder about the
48 Jacobin777 : VS fly LHR-JFK...and then there is DL's JFK-LGW, CO's EWR-LGW...on top of MaxJet's JFK-STN flights
49 Planetime : AA JFK-LHR 6X Somedays 7X VS JFK-LHR 5X BA JFK-LHR 8X AI JFK-LHR 1X (Air India) KU JFK-LHR 1X (Kuwaiti) DL JFK-LGW 1X will go to 2X shortly EOS JFK-S
50 Planesarecool : Virgin Atlantic: LHR-JFK 4x daily, LHR-EWR 2x daily American: LHR-JFK 6x daily Delta: LGW-JFK 1x daily (2x next summer) Air India: (BOM/DEL-) LHR-JFK
51 LTBEWR : The eastbound flight would be one of the first from the USA to the UK, and would allow a person to have late evening meetings in the UK and still not
52 Briboy : Could there also be connection traffic via AA?
53 Post contains links VV701 : It is said that 'British Airways has laid on four extra flights a week to the US, including one to New York' for Christmas shoppers because of the wea
54 Post contains images Airbazar : How could I have forgotten VS. Geez I wouldn't call anyone else competition though. DL and CO have absolutely no onward connections at LGW. Their NYC
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