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DL's Italy Schedule For Summer 2007  
User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 751 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Very Impressive..Italy is becoming a Hub of sorts for DL:

DL 148 JFK-FCO 17.10 07.55 (1234567) 763
DL 149 FCO-JFK 13.25 17.10 (1234567) 763

DL 160 JFK-FCO 18.55 09.55 (1234567) 763
DL 161 FCO-JFK 11.45 15.20 (1234567) 763

DL 32 CVG-FCO 19.30 10.45 (1234567) 764
DL 33 FCO-CVG 10.30 15.15 (1234567) 764

DL 76 ATL-FCO 16.40 08.25 (1234567) 764
DL 77 FCO-ATL 12.45 17.55 (1234567) 764

DL 70 ATL-FCO 19.20 11.10 (1234567) 763
DL 71 FCO-ATL 10.05 15.20 (1234567) 763

DL 136 JFK-PSA 20.15 11.00 (-23-5-7) 763
DL 137 PSA-JFK 13.35 17.05 (1-34-6-) 763

L 150 JFK-VCE 18.40 09.30 (1234567) 763
DL 151 VCE-JFK 11.30 15.00 (1234567) 763

DL 162 ATL-VCE 19.25 11.00 (-2-4-67) 763
DL 163 VCE-ATL 13.05 18.05 (1-3-5-7) 763

DL 84 JFK MXP 19.45 10.10 (1234567) 763
DL 85 MXP JFK 12.15 15.30 (1234567) 763

DL 74 ATL MXP 17.25 08.40 (1234567) 763
DL 75 MXP ATL 11.00 15.35 (1234567) 763

[Edited 2006-12-05 22:23:29]

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7510 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

Quoting Nycfly75 (Thread starter):
DL 74 ATL MXP 17.25 08.40 (1234567) 763
DL 75 MXP ATL 11.00 15.35 (1234567) 763

This should be on a 764. But the schedules are still early so maybe DL will upgrade.



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User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

impressive schedule...

I like the flights to PSA... tuscany is always great in the summer


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4877 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5249 times:
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With this schedule, will Delta offer more U.S.- Italy flights than AZ? DL certainly offers the most number of US flights from FCO (and of course VCE and PSA since AZ doesn't fly transatlantic out of the latter two).

I've counted AZ's Italy - US flights next summer as follows:

1 FCO-EWR
2 FCO-JFK
1 FCO-BOS
1 MXP-JFK
1 MXP-EWR
1 MXP-MIA
1 MXP-ORD
1 MXP-BOS


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
With this schedule, will Delta offer more U.S.- Italy flights than AZ?

This should indeed be the case, unless of course AZ adds another flight. Seat capacity-wise, that'll be an interesting question, as AZ should normally have at least 2 777 flights to JFK. That said, I don't know how many seats AZ has on its 763s and 777s, so I can't compare the numbers.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

At least during the summer Italy (10 flights) seems to be the most served country in Europe by DL and Rome (5 daily flights) as well is becoming one of the most important airports in the Old Continent for DL.

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 4):
That said, I don't know how many seats AZ has on its 763s and 777s, so I can't compare the numbers.


234 and 291 respectively.

[Edited 2006-12-05 23:37:50]

[Edited 2006-12-05 23:42:44]


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

Quoting Nycfly75 (Thread starter):
DL 32 CVG-FCO 19.30 10.45 (1234567) 764
DL 33 FCO-CVG 10.30 15.15 (1234567) 764

DL 76 ATL-FCO 16.40 08.25 (1234567) 764
DL 77 FCO-ATL 12.45 17.55 (1234567) 764

Looks like these aircraft do a scissors in FCO.

DL32 from CVG turns around and becomes DL77 back to ATL.
DL76 from ATL turns around and becomes DL33 back to CVG.

Quoting Nycfly75 (Thread starter):
DL 148 JFK-FCO 17.10 07.55 (1234567) 763
DL 149 FCO-JFK 13.25 17.10 (1234567) 763

DL 70 ATL-FCO 19.20 11.10 (1234567) 763
DL 71 FCO-ATL 10.05 15.20 (1234567) 763

These two flights as well swap.

DL148 from JFK turns around and becomes DL71 back to ATL.
DL70 from ATL turns around and becomes DL149 back to JFK.

Best time to spot Delta in Rome will be from 0955 to 1005 When 3 Aircraft are on the ground at the same time.
Next best time will be thankfully longer, from 1110 to 1245 when again, FCO will have 3 Delta Aircraft on the ground at the same time!

Otherwise, most of the day, from 0825 until 1245 there are at least 2 Delta Aircraft on the ground at any one time.

Exciting stuff!



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 6):
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 4):
That said, I don't know how many seats AZ has on its 763s and 777s, so I can't compare the numbers.


234 and 291 respectively.

Thanks  Smile . Guess that puts AZ ahead of DL as far as the number seats goes, then.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
Thanks . Guess that puts AZ ahead of DL as far as the number seats goes, then.

yep by about 1000 seats a week given:

DL has about 14000 seats/week (6 daily 763, 2 daily 764 and 2x4weekly 763)
AZ has about 15400 seats/week (4 daily 777, 3 daily 763 and 2x5weekly 763)

Close tho and amazing that DL is almost up there in terms of flights to Italy. Will be interesting to see DL's next Italian announcement  

[Edited 2006-12-06 00:12:15]


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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

Will DL be using the reconfigured 764's with BizE on these routes?

As a side note, will all the 764's on the TATL flights have been reconfigured by then?


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 10):
Will DL be using the reconfigured 764's with BizE on these routes?

As a side note, will all the 764's on the TATL flights have been reconfigured by then?

The 764s on these routes will not be reconfigured and will be sold as all coach. The two aircraft do a scissor rotation as someone above mentioned.

DL can route BE traffic through ATL on the later flight and on both of JFKs flights.

From what I've heard the reconfigured 764s will be flying:

ATL-CDG
ATL-LGW
ATL-FRA

and possibly on JFK-LGW depending on how the flight goes...



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User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

Kinda surprised CVG-FCO is a B764.

TokyoNarita.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
AZ has about 15465 seats/week (4 daily 777, 3 daily 763 and 2x5weekly 763)

4 daily 777?

For me there are 3 777s flights to USA in the summer

MXP-JFK (AZ 604/605)
FCO-JFK (AZ 610/611)
FCO-EWR (AZ 644/645)

[Edited 2006-12-06 00:18:24]

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4877 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4985 times:
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Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 11):
From what I've heard the reconfigured 764s will be flying:

ATL-CDG
ATL-LGW
ATL-FRA

So far, it looks like the reconfigured, BE-equipped 764s will already start flying this winter on:
ATL-CDG (DL22/21) - starting in January 2007
ATL-EZE (DL101/110) - starting in mid-February 2007

though DL22/21 on the 764 is only loaded through February so far.

For the summer, DL114 ATL-BCN has been designated so far for the BE-equipped 764s.

But as mentioned multiple times, these are all subject to change....


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 13):
4 daily 777?

For me there are 3 777s flights to USA in the summer

MXP-JFK (AZ 604/605)
FCO-JFK (AZ 610/611)
FCO-EWR (AZ 644/645)

MIA-MXP does not convert to the "summer schedule" until the end of April (and returns to the winter schedule one month early as well, at the start of October), so for one month, it is a 772 before going to a 767 for May-September.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 13):
4 daily 777?

For me there are 3 777s flights to USA in the summer

MXP-JFK (AZ 604/605)
FCO-JFK (AZ 610/611)
FCO-EWR (AZ 644/645)

You're right. I forgot 606/607 ops as a 763 year round now even in the summer! We all make mistakes Smile

Quoting Panamair (Reply 14):
So far, it looks like the reconfigured, BE-equipped 764s will already start flying this winter on:
ATL-CDG (DL22/21) - starting in January 2007
ATL-EZE (DL101/110) - starting in mid-February 2007

though DL22/21 on the 764 is only loaded through February so far.

For the summer, DL114 ATL-BCN has been designated so far for the BE-equipped 764s.

But as mentioned multiple times, these are all subject to change....

Hadn't heard about BCN or EZE, thanks for the info. I'm still wondering when the TLV switch is going to happen...

Also - the 763 configs may change on DL given some movement up front...



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4877 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4926 times:
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Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 16):
Hadn't heard about BCN or EZE

Both have been loaded as such on delta.com and various CRS and the seat maps show the new config as well.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 16):
Also - the 763 configs may change on DL given some movement up front...

You mean removing one of the BE lavs and putting the FA crew rest seats there?


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
Will be interesting to see DL's next Italian announcement

Other flights to Italy are still possible for 2007?
I guess in a few weeks the next european summer timetable will be completely finalised and loaded up.

[Edited 2006-12-06 00:48:47]

User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

And according to this link provided by DL, route Nice-Atlanta will not come back in 2007.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
Close tho and amazing that DL is almost up there in terms of flights to Italy. Will be interesting to see DL's next Italian announcement

I assume the wink means there will be one? If it's a new city, the only city left I can think of is Naples. Otherwise, it must be a flight from MXP-CVG?

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 16):
Also - the 763 configs may change on DL given some movement up front...

Are they changing back to 48 seats up front with the mini cabin? That mini cabin was great with BE seats. Maybe put those extra Y seats they added on the TWA 757's and I'm sure they have some BE seats left over from the change to 36 seats a few years ago with a refreshed seat cover. Well, that's my guess.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7510 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 20):
Otherwise, it must be a flight from MXP-CVG?

I seriously doubt it.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 20):
the only city left I can think of is Naples.

I could see this happening at some point from JFK. JFK-NAP is exactly the kind of route DL would sink their teeth into. I would bet money that DL will try JFK-LED in the not too distant future as well.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

ATLMUC is slated to get a BizElite 764 in the spring which probably says it will stay through the summer.

Most of the 764 summer schedule has not yet been released.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
I could see this happening at some point from JFK. JFK-NAP is exactly the kind of route DL would sink their teeth into. I would bet money that DL will try JFK-LED in the not too distant future as well.

Not to get off topic, but is DL done announcing their new TATL routes for Summer 2007?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4877 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4422 times:
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Quoting Evan767 (Reply 20):
Are they changing back to 48 seats up front with the mini cabin?

Definitely not. If anything, the number of Business seats will go down with the implementation of the lie-flat seats.

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 19):
And according to this link provided by DL, route Nice-Atlanta will not come back in 2007.

Yes, ATL-NCE is not returning - started cannibalizing JFK-NCE somewhat last summer; also didn't do too well on its own.

I am surprised to see ATL-SNN back though (DL156) together with the new nonstop JFK-SNN (DL102) standalone, (and both so far using the unconverted 'sold as all-Y" 764s), that's a lot of capacity to dump onto SNN. I believe ATL-SNN also struggled somewhat last summer.


25 SQ452 : Glad to see CVG gets FCO back again with a 764 this time around...
26 Stirling : Napoli is also Italy's 3rd Largest City It would be nice to see them go south of Roma one day...maybe even Sicilia, there is certainly the population
27 Sflaflight : Add the metro areas and Napoli moves up quite ahead! Would be nice to see DL in Naples. Well some has to instigate, maybe DL IS getting ready to becom
28 DAL767400ER : Actually, that thinking is not that far off. By launching more non-FCO/MXP routes, DL allows Italians outside those cities regions to get to the US n
29 OOer : Any chance of DL taking over the customer service duties in VCE anytime soon?'
30 DTWAGENT : I have been reading in Business Weekly and in other news mag. that AZ is not doing to well. They are lossing their own goverments backing. The goverme
31 WorldTraveler : NAP only has an 8600 foot runway which is why they are unlikely to attract TATL service.
32 Flyguy1 : How do GJ operate their NAP-JFK service than?
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