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Kids In First/Biz Class...never Understand  
User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14333 times:

So I am on Korean Air right now (as we speak thanks in part to free wireless internet on board with soon to be defunct Connexion by Boeing) and its a pretty full flight today in Biz class (Prestige if you want to get technical).

The last passengers to get on board the aircraft was a family of four with 2 very young kids (maybe 2 and 5 years old). They have been somewhat well behaved but I have had this happen a number of times now where some really young kids will fly business class with their parents. More than half the time they are little hellions running up and down the aisle, crying, and spilling juice everywhere.

The thing I dont get is why airlines really have not developed a policy yet. I know some people in F and J class can get annoyed by it (myself included) but what does everyone else feel?

Anybody encounter this and think there is something terribly wrong with it that the airlines should start doing something??? Or is it mostly the parents responsibility to keep the kids under control??? Thoughts, comments suggestions...not saying ban kids from F & J class, but just throwing it out there. i'll be on for a few more hours (still have a ways to go)  

[Edited 2006-12-06 14:10:13]


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User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 866 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14311 times:

I don't agree with that. Kids have as much right to comfort and premium service as anyone else. And a policy along that line is a slippery slope, the next step would be not allowing people dressed casually. That would be hell for me, because I'll be damned if I'm forced to sit for 11 hours in a suit.

User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14291 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Thread starter):
More than half the time they are little hellions running up and down the aisle, crying, and spilling juice everywhere.

That's not the fault of the kids, its the fault of the parents. Whilst respecting the fact that all passengers should have a peaceful flight for the extra they pay if the kids are unruly then the parents should take responsibility even to the point of being banned to fly in future if they do not. Just to be clear I do have two young children of my own and I take my responsibilities very seriously when traveling with them. They are very behaved anyway so its not a problem but I am concious of the potential impact on others as all parents should be.


User currently offlineSr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14271 times:

I don't see a problem at all on this. It is true that you will see kidy flying premium a lot. I don't see a problem at all on this. I even once got upgraded with my wife and son (below 1 year old at that time) on LH between FRA and ICN from Y to C.

User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14272 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Thread starter):
The thing I dont get is why airlines really have not developed a policy yet. I know some people in F and J class can get annoyed by it (myself included).

Get over it. You also have been a kid at some stage, or perhaps you will also have a kid in the future and want to fly business.
Just flew with my daughter and wife F-class from ZRH to DXB on EK, everything went smooth. But sometimes it doesnt .... - its just pure luck.
Put the headset on and listen to some music or watch a movie ... , after 10 mins or so you wont hear the kid anymore ...

Robin



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14274 times:

Had a flight from hell from CDG to SIN on AF in J with parents with two young kids. Parents were passive and left the other passengers and crew to babysit. Kids, naturally became over tired after about 90mins and whined, wimpered, screamed and cried for the next 10hrs or so. Even the Asian passengers who ar normally very low key got up exasperated and 'shhh'ed the family, to no avail. The injustice is we all payed 5x Y class in order to sleep so as to work on arrival. Not the kids' fault really, but not just, not good business and shouldn't happen.

If you sell these tickets to children provide a 'creche' area and enforce a noise policy. Otherwise, only over 10yr-olds in J/F.



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14276 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 1):
That would be hell for me, because I'll be damned if I'm forced to sit for 11 hours in a suit.

Me too, many times I look like a slob because I want to be comfortable when flying a red eye flight...

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 1):
I don't agree with that. Kids have as much right to comfort and premium service as anyone else. And a policy along that line is a slippery slope,

Good point. I'm just tossing this topic out there, I think most responsibility lies on the parents (just as it does anywhere else) to keep the kids under control...



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14226 times:

This is a difficult topic and there is probably not a correct answer.....many pax fly F or J for quiet and comfort...and plan to work or sleep during the flight and a few noisy children can upset those plans. On the other hand, there are lots of well behaved children who cause no bother at all.

Bottom line is that airlines are in the business to make money.....if an airline can sell a F or J class ticket, they will regardless of whether the passenger is 6 or 66. Having a rule such as ""no one under 12 is permitted to fly F or J"" would be nearly impossibile to enforce, could be illegal, and would piss off all of the parents that could not sit up front because of this rule.

Two suggestions:

1. Parents should supervise their children better - an airplane cabin (F J or Y) is not a playground and F/As are not baby sitters. Its the parents responsibility to take care and supervise their children. If unruly children are on board, say something to the crew and/or the parent.

2. Since most airlines offer pre-assigned seating and most passengers (especially those in F and J) get their seat assignments well before a flight's departure.....I never understood why airlines dont atleast try to sit famlies with children together in one zone of a cabin....one family travelling with little ones is bound to be more tolerant of a crying 3 year old than a businessman or businesswoman trying to get work done onboard.


User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14226 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 6):
Good point. I'm just tossing this topic out there, I think most responsibility lies on the parents (just as it does anywhere else) to keep the kids under control...

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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14227 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 1):
I don't agree with that. Kids have as much right to comfort and premium service as anyone else.

I totally agree with you. Some kind of restrictions in this regard can violate Constitutional Rights.

If their parents pays for such kind of services, an airline can deny it based on the age of the beneficiaries.


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14198 times:

Well why should econ passengers have to put up unruly kids? I sometimes get annoyed at the attitude of biz/first passengers have that all econ passengers are flying on "dirt-cheap" fares and therefore aren't entitled to a relaxing flight.
 stirthepot 

If a kid is annoying you then either speak to the parents in a polite way or if you don't have the guts to do that then go to a crew member and ask if they can speak to the parents.



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User currently offlineInitRef From India, joined Nov 2000, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14186 times:

I've seen and heard more badly behaved adults in F/J than kids.

User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14176 times:

Not "kid bashing" by any means, im sure one day I could even be in the same shoes....but it seems like everyone thinks that it really is the parents responsibility to look after the kids.

I think what I'd also wonder is why sometimes parents would fork out so much for the kids to sit in F or J. I can understand the parents want the comfort but, sometimes it could even be cheaper to pay for econ and have a family friend or nanny look after them, would probably save a lot of $$$



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User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14153 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 12):
I can understand the parents want the comfort but, sometimes it could even be cheaper to pay for econ and have a family friend or nanny look after them, would probably save a lot of $$$

Depends on the age of the kids ... , I would have very bad feelings sitting in F and puting my 5 years aged Kid into Eco. Wouldnt have a prob though to put my 14 year old son into Eco while we a fly F (HEHEHEHE) .

Robin



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14138 times:

Face it...folks with money to burn do not care about you..it's all about their comfort. Airlines need those premium fares...kids and all...so they will not restrict it. End result? Get a good pair of noise canceling headphones and relax....but make sure they are a good pair....ones that can take a kid out a row away..grin!

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14126 times:

Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 10):
Well why should econ passengers have to put up unruly kids? I sometimes get annoyed at the attitude of biz/first passengers have that all econ passengers are flying on "dirt-cheap" fares and therefore aren't entitled to a relaxing flight.

If a kid is annoying you then either speak to the parents in a polite way or if you don't have the guts to do that then go to a crew member and ask if they can speak to the parents.

I know what you mean, but you are missing the point...
The whole point of pax paying a premium to fly biz/first is that they want to have a more comfortable flight than they would get if they were flying in economy. To get this they fork out $$$ to have more comfort so they can work or sleep. What they don't want is some kid running around making noise etc.


Now it would be pretty hard and perhaps mean for airlines to ban kids from flying biz/first. What the airlines can do however is charge full adult fares rather than child fares for biz/first. Sure there will always be people around that simply don't care about the cost, but for most it would be a disincentive to flying along with the kids in biz/first.
I would hate to be paying $7000 for a ticket compared to say $2000 for an economy ticket only to be sitting next to some kid who is making lots of noise, throwing up, making a mess etc etc.
Yes we all usually end up with kids and yes we all were kids at one stage, but I certainly never flew in biz/first when I was a kid.
I'm sure there are plenty of well behaved kids out there, but in this day and age a lot of kids are spoiled brats with no discipline.

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User currently offlineAirways45 From United Kingdom, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14117 times:

It seems that I am one of the few to agree with the original poster. I believe that children under a certain age should NOT be allowed in First or Business.

I am also fully aware that I'm in a minority here. Those most vocal are either those that never fly in premium cabins but hope for an upgrade or, those that get upgraded all of the time. My colleagues who PAY for the seat in F or C often agree with my point, especially on night flights.

I've noticed a few things on my many travels in F or C. Firstly, children are often on upgrades. I find this regularly in the US as the parent might be Platinum (like I am) and either get auto upgrades or, use coupons etc. The irony with this is to be platinum (like I am) and get this benefit the father (or mother) has needed to fly on business a lot and so should also appreciate the quiet cabin.

I've been on many flights with well-behaved children. However, children from certain parts of the world seem to be able to cause a riot and their parents seem to completely be able to black out their kids running up and down the aisle.

When I'm paying $6000 for a ticket I do this for a few reasons. Firstly to either work, sleep or relax. The point is that I'm not doing this to have a child crying. If I want that I'll sit in row 56 in the middle seat. If I fly economy I can expect that. I now expect children in the premium cabins but I totally believe it is arrogant of parents to take their children in to the cabin.

My suggestion would be to stop upgrades of children. Though I would like to stop children (especially babies) altogether I except this would never happen.

However, to find a whole family of airline employees or upgrades which is often where the kids come from could easily be stopped. The perks are fine for the parents but not the kids. So, either downgrade yourself to economy, or, put the kids in economy.

Another point not raised here is children in the business lounge at the airport. These are meant to be a quiet haven away from the crowd. Often the airport gate is quieter. So, once again I wouldn't have children in there.

Some of the worst flights I've had in premium cabins are to and from the Middle East where royal princes or princesses are running around in First Class.

Remember, money can't buy you manners, good behaviour or tact.

Airways45


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14115 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 12):
I can understand the parents want the comfort but, sometimes it could even be cheaper to pay for econ and have a family friend or nanny look after them, would probably save a lot of $$$

If they are flying F/J, they just want to take care of their kids by them self. They simply don't want to save money but get some extra comfort.


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14047 times:

Man this is a good discussion...helps the flight go by quick.

I understand where everyone is coming from which I think is good (to keep perspective). I hate isbehaving kids in F&J class, in a perfect world they may not fly in F or J but the world is far from perfect...

Bottom line, parents: keep your kids in line if you sit in F or J (or Y even).

And I so just burned my face off with the hot towel (which was REALLY HOT)...its like play by play from 33,000 feet.  eek 



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User currently offlineDesiguy2447 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14008 times:

Airlines cannot really do anything about young kids flying in First or Business class with there parents. If any airline was to impose an age limit lawyers would be having a field day sueing the airline on behalf of the family or families who's kids were denied a ticket in either of these classes.

While on this subject I had friend who a few years back flew Business class in Delta with his young kid, and when the kid started crying, and wouldn't stop he moved to Economy class and took a seat till the kid fell back sleep then moved back to Business class.


User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13940 times:
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Better bring a well situated family on board with smart kids who, at age 6, know to behave better than most 30 year olds.
What I can't stand are those poeple who get send arund the globe by their comp. and care a shit how they behave or look on C. wearing Sneakers and t-shirts.

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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13899 times:

Quoting Jasond (Reply 2):
That's not the fault of the kids, its the fault of the parents. Whilst respecting the fact that all passengers should have a peaceful flight for the extra they pay if the kids are unruly then the parents should take responsibility even to the point of being banned to fly in future if they do not. Just to be clear I do have two young children of my own and I take my responsibilities very seriously when traveling with them. They are very behaved anyway so its not a problem but I am concious of the potential impact on others as all parents should be.

I agree. Spot on. It is the parents responsibility. Also there have been more unruly adults than kids!! I have two boys and we have gone on trips in F and C, and no problem whatsoever. They are entertained (IFE), we bring them their games, coloring book, their toys (2 per kid max), and after a couple of hours they are tired and sleep. They have as much right to be there as any adult; we are paying the same for the seat.

I do agree that they should not be running around and making mess and noise. It is the same whether they are in F, C or Y. It is the basic upbringing of the kids, whether they are in an aircraft, restaurant or public places.

Any airlines bans the kids, they will be sued, and will lose the business from the parents too: one will be me for sure.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13767 times:

Quoting Airways45 (Reply 16):

Come on. You're an "Aviation Manager". You fly for free  Wink


User currently offlineJamesvf84 From Switzerland, joined Sep 2003, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13751 times:

A nice but difficult topic!

As mentioned before it is the parents responsibility, why don't airlines adopt a different point of view: when an adult passenger is under the influence of alcohol or his "misbehaving" in any manner  drunk  kiss  , the airline threatens to land at a secondary airport, off load the passenger in question and the fine them.

Why couldn't something, obviously less dramatic, be put in place for this kind of situation. I have nothing against children, I have seen children in C and Y class and most of the time the children were fine, only once I saw children in F and they were real angels: they were "seen but not heard" !!!

For a child a longhaul flight is going to be boring at sometime so getting up, stretching their legs walking even at a quick pace down the aisle is fine......it is the yelling and misbehaving that I find difficult to swallow. I think it is even more difficult for the F/As as what can or are allowed to say to the parents?

So why isn't a warning given to the parents, if the warning is not respected the offload them or fine them. Is one arrogant family better having as customers than 20 people flying on business or leisure?


User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13726 times:

I worked for Pan Am and we had a rule, no under 12 year olds in First, but allowed in Clipper (business) though

25 EWRCabincrew : BINGO!!! Hit the nail on the head there. Talk to the crew. I have no problem talking to the parents of unruly parents and getting my point across.
26 Bongodog1964 : My wife and I are just thinking about our next holiday, we will for the 1st time be flying business class along with our daughter who is nearly 4. her
27 EWRCabincrew : That is a nice sentiment. You'd be surprised how much this doesn't happen. On the flip side to what i said a post ago, I also tell parents that their
28 Kmh1956 : I have flown in both First and Economy....my very first flight was in First on Pan Am when I was 6 and my sister 3. My daughter flew in First with me
29 PEK18R36L : I'm 2 meters tall and weigh 130 kilos. There is NO way I'm going to sit in economy, and there is NO way I'm going to banish my wife and disciplined,
30 Naritaflyer : You don't need to look like a slob to be comfortable.
31 1stfl94 : At the end of the day banning under 12s from Business makes no economic sense because the parents who can afford to fly their kids in business will ju
32 BA1985 : Chill out and watch tv
33 Kdeg00 : My sentiments exactly! On nearly every trip I take there is at least one "adult" who can't put/keep his seatbelt on, can't say please or thank you, p
34 COERJ145 : They do, You'll find them mostly in bulkheads.
35 EWRCabincrew : Sometimes it's not that simple.
36 Bongodog1964 : Having just read the above is it possible to vote to give someone a negative respect rating ? I might be able to afford to travel J class but I certa
37 Scbriml : I think it's been a few weeks since we last discussed "kids in premium cabins". None of the arguments seem to have moved on. Good luck trying to persu
38 USPIT10L : I agree. I believe that's the same rule Delta has. IINM, every other major US carrier has the same rule. No one in first class under the age of 12. W
39 Skyexramper : So only us "lesser" people in coach should be annoyed by people's kids. Just because you're in F or J doesn't make you any better than the rest of us
40 Post contains images Rogerbcn : Hola! Some time ago a similar issue aroused on British Rail with people listening to music and the development of the arguments, more or less, followe
41 Supa7E7 : These kids are probably nonrevs in both cases. You said they were the LAST passengers to board. This is telltale sign that they are either industry em
42 Rotate : So true ... Robin
43 Kmh1956 : I assume you never plan to breed, then. Or will you 'banish' the child and the child's mother/nanny/paid parent to Y class just so you can travel in
44 EWRCabincrew : Telltale sign...maybe, but not necessarily. Probably non-revs in both cases...only speculative. People who are not non-revs board last all the time.
45 BDL2STL2PVG : Do they really have this as a documented rule? Is it on their website? I can see this as an embargo against Non-rev passengers but a paying passenger
46 Kmh1956 : You're still a kid....what the hell are you on about?
47 EWRCabincrew : It will always boil down to parental control and parenting (or lack thereof). Always.
48 Supa7E7 : I thought it was a standard rule... as people mention, the US carriers have a policy against employee kids under 12 up front. Yes, it's an actual rul
49 Ohsopc : I dont understand when people say they want to bann kids from first or business class. It is like... what do they expect them to do? send the 2 and 5
50 Bongodog1964 : This takes the whole argument onto a new dimension, if you are looking at this from an environmental point of view FR is the only green airline in th
51 FlyDreamliner : When I was growing up, my parents would occasionally take my younger sibling and I on flights in Business or First, but there was simply an understand
52 Post contains images Thepilot : There is a funny commercial with NFL star Warren Sapp sitting in Y class and there is an annoying kid behind him kicking his seat. The kid won't stop,
53 Kiramakora : Very well said. I think unruly kids are the responsibility of the parents. The class of service does not matter.
54 Ravel : Isn't the difference between classes that First and Business are more comfortable (with some extra services) than Coach? Nothing special, in other wor
55 Bongodog1964 : Just a thought If you think that being next to a kid is hell, we've just had a reality tv show on here in the UK which featured amongst others David G
56 Aeroflot777 : I believe the solution is simple. It's really all the parent's fault. Kids have the right to be in the premium cabin; however, it is the parent's resp
57 Cgnnrw : A about a year or two ago I read an article about a hotelier in a posh Austrian ski resort banning children from his hotel because they were unruly, c
58 Post contains images ThaiA345 : I tend to agree somewhat with the original poster. I always travel either in Business or First class in both short and long haul flights. The reason b
59 Kmh1956 : Because that would be discriminatory. You contradict yourself.
60 Pope : I say we ban everyone younger than 25 from business class.
61 1stfl94 : People of all ages cause trouble on aircraft. Besides considering how financially unstable some airlines are these days, banning whole groups of peop
62 GOCAPS16 : When I was flying in business class on a 777-200, there was a family of four and two of them were young kids flying in business class with their paren
63 Kmh1956 : Why bother to have kids if you're going to hand them off to someone else to raise them?
64 SJCRRPAX : I think parents should try to avoid flying with Kids. KIds really don't enjoy those long trips. It's like taking a baby to Disneyland, they get nothin
65 Post contains images Aerofan : SQ452 I think that children should be allowed. But their parents should be held responsible for ensuring their behaviour. I do know when I purchase a
66 Jetfan : I still remember a very special flight when I was I kid. After visiting my father, who was working in Burma, we all returned home on LH BKK-FRA via DE
67 Kmh1956 : Had you allowed them to fly at a younger age, they may not have acted like 3-year olds instead of 16 and 18-year olds. Your kids...your responsibilit
68 Post contains images SJCRRPAX : Yea, well what about the mother? I was too busy trying to get the Brit's to pronouce Bath.
69 60mech : If a family is able to pay for first class, than they should be allowed to fly that way. Unfortunately some parents do not take responsibility for the
70 Post contains images FlyMeToTheMoon : It is not about first/biz class vs. economy but about parents being able to educate and control their kids properly. Children have EVERY right to fly
71 Halophila : I forked over for the first time to fly F on a UA flight from IAD to SFO recently. I was seated in an aisle seat, and when I arrived on board there w
72 BoeingPride800 : theyre just kids bitch. everyone has a right of where to sit. what is this, the segregation era for kids?
73 Kmh1956 : No wonder the rest of the world has such a low opinion of the American travelling public.
74 LXA340 : Well this is a bit of a difficult one. On one hand everybody should have the right to fly in whatever class they want no matter the age. But then you
75 SkyHigh777 : Well I gotta say, props to the kids that can get business or first. Actually just the other day I was flying back to Dulles from London and a British
76 Supa7E7 : Let me complete the puzzle for you. I think kids under 12 should be banned from C and F internationally, unless they pay J fare (full or discounted).
77 767Lover : I've come across a number of bed and breakfast inns here in the U.S. that prohibit children under a certain age. It's not so rare.
78 Flyguy595 : United doesnt let dependants fly standy in First under 18 if its international. I think it should be a rule across the board. It really sucked being 1
79 Post contains images Royisher : Well I'm 17 years old and have been flying on both Economy and Business from when I was 4 years old. When I was very young I flew for free hence I had
80 LH459 : The last time I flew F on DL, a family of four with two children under 12 sat across the aisle, so DL definitely doesn't have this policy.
81 Post contains images SJCRRPAX : Sounds like foder for a whole new thread. I've been on enough RyanAir flights to know that the rest of the world does not have a very high opinion of
82 AA777223 : I started to fly in international premium cabins when I was about 10 or so. I think that I wouldn't have appreciated it much before then. I do think t
83 Lostmoon744 : [deleted because I can't believe I was responding to such a banal subject matter][Edited 2006-12-06 22:00:58]
84 Jetdeltamsy : Pan Am for a while prohibited children in C/F. It wasn't very politically correct and the policy was dropped. The onces that irk me are the children
85 Corsair1107 : It's the parents job to keep the kids in order, regardless of what section you're in. If I'd acted up on a flight sitting in Y when I was a little kid
86 Post contains images USADreamliner : So, in you opinion people in Economy class deserve this??? Maybe you should fly on a private jet next time.
87 Koruman : I always try to travel long-haul with my 5 year old and 2 year old in a class with flat beds, as it is the only way they will sleep. And this occurs o
88 Post contains images Justplanecrazy : just tell the kids if they don't behave themselves they will have to leave the aircraft and hope they land on a nice big furry sheep
89 VTBDflyer : I've mostly traveled in business since I was 8 months old. I continue to now, I always dress nicely (button down shirt, nice pants) and don't disturb
90 LXA340 : I must really say I never experienced small children not behave in C class. You really see that when they are used to it they behave appropriately and
91 Post contains images 767Lover : Will you be my daddy?
92 Bphendri : Short answer: Because the airline is first and foremost a bussines, and they are in bussines to make money for it's investors. So it would not make s
93 Srbmod : I've actually seen parents upgrade themselves into business/first class and the kids stay back in coach. The kids ended up going back and forth betwee
94 DC10extender : Contrary to what you may believe, most Americans are very courteous travelers who don't act at all like the above examples. I think the rest of the w
95 HighFlyer9790 : just goes to show money can't buy class.... by the way, Y flyers do have the same opinions as F & J flyers....
96 BlueFlyer : I do assure you that the pressure to get work done upfront when the employer pays for the F/C ticket is the same, if not more, as when the flyer pays
97 OHLHD : Do you pay Full Fare for your daughter on EK. AFAIK they do not sell CHD-tickets on EK.
98 JetBlueGuy2006 : Interesting...last time I checked in the USA, no matter the age, kids still have civil rights, which includes travelling. Yes, our country does set l
99 Falstaff : Sometimes those Y class fares are very pricey. I have flown in First several times over the years and everytime it was an upgrade so not everyone in
100 ElmoTheHobo : Kids that act up in public after the age of four were badly raised. OTOH if their parents paid for them to fly up front there is no reason they should
101 PanAmOldDC8 : What don't you like kids. Mine travelled with me, whereever I went. Are you suggesting that kids don't belong in Biz class or First. If the parents c
102 SkyvanMan : I have been flying since I was a child on international flights we almost always have flown in first or business. I don't know if I was an annoyance a
103 Post contains images RiddlePilot215 : If their parents are willing to pay the premium to have their entire family site in premium class....Then they have an equal right to that same space
104 Gigneil : Nobody has a Constitutional right or any other kind of right to any sort of service that's not offered by their government. Companies reserve the righ
105 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : I don't think I've ever replied to this subject on this forum before... Frankly I think noisy kids are a pain, whether they be in J, F or Y. I also ha
106 Post contains images UAL757 : What? Someone gonna' try an kick me out of first class. I'd like to see them try! Kids have every right to fly first class! Nobody has ever tried to k
107 767Lover : It's a tough debate, because: This is exactly the reason many companies put employees in first class to begin with. It's not so much to pamper the emp
108 FL370 : i fly first/business all the time and im 19, but its been that way since i was 5. i don't find anything wrong with kids flying in first/business, its
109 EWRCabincrew : I have on my side, size. I am 6 feet tall, 240 pounds and have a big beard (mountain man-ish for the winter, yet still neat for professionalism reaso
110 TPEcanuck : Kids are different, and even well-behaved kids act differently than well-behaved adults. In my view, well-behaved adults ought to be tolerant of thes
111 AeroPeru : It's all up to how the kids are brought up and how they are allowed to behave. I'm a Continental Presidents Club member travel extensively for busines
112 Post contains images Jafa39 : Agreed, well said! I think kids running around is just what they do, they have excess energy to burn off and different sleep patterns, can't expect t
113 Dukebluedevil : I have been flying F or J since I can remember, and I am 22. My parents always kept us quiet, but as far as airlines banning children from premium ser
114 Aa757first : Look it from the airline's point of view. Someone wants to spend $1,800 on an airline ticket. Do I accept the offer or tell them to buy a cheaper tick
115 Spark : I completely understand the issue that people have with kids on plane, especially after enduring an 22 hour flight from SFO to SIN (in coach, you'll s
116 SJCRRPAX : Actually, I was thinking about International travel as that is how this thread started. I see very little reason to send an American Kid off to Europ
117 Post contains images Tak : Hmmm, perhaps men with a BMI greater than 30 should be banned from first class or business class because there is a greater likelyhood that they will
118 EmiratesCPH : This thread reminds me a case which appeared in the Danish court. A passenger who flew C/cl on TG CPHBKK wanted his money back as a child (also on bus
119 WildcatYXU : I highly doubt he ever will. A person capable of reply # 16 most likely wouldn't be able to get laid without paying for it. And that, as some of us k
120 Chi-town : More money for the airline for the little buggers to sit first class
121 Baw716 : I'll keep this simple. Those of you who are whining about kids in J and F, you really need to get over yourselves. Use the earplugs and eyeshades they
122 Rotate : She turned 2 years as of beginning of Decemeber, so we did not have to pay for her this October .... - Lucky. Robin
123 Cumulus : Irrespective of if you've paid £50.00 to fly "cattle class" or £5000 to be in First, it's a public place and not exempt from "undue" noise. If it bo
124 Bongodog1964 : Why ? I can think of a few reasons, including visiting relatives and for holidays.
125 Kmh1956 : Perhaps as a learning experience? Travel broadens the mind, and it would do a lot of kids good to be able to travel overseas to experience life elsew
126 1stfl94 : Kids can be a pain but it's usually due to the parents. I was flying LHR-IAD-LHR on BA and on the flight out I was in World Traveller Plus and there w
127 SJCRRPAX : I agree except I think it can be done when they are older, certainly babies really get nothing out of flying overseas. I sent my daughter to Spain wh
128 YYCowboy : If only you could put velcro on the seats of their pants and get them to suck on a Neo Citron popsicle to knock them out. Well behaved children can be
129 SJCRRPAX : I was re-reading my posts, and to me it sounds like I might be complaining about kids personally, so I want to clear something up. I have never been b
130 Below : Ban kids from Business and First? What an excellent idea! But why stop there? * Ban fat people from coach * Ban snoring people from Business and First
131 RootsAir : Become more tolerant! That 's all I can tell you ! Kids are great !
132 Kaukau : I use earplugs and eye mask, and consider it my own responsibility to create a quiet, dark, environment for myself, whenever I want. Works great in ho
133 Post contains images USADreamliner : How dare people bring their kids in First class!? We ( the rich, snobby and famous) don't deserve this! They should go in the back, with the poor and
134 Cusaeng : put them in the hold ! send them down with the animals and the baggage then they have all the room they need to run around ... assuming cargo and bagg
135 Aerofan : for those of u who think it is ok to have your whining, screaming, kicking, misbehaving kids on board I ask you one thing. Where does your right end a
136 Post contains images SJCRRPAX : YOu know it's funny, but in this thread I don't think there is a single parent that said they had whining, screaming, kicking, or misbehaving kids. I
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