FCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 18 hours ago) and read 4448 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3): On order are 73Gs, 738s and 739s along with some A330s
An A330 in XL colours, now THAT I would like to see. I think it would look great! What routes are they planning to fly, re they just picking up from where ajet left off?
And what's with that 743??? it's manky and always going tech! I had the displeasure of positining on it to TAB a few weeks ago!
FCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 18 hours ago) and read 4439 times:
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5): Which one? Think they have 4/5 of them?
Ahhh sorry you got me there, Gkirk!
I was so peeved at not flying BA/VS that I omitted to get the reg. But whichever it was, it needed to either be scrapped/completely refurbed. The pax infront (fare paying of course) said.
''next time we'll pay the extra 100 pp and fly Virgin''
Jetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1084 posts, RR: 17 Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4045 times:
Quoting Cwldude (Reply 14): Why did Helios, and ajet fail? Because they were extremely unreliable!... Also because they had major safety issues!
Listen they had ONE accident! It stattered their repetution yes, but now its under the XL brand.
Quoting Cwldude (Reply 14): I'm not saying XLA aren't going to be able to rectify these problems, I wish them the very best of luck, all I'm saying is I predict it will be a turbulent first year for them!
Wait a minute! First you say its not going to work, now your saying it will? Which is it?
Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
So you say they're unreliable - back this up with some facts and figures or I may be tempted to think you're reverting to your anti XL prejudice you suffered from earlier this year....
Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 7): Of course Ajet was, so far as I understand it, actually owned by the holding company that owns XL.So really they are only going back to run what would have been operating anyway.
You're on the right track, but not quite there... I think this is a bit closer to the situation.
Excel were originally (part)?) owned by Libra Holidays group - they sold Excel to the Icelandic Avion Group.
The Libra Holidays group then took a stake in (or formed, not too sure of the timeline) Helios
Helios / Ajet was never owned by Avion.
Excel has been bought out by their management (renamed XL) and is now going to set up a base in Cyprus.
Steady Eddie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3932 times:
Diesel1, do as I do mate, ingore the likes of CWLdude, people who spend their time bleating about how certain airlines should be run, when they dont have any facts or any appreciation for the damage they can cause with their armchair theories.
Jetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1084 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 3842 times:
Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 18): Diesel1, do as I do mate, ingore the likes of CWLdude, people who spend their time bleating about how certain airlines should be run, when they dont have any facts or any appreciation for the damage they can cause with their armchair theories.
Spot on Steady Eddie! I hate people who just base airlines on opinions rather than facts or figures.
Cwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3771 times:
Right, the facts and figures on Excel Airways for the first half of this summer season:
Reliable airline ranking : 7/8
Average delay: 40.80 minutes
On-Time Performance: 61.79%
15.32% of flights were delayed more than an hour
5.37% of flights were delayed more than three hours
Granted, they've improved a mere 3% on last year, but it's gonna take a lot more than that!
I can't seem to find where I've read about AlphaJet being under investigation for their lack of safety, I know they've only had one crash, but I definately remember reading somewhere that they had a few other serious problems that needed sorted.
I haven't got time to look into it now anyway, I'm off out, but I'll certainly look into it when I next get a chance! Not that I need to though... as part of the reason they have ceased to operate is due to a decision by the Cypriot CAA... they don't just close an airline down because they feel like it!
Oh, and by the way... I don't dislike Excel for the fun of it, I remember the day when I thought they were the best airline in the charter industry, and they were!... look at them now!
[Edited 2006-12-09 22:02:41]
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CYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 809 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3670 times:
Quoting Cwldude (Reply 22): as part of the reason they have ceased to operate is due to a decision by the Cypriot CAA...
To be fair, the exact reason for Cypriot CAA deciding to stop ajet operations has nothing to do with safety.
The story goes like this:
Ajet is in huge debt due to the crash and the inability of the management to find short term solution to enhance the company cash flow.
Ajet management decide that ajet would cease operations in 3 months from the announcement in november.
On hearing of the announcement, debtors "rush" to get all they can out of the company in fear they would loose more money.
Ajet decide that the company will stop operations immediately. They hand it the appropriate paperwork to the Cypriot CAA but at the same day try to perform 3 flights. It was then when the CAA stopped them on the basis of the submitted letter that ajet was to stop operations with immediate effect.
A bit complicated story but that's what happened.
25 Steady Eddie: CWLdude you're at it again. Please can you just explain how a year old next-generation B737-800 can be deemed by you as being unreliable. I have just
26 Jmc757: Spot on Diesel as usual! You are right in saying Libra took a stake in Helios, they were already a going concern Libra just bought them, didn't form