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Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus  
User currently offlineSpetouss From Cyprus, joined Jun 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

After the demise of Alpha Jet Aviation (Ajet) in Cyprus, Excel Airways, is going to base a number of aircrafts in Cyprus to fill in the gap. Training of local personell is already on the way.

Anybody holds more information to share on the issue concerning operations and number / type of aircraft to be transferred ?

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User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5611 times:

Hi there

This was discussed a few weeks ago but we could not find any more information

It seems that things are moving very slowly.

For the original post click below

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...searchid=3112881&s=excel#ID3112881



CY@Uk
User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

I only hope that the Cypriots and all other pax ex-Cyprus don't suffer the same lengthly delays as us poor old brit holidaymakers  Big grin

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 2):
I only hope that the Cypriots and all other pax ex-Cyprus don't suffer the same lengthly delays as us poor old brit holidaymakers Big grin

The 734 is now gone (thankfully  Wink ) and the 757s should also soon be going. Leaving XLA with 738s, 762/763 and 743 a/c  Wink
On order are 73Gs, 738s and 739s along with some A330s  crazy 



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User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
On order are 73Gs, 738s and 739s along with some A330s

An A330 in XL colours, now THAT I would like to see. I think it would look great! What routes are they planning to fly, re they just picking up from where ajet left off?
And what's with that 743??? it's manky and always going tech! I had the displeasure of positining on it to TAB a few weeks ago!


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 4):
And what's with that 743??? it's manky and always going tech! I had the displeasure of positining on it to TAB a few weeks ago!

Which one? Think they have 4/5 of them?



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User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Which one? Think they have 4/5 of them?

Ahhh sorry you got me there, Gkirk!
I was so peeved at not flying BA/VS that I omitted to get the reg. But whichever it was, it needed to either be scrapped/completely refurbed. The pax infront (fare paying of course) said.
''next time we'll pay the extra 100 pp and fly Virgin''


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5448 times:

Of course Ajet was, so far as I understand it, actually owned by the holding company that owns XL.So really they are only going back to run what would have been operating anyway.

User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5335 times:

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 7):
Of course Ajet was, so far as I understand it, actually owned by the holding company that owns XL

Excel became independent following a managment buy out last month I belive.

Phil
FlyingColours



Lifes a train racing towards you, now you can either run away or grab a chair & a beer and watch it come - Phil
User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Which one? Think they have 4/5 of them?

At the moment the only have one TF-AME

The have acquired two a/c from aJet along the way. G-OXLB (ex 5B-BDH) and recently G-OXLC (ex 5B-BCE) which the latter is awaiting livery at FZO.

mark

[Edited 2006-12-07 14:30:35]


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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 9):
The have acquired two a/c from aJet along the way. G-OXLB (ex 5B-BDH) and recently G-OXLC (ex 5B-BCE) which the latter is awaiting livery at FZO.

So they're basically going to be operating two very unreliable aircraft! Brace yourselves Cyprus!



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User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):
So they're basically going to be operating two very unreliable aircraft! Brace yourselves Cyprus!

of course - this is Excel or ''XL'' we're talking bout
 cheeky 


User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 11):
Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):
So they're basically going to be operating two very unreliable aircraft! Brace yourselves Cyprus!

of course - this is Excel or ''XL'' we're talking bout

Why are they unreliable???? Because they were operated by Ajet? Its an aircraft for god sake! Why do Cyprus have to "brace themselves"?

G-OXLC is a brand new aircraft, built in May 2006. Look just because one of Helios had one incident doesn't mean the rest of the fleet is a threat.

Sit down  Wink Come back when you know about abit more about XL

Mark



Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

True...

Does this mean XL will be operating scheduled Cypriot flights?


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

Why did Helios, and ajet fail? Because they were extremely unreliable!... Also because they had major safety issues!

I'm not saying XLA aren't going to be able to rectify these problems, I wish them the very best of luck, all I'm saying is I predict it will be a turbulent first year for them!



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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 14):
Why did Helios, and ajet fail? Because they were extremely unreliable!... Also because they had major safety issues!

Listen they had ONE accident! It stattered their repetution yes, but now its under the XL brand.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 14):
I'm not saying XLA aren't going to be able to rectify these problems, I wish them the very best of luck, all I'm saying is I predict it will be a turbulent first year for them!

Wait a minute! First you say its not going to work, now your saying it will? Which is it?

Mark



Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
User currently offlineSteady Eddie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

FCAFLYBOY TAB is a 767 route, dont recall the 743 covering for the 767 in the last few weeks, could be wrong but dont remember it.

User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):

So you say they're unreliable - back this up with some facts and figures or I may be tempted to think you're reverting to your anti XL prejudice you suffered from earlier this year....

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 7):
Of course Ajet was, so far as I understand it, actually owned by the holding company that owns XL.So really they are only going back to run what would have been operating anyway.

You're on the right track, but not quite there... I think this is a bit closer to the situation.
Excel were originally (part)?) owned by Libra Holidays group - they sold Excel to the Icelandic Avion Group.

The Libra Holidays group then took a stake in (or formed, not too sure of the timeline) Helios

Helios / Ajet was never owned by Avion.

Excel has been bought out by their management (renamed XL) and is now going to set up a base in Cyprus.



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User currently offlineSteady Eddie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

Diesel1, do as I do mate, ingore the likes of CWLdude, people who spend their time bleating about how certain airlines should be run, when they dont have any facts or any appreciation for the damage they can cause with their armchair theories.

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Arent the 743s to be replaced by 744s?

User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 18):

You raise a good point about how you should respond to claptrap when it is posted - like you said, you can ignore it, but sometimes I like to challenge.

If a poster can't come up with a few facts to back up erroneous opinions, then as far as I am concerned it just discredits any opinions they have...  Smile

Not all those who read a thread will have realised the nonsense that is propagated.



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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 18):
Diesel1, do as I do mate, ingore the likes of CWLdude, people who spend their time bleating about how certain airlines should be run, when they dont have any facts or any appreciation for the damage they can cause with their armchair theories.

Spot on Steady Eddie! I hate people who just base airlines on opinions rather than facts or figures.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 19):
Arent the 743s to be replaced by 744s?

I think this idea has now been scrapped with the order of the A330's

Mark



Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Right, the facts and figures on Excel Airways for the first half of this summer season:

Reliable airline ranking : 7/8
Average delay: 40.80 minutes
On-Time Performance: 61.79%
15.32% of flights were delayed more than an hour
5.37% of flights were delayed more than three hours

Granted, they've improved a mere 3% on last year, but it's gonna take a lot more than that!

I can't seem to find where I've read about AlphaJet being under investigation for their lack of safety, I know they've only had one crash, but I definately remember reading somewhere that they had a few other serious problems that needed sorted.

I haven't got time to look into it now anyway, I'm off out, but I'll certainly look into it when I next get a chance! Not that I need to though... as part of the reason they have ceased to operate is due to a decision by the Cypriot CAA... they don't just close an airline down because they feel like it!

Oh, and by the way... I don't dislike Excel for the fun of it, I remember the day when I thought they were the best airline in the charter industry, and they were!... look at them now!

[Edited 2006-12-09 22:02:41]


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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 22):

Try answering the question.

You said "So they're basically going to be operating two very unreliable aircraft"

What facts do you have to that show that the aforementioned aircraft are
unreliable?

The on-time performance of the airline that you give (no source by the way) is no indication of the reliability of otherwise of individual aircraft.

Go ahead... I have a totally open mind on this, so convince me.



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User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4702 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 22):
as part of the reason they have ceased to operate is due to a decision by the Cypriot CAA...

To be fair, the exact reason for Cypriot CAA deciding to stop ajet operations has nothing to do with safety.

The story goes like this:

Ajet is in huge debt due to the crash and the inability of the management to find short term solution to enhance the company cash flow.

Ajet management decide that ajet would cease operations in 3 months from the announcement in november.

On hearing of the announcement, debtors "rush" to get all they can out of the company in fear they would loose more money.

Ajet decide that the company will stop operations immediately. They hand it the appropriate paperwork to the Cypriot CAA but at the same day try to perform 3 flights. It was then when the CAA stopped them on the basis of the submitted letter that ajet was to stop operations with immediate effect.

A bit complicated story but that's what happened.



CY@Uk
25 Steady Eddie : CWLdude you're at it again. Please can you just explain how a year old next-generation B737-800 can be deemed by you as being unreliable. I have just
26 Jmc757 : Spot on Diesel as usual! You are right in saying Libra took a stake in Helios, they were already a going concern Libra just bought them, didn't form
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