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Air Canada ‘Best Business Class To Canada’.  
User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

Air Canada has been voted ‘Best Business Class to Canada’ by the readers of the U.S. magazine, Business Traveler.

Star Alliance was chosen as the world’s Best Airline Alliance.
In total, Star Alliance partners earned top honours in 12 categories.

Complete results of this year’s reader survey appear in the magazine’s December/January issue.

“We are very honoured that Air Canada has been selected by some of the world’s most discerning, well-travelled executives as offering their preferred premium service to Canada,” said Sean Menke, Executive Vice president and Chief Commercial Officer. “We take pride in offering a superior product to earn our customers’ loyalty. The feedback we’ve received from customers on the new additions to our fleet and major enhancements to our in-flight amenities has been extremely positive.”

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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

Americans voting for Business Class to Canada? Wouldn't their voting be primarily on US-Canada services, as opposed to Europe/Asia - Canada services? Seems a little skewed to me.....

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 1):
Seems a little skewed to me.....

Scewed how? It's a US business magazine. Nothing to do with AC

Kris



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User currently offlineAirbusCanada From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

well, no other schedule airline offeres business class in canada.

what a victory for Air Canada


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 3):
well, no other schedule airline offeres business class in canada.

It was an article rating airlines that fly to Canada. Not within Canada. That means AC was compared to the US majors that fly to Canadian cities as well.

Sure no other scheduled Canadian airline offers business class, but hey that makes AC that more attractive in my opinion.



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Congratulations to AC and Star Alliance  Smile

User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 3):
what a victory for Air Canada

HAHA I can almost hear the inflection in your voice!

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 4):
It was an article rating airlines that fly to Canada. Not within Canada. That means AC was compared to the US majors that fly to Canadian cities as well.

Right, so that also means NOT just Canadian/US carriers. In which case, after seeing the picture of AC business class on the homepage earlier, do you really think that AC offers ''the best'' Biz clas of ANY airline that flies to Canada. If we're talking intra-US-Canada flights, your probably right, but internationally?, no way.


User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

Air Canada do offer an excellent product and their new lie flat beds are a dream to fly on.
I'm looking forward to them flying their triple sevens which will just be three months away.


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 2):
Scewed how? It's a US business magazine. Nothing to do with AC

you misunderstood me. Skewed because the competition in the survey would be primarily US carriers and AC, with products that are on narrowbody aircraft and of a shorthaul nature; not the likes of AF, BA, CX, LH and AC, which would be a more realistic group of carriers offering true international business class service to Canada.

Shorthaul vs shorthaul, yes, AC has a decent product. But compared to the above-mentioned longhaul airlines? I'm not so sure......


User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Yes, but was the magazine offering this from an international perspective or an American perspective? If it is primarily catering to an American audience, it doesn't matter what business class BA offers, because it doesn't offer it on flights to Canada from the US. Otherwise, if it's catering to an international audience, I'd agree with you.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 1):
Americans voting for Business Class to Canada? Wouldn't their voting be primarily on US-Canada services, as opposed to Europe/Asia - Canada services? Seems a little skewed to me.....

I agree. This award is dubious. AC, by nature of its formerly government-owned size and largesse, is the largest trans-border carrier, and indeed likely the only carrier with a business class product -- most US carriers have first class.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

BA use to do a 757 flight from JFK to Toronto which had great service and cheap fare in business class. I would have voted for BA. W


747SP
User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4981 times:

While they only have a handful of aircraft, Harmony also offers a business class product as well.

User currently offline747433 From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
AC, by nature of its formerly government-owned size and largesse, is the largest trans-border carrier

AC enjoys today the largest share of the transborder market because of the bold business plan it superbly executed in 1994-96. AC took a big gamble and was one of the 1st to order the CRJ and quickly introduced dozens of point to point trans-border routes once the new liberalized US/Canada bilateral went into effect. AC has also maintained a superior food-offering and NA lounge product. US Immigration and Customs pre-clearance is also a huge advantage that US based carriers have over AC. Good for AC they deserve this award.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
AC, by nature of its formerly government-owned size and largesse, is the largest trans-border carrier, and indeed likely the only carrier with a business class product -- most US carriers have first class.

US first class is equal to or inferior to AC's Executive First. As you know, AC does not have a 3-class system, nor do most US majors. So we're comparing pears to kumquats.
Being the largest transborder carrier has absolutely nothing to do with its previous Crown Corp status. That's such ancient history - since which most transborder routes have been introduced.

Quoting Warren747sp (Reply 11):
BA use to do a 757 flight from JFK to Toronto

I'm sure the award didn't offer a retroactive choice.

Quoting Kdonohue (Reply 12):
Harmony also offers a business class product as well.

But not nearly as good as AC's.



The nice thing about a mistake is the pleasure it gives others.
User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Hate to put in a negative comment to such a positive post, but I can't help saying that I really badly wish they would put some attention and effort into the economy class.
Cheers,
Carl (AY104)



The only thing a customer should expect for his/her loyalty is good service
User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Quoting AY104 (Reply 15):
I can't help saying that I really badly wish they would put some attention and effort into the economy class.

Oh but they have. It's called Project XM and it improves life in the cheap seats immensely.
If you've recently flown aboard one of the more ragged old 767's, I can understand your concern, but they will all be refit. I believe there are schedules posted on AC's website or else an employee can provide a link to when you can expect to see all of a particular plane type completed.



The nice thing about a mistake is the pleasure it gives others.
User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Quoting BOE773 (Thread starter):
Air Canada has been voted ‘Best Business Class to Canada’ by the readers of the U.S. magazine, Business Traveler.

Flown Air Canada business to the Latin Ameican market and found it no better than Y class, as far as I am conerned a waste of money



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

I just arrived in DEN this morning on AC 1039 from YYZ and I was impressed. I was in the first Y row and the F/A in F was giving excellent service from what I could see (and so was the F/A in Y). Every AC employee I encountered was friendly and helpfull.

I really enjoyed AC and YYZ for the two days I was there.

Now I'm on a five hour layover waiting for my first flight on F9.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 17):
Flown Air Canada business to the Latin Ameican market and found it no better than Y class, as far as I am conerned a waste of money

It appears that your opinion is in the minority. I wonder who you would choose on your next trip?



The nice thing about a mistake is the pleasure it gives others.
User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 19):
It appears that your opinion is in the minority. I wonder who you would choose on your next trip?

Unfortunately I have to fly A.C and have no choice, but next time will fly through the States. I do not like A.C have had to many run ins with them starting back in the 60's. The attitude at A.C is that they are still a Government run airline and that one can be fired. I have family that works for AC and they can tell some horror tales



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

Quoting Kdonohue (Reply 12):
While they only have a handful of aircraft, Harmony also offers a business class product as well.

Here Here - Harmony do have a good product, but more importantly, EXCELLENT service!


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2180 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 20):
The attitude at A.C is that they are still a Government run airline and that one can be fired.

Well, they are not. Period.

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 20):
I have family that works for AC and they can tell some horror tales

well then tell...

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 20):
Unfortunately I have to fly A.C and have no choice

What do you mean? AC is giving you free tickets to help them put some secret money at one of our banks' branch at the Barbados? -Disclaimer : I'm kidding! no offense intended!-

No one has to fly an airline and everyone has the choice. At least between Barbados and Canada where several airlines operate. Don't fly them if you don't like them.



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 22):
No one has to fly an airline and everyone has the choice. At least between Barbados and Canada where several airlines operate. Don't fly them if you don't like them.

No offense taken. With BWIA, now Caribbean Airways, there is no other flights between BGI and YYZ except AC. Caribbean Airways, you have to overnight in Trinidad and then continue the flight the next day. I have written to West Jet and suggested they take up the slack out of Hamilton, as there is a big catchment area here and the landing fees are half of YYZ. So you can see my dilemma



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 24):
Haha you have no choice you sucker. why the hell you keep flying on AC if you dont' like it?.. You said you'd rather go through the states then why the hell didn't you do that in the 80s and 90s?

There is no need to become offensive. I don't like AC and that's my personal feeling whether you like it or not. If you talked to some of your pax maybe you would find out the truth. It was much better when WardAIr and CP flew, the service and personnel were great. You see I live in Hamilton not Barbados and use West Jet in Canada and BA to Europe.



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
25 Boston92 : Air Canada, "Only Business Class to Canada". Just Kidding, or am I?
26 Abrelosojos : = What are you trying to say here? Cheers, A.
27 CayMan : That's just incorrect, US pre-clearance exists at key Canadian airports and of course AC takes full advantage of it. It does not exist only for US ai
28 747433 : If you fly NW for example between YULPHX via DTW you clear security and customs and immigration for both Canada and the USA in YUL. The connection pro
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