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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6122 times:
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SEATTLE, Dec. 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing Company (NYSE:BA) today confirmed that UK-based carrier and integrated-tour operator First Choice Airways has ordered an additional two Boeing 787-8 Dreamliners with deliveries beginning in 2011. This order previously was listed on Boeing's Orders and Deliveries webpage attributed to an unidentified customer.

First Choice, the European launch customer for the 787, placed its first order for six 787s in July 2004. With today's announcement, First Choice now has eight 787s on order. Boeing will deliver First Choice's first 787 in the first quarter of 2009.


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http://www.boeing.com or http://www.prnewsire.com

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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Two more frames for GE...

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
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Here is an easier link;

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061207/sfw095.html?.v=74

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineTradewindL1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

Here's the direct Boeing link:
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061206d_nr.html

~Trades


User currently offlineCXH From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Any First Choice insiders on a.net? (either First Choice Holidays or First Choice Airways)

Questions:
1) I hear they'll have up to six 763's in the new config (33" pitch in economy with AVOD for all seats) by 2007. And those 763s are for long haul use exclusively? Will the 787s replace the 763s on a one-for-one basis once they begin arriving in 2009?

2) With the decline in short haul (i.e Spain) from the UK by FCA, will some of the older 752s start going away? In Canada, Skyservice is flying lots of older FCA (and MyTravel?) 752s during the winter.

Thanks!



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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5281 times:

UK Charter companies regularly send their aircraft over to Canada for the winter season because it's the high season over there and the low season over here!

Rumours have been circulating a lot recently that FCA are going to go exclusively long-haul! So let's just wait and see what the future brings...



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 5):
Rumours have been circulating a lot recently that FCA are going to go exclusively long-haul! So let's just wait and see what the future brings...

Thats probably come about with the possible sale of First Choice mainstream package holiday business to MyTravel or Thomas Cook. However the big question is would First Choice retain the long haul package holiday business or get rid of the whole lot?



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User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting CXH (Reply 4):
1) I hear they'll have up to six 763's in the new config (33" pitch in economy with AVOD for all seats) by 2007. And those 763s are for long haul use exclusively? Will the 787s replace the 763s on a one-for-one basis once they begin arriving in 2009?

The 787's will be used MAINLY on LH. This may change depending on whether
First Choice SELLS it's SH operations OR it BUYS MyTravels (which is looking VERY likely at the moment, wink wink)

Quoting CXH (Reply 4):
With the decline in short haul (i.e Spain) from the UK by FCA, will some of the older 752s start going away? In Canada, Skyservice is flying lots of older FCA (and MyTravel?) 752s during the winter.

FCA (and staff) can't WAIT to get rid of the 752s. Shorthaul will be a320/321 only then and much better suited.


User currently offlineCXH From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

FCAFLYBOY: Thanks for the info!
- CXH



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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 7):
FCA (and staff) can't WAIT to get rid of the 752s. Shorthaul will be a320/321 only then and much better suited.

The 757s were not that bad, I liked them although the A320 was a dream to work on  Smile (Although AU had its moments...)

I wish all my former FCA colleagues the best of luck with the 787 ops & I might come back some other time  Smile

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4404 times:
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Quoting CXH (Reply 4):
I hear they'll have up to six 763's in the new config (33" pitch in economy with AVOD for all seats) by 2007. And those 763s are for long haul use exclusively? Will the 787s replace the 763s on a one-for-one basis once they begin arriving in 2009?

That's correct. The original 787 order for 6 aircraft matched the planned 767 fleet of 6 aircraft at the time. The order did not go beyond that as the concept of the low-density layout with wider seats, extra legroom and AVOD had not been tried and proven.

As of now with the current 767 fleet standing at 5 (G-OOAN/G-OOBK/G-OOBL/G-OOBM/G-DBLA) with the 6th aircraft (G-PJLO) due in a few weeks, the concept has been proven and the airline can go ahead with further expansion - bearing in mind that the current fleet is already a significant expansion over the 2 767s in service at the time of the original 7E7 order.

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The only regular 767 (and 787) flying is long-haul with only occasional short-haul usage to cover operational problems or to provide very occasional extra capacity, with only 258 seats the new 767 layout is uneconomical for short-haul routes when compared to the old 312 seat layout which was regularly scheduled for short-haul flying. Most short-haul flying in the summers were midweek but during the winter the aircraft also flew short-haul at weekends on ski flights to GVA/SZG/GNB.

The 787 (and 767) will not be scheduled for short-haul flying as long as they remain in their current low-density layouts.

Quoting CXH (Reply 4):
With the decline in short haul (i.e Spain) from the UK by FCA, will some of the older 752s start going away? In Canada, Skyservice is flying lots of older FCA (and MyTravel?) 752s during the winter.

The 757 fleet is stable at the moment, with no disposals planned for the next couple of years - I believe 2009 is the next end-of-lease in the 757 fleet. The slight reduction in short-haul capacity is being achieved by the reduction in the A321 fleet (and soon the A320 as well)

Most of the 757 fleet were acquired fairly recently, either as some of the last Boeing new built aircraft or on the second-hand market (after refurbishment with flat screen IFE monitors etc)

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 7):
FCA (and staff) can't WAIT to get rid of the 752s. Shorthaul will be a320/321 only then and much better suited.

That's not true at all...

Whatever your personal opinions that isn't what the airline thinks!

Most of the future fleet plans include the 757 in some form or another - either alongside the 787/738/739 or 787 plus new 320/321 aircraft. The only fleet plans not including the 757 is 787 plus 737/320 replacement aircraft yet to be launched by Boeing/Airbus. Personally I think the latter will be the route the company goes down and the 757 fleet will be retained until Boeing/Airbus can provide a replacement for the whole narrowbody fleet.

For FCA the 757 is irreplaceable, due to it's payload/range capabilities - vital for destinations such as The Gambia and Egypt as well as ETOPS capabilities for missions such as the TCS Expeditions contract and long-haul backup duties. Also the cross-scheduling of pilots with the long-haul 767 is an economic benefit to both fleets in terms of crew utilization and flexibility.

The 757/767 fleet is the backbone of the airline, with no plans to dispose of the 767 until the 787 fleet arrives - and no definite plans to dispose of the 757 fleet at all save for a couple of lease returns on the oldest aircraft in 2009.

Best Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 7):
The 787's will be used MAINLY on LH. This may change depending on whether
First Choice SELLS it's SH operations OR it BUYS MyTravels (which is looking VERY likely at the moment, wink wink)

Surely you mean how MYT will probably buy FCA's SH ops? I think it would be highly contradictory if FCA suddenly bought MYT's SH ops, as it would go against their plan of focussing on the LH.



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User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1759 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 6):
Thats probably come about with the possible sale of First Choice mainstream package holiday business to MyTravel or Thomas Cook. However the big question is would First Choice retain the long haul package holiday business or get rid of the whole lot?

MyTravel will serve short haul holidays and First Choice will serve long haul holidays. This has been confirmed in resort at the weekend by one of my friends who works for First Choice.



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User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 10):
For FCA the 757 is irreplaceable, due to it's payload/range capabilities

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Good overview as always Crosswind, I hear simlar comments often from a friend who works in FLA op's, the 757 is irreplaceable with the current fleet setup, from a route planning and economic view point. It dose the job.



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 12):

That may yet turn out to be the situation... but a resort worker for a tour operator is not going to be privy to confidential information like that.
so it is most definitely not confirmed.



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User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1759 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 14):
That may yet turn out to be the situation... but a resort worker for a tour operator is not going to be privy to confidential information like that.
so it is most definitely not confirmed

It is common knowledge to everyone that I know who works in the travel indstry here, and both companies aren´t trying to keep it quiet.



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User currently offlineBusz From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 15):
It is common knowledge to everyone that I know who works in the travel indstry here, and both companies aren´t trying to keep it quiet.

Not at all true. I work for the airline and no-one apart from senior management has any clue as to what our future holds. Uncertain times we live in.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Two more frames for GE...

Lol..sometimes you crack me up PM.... Smile



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 10):
For FCA the 757 is irreplaceable, due to it's payload/range capabilities - vital for destinations such as The Gambia and Egypt as well as ETOPS capabilities for missions such as the TCS Expeditions contract

What does the TCS Expeditions contract involve?



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User currently offlineTheLiney From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Humberside,

The TCS Expeditions contract basically requires that one of our aircraft, every winter, is reconfigured from the 233 seat (economy class) layout to a 90 seat, business class style layout. This incorporates large leather double seats instead of the usual economy triple seats.

The aircraft (This season it is G-OOBA) is then sent on a tour, which normally lasts around 2-3 weeks, which will have a specific theme...something like 'The 7 Wonders of the World'.

FCA supply the aircraft and its Flight Crew, Cabin Crew and Engineers.....and there is also a travelling TCS representative who gives on board presentations regarding the next destination.

All in all it seems a rather expensive venture for the lucky passengers who get to go on the trip........I heard a rumour that the cost for the trip was over $20,000!!!....but how true that is i have no idea...so feel free to correct me if this is incorrect.

Best Regards

TheLiney

P.S....My first post......ave it!!!!


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6849 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Lol..sometimes you crack me up PM....  Smile

Gotta keep track of what the enemy are doing...  Wink


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 15):
It is common knowledge to everyone that I know who works in the travel indstry here, and both companies aren´t trying to keep it quiet.

There is no common knowledge, only rumours and ideas on what might occur. I believe something along those lines will happen, but it's too early to tell. Anything could happen at this point, and one cannot post on the subject with any certainty.



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