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User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

Press-Telegram Article

"A former JetBlue Airways executive has resubmitted an application to operate 20 commuter flight slots at Long Beach Airport."

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24307 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

The commuter slots are certainly available for the asking.

The bigger question is the viability of such a proposed operation. As mentioned in the article this project has been in development for quite some time with previous abortive attempts to launch service.

While LGB is situated in a large catchment area previous attempts to use the airport to launch stand alone operations have faltered as SoCal after all does still have many other airline options making the viability of a locally based small operation quite precarious.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

I just want to get this straight. Twenty commuter slots equals 10 arrivals and 10 departures or does it mean there can be 20 arrivals and 20 departures?


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User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
While LGB is situated in a large catchment area previous attempts to use the airport to launch stand alone operations have faltered as SoCal after all does still have many other airline options making the viability of a locally based small operation quite precarious.

I totally agree with you. It's not viable, especially with fuel prices being what they are. I could understand a LGB-SAN or LGB-SBA route, but what more do we need?


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Now we know where Island Air is thinking of putting some equipment. The rumors a few weeks ago
Island Air Signs LOI For S/H On West Coast
confused a company being based in Henderson, NV with being the location of operations. LGB makes more sense.

Quote:
Hawaii Island Air, which operates as Island Air out of Hawaii, will be providing BAG Aviation with a fleet of at least three Bombardier Q100 and Q400 commuter aircraft for flights into and out of Long Beach, Wilcox said.



Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 2):
Twenty commuter slots equals 10 arrivals and 10 departures or does it mean there can be 20 arrivals and 20 departures?

At LGB that would be 20 arrivals and 20 departures.

[Edited 2006-12-07 20:09:12]


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24307 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 4):
Now we know where Island Air is thinking of putting some equipment. The rumors a few weeks ago

I'm not too sure about that.

Island Air furloughed about 15% of its work force earlier this week and two Dash-8s are getting returned to lessors.

Employees were told the mainland plans were "out of the picture for now."

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...le/2006/Dec/02/bz/FP612020349.html

The way things are rapidly headed South for Island Air, I'm not sure they will even be around for the long run, let alone venture to the mainland.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
Employees were told the mainland plans were "out of the picture for now."

So a little conflicting info from the 2 parties to the LOI?

Or does "for now" mean not soon enough to avoid layoffs, since the new LGB flights would not start until next year. LGB is giving until Dec 14 for competing proposals, then a decision period then up to 6 months to use or lose the slots.

I wonder what will develop.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
Employees were told the mainland plans were "out of the picture for now."

I heard that too. But only from a single post on the Hawaii's Airlines forum (which doubled as the HERO forum until the new dontflygo.com owner added their own) and there hadn't been anything official. You know what they say about the rumors from airline employees...


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24307 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 7):
I heard that too. But only from a single post on the Hawaii's Airlines forum



Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 7):
You know what they say about the rumors from airline employees...

Actually it was published by the Island Air pilot MEC regarding the furloughs.

Obviously whatever Island Air was working on, it was not enough to stave off the lay offs, aircraft returns and route discontinuations.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineGmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

The article below states that QX got 3 (ie 3 takeoff and 3 landing) of the 20 slots. The question is where would QX fly to? Maybe Palm Springs

http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seatt...006/12/18/daily8.html?jst=cn_cn_lk


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Quoting Asteriskceo (Reply 3):
LGB-SBA

I would love that. Here in SBA, we need some E-Jets and some LCCs.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9372 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting Gmcc (Reply 9):
The article below states that QX got 3 (ie 3 takeoff and 3 landing) of the 20 slots. The question is where would QX fly to? Maybe Palm Springs

http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seatt...cn_lk

Your link doesn't work for me.

QX inaugurated service to Long Beach from SEA with CR7s before Alaska started flights on mainline equipment if I remember correctly. It could be service to PDX, GEG or SFO.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24307 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Try this
http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/061218/1392073.html?.v=2

Of the remaining available slots proposed start up BAG Aviation received 17.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineGmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Laxintl. Thanks for fixing that.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

I did some research after this thread started.

Alex Wilcox, the president of BAG Aviation Holdings, submitted an application for slots last year as Smooth Flight Holdings.

Among the airports that said they were talking with Smooth Flight inr the past year were Williams in Arizona
Airport officials also have been talking with executives of Smooth Flight Holdings of Henderson, Nev., about flights to southern California on 78-passenger, Q-400 Bombadier jets, Barry said.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...articles/0408mr-vision0408Z11.html

and Las Vegas, although officials indicated it might be better to fly to North Las Vegas or Henderson Executive.
http://www.inbusinesslasvegas.com/2005/08/19/feature1.html



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Since the commuter airline is run by an ex-B6 person, would they attempt some tie in by coordinating schedules, interline bags, book through the B6 website or something like that? Or are they going to try to compete against them?

User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 15):
Since the commuter airline is run by an ex-B6 person, would they attempt some tie in by coordinating schedules, interline bags, book through the B6 website or something like that? Or are they going to try to compete against them?

Doesn't sound like a competition, different markets.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4199 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Can we change the title to say "LGB" and "Commuter Slots"?
It would be much more correct (unlike my grammar)!

And a former "operations manager" for JetBlue's West Coast flights? As if that is enough qualifications to start your own commuter carrier??



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