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Delta New 9" PTVs In Economy  
User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10417 times:

From Delta.com, Delta's News Release:

"All five of the new 777 aircraft will be delivered with fully horizontal personal sleeper suites in BusinessElite® featuring on-demand in-flight entertainment systems in every suite. Customers flying in Economy class also will enjoy more room and nine-inch personal entertainment screens in every seat back, complementing Delta’s efforts to retrofit its fleet of 777s and more than 100 737-800 and 767-300 aircraft with on-demand, in-seat entertainment at every customer’s seat by the end of 2008."

Great news to hear that Economy will get 9'' PTVs. I wonder if the other 777s and 764s will get these PTVs or if they will get the smaller-domestic version they put on the 757s and will put on the 763s and 738s?

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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10382 times:

These will be new screens it says in Y on all 767 and 737 a/c. As well as the 777. They may not want to upgrade the current planes quite yet as the financial situation does not neccessitate swapping the screens quite yet. The 764 and the 777's that are all ready out there may eventually get them.


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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10282 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Thread starter):
100 737-800 and 767-300 aircraft with on-demand, in-seat entertainment at every customer’s seat by the end of 2008."

Come again? The 737s? Therefore, only the MD birds will be without PTVs. That is the way to go. AA will loose an Adavntage member as soon as i use up them miles.. Big grin



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User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

It is so nice to see an American carrier actually competing with product. Way to go Delta! I wouldn't be surprised to see Continental or United announce something like this soon...

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10215 times:
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Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 3):
It is so nice to see an American carrier actually competing with product. Way to go Delta!

Just pray that US doesn't get its hands on DL...otherwise you can kiss goodbye to these enhancements - Parker views this as a transportation business with no bells and whistles - just the lowest fares for the lowest common denominator....


User currently offlineFreedom747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10209 times:

Since day one, DL has always been a Class Act, baby!!

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5828 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9972 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 3):
It is so nice to see an American carrier actually competing with product.

Uh, I think you mean it's nice to see DELTA actually competing with product... considering Continental (for example, as my favorite airline) is flying 767-224s internationally with Boeing Signature interiors (no one else is), has PTV's in coach on their 764s (Delta didn't) is working on AVOD in coach on 757s soon (is Delta's PTV system going to be AVOD? I haven't heard) and still serves meals at mealtimes.

Oh, and have I mentioned that Continental even offers pillows and blankets for FREE? AA doesn't on MD-80s, and NW doesn't know what a pillow even looks like.

Oh, and Conti has laptop power at many seats, and audio entertainment at all seats on most aircraft. NW does have ANY of those things. And AA's biggest fleet (S80) doesn't have audio, either.

So, in short, there HAS been a US carrier out there competing by product, and that is Continental Airlines.

Continental Airlines. Other airlines fly all over the world. They just don't land in as many places.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9950 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
(is Delta's PTV system going to be AVOD? I haven't heard)

Yes

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
has PTV's in coach on their 764s (Delta didn't)

They're coming.


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9902 times:

Doesnt CO have PTVs in their 762s as well, or is that understood by Boeing Signature Interior?


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9861 times:

This is really good news for Delta's in-flight product, which I feel has been lacking for quite some time.

User currently offlineJDJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 28 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9779 times:

wow, this has ended up being an unproductive day for me with DL news coming from every direction- 772LR, 737 and now this.

User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 3):
It is so nice to see an American carrier actually competing with product. Way to go Delta!

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But after IFE, I'm still missing the food...



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9661 times:

Quoting EFHK (Reply 11):
But after IFE, I'm still missing the food...

Dear God, nobody is ever satisfied.  sarcastic 

Hell, I've flown steerage, business, and first on many carriers and you know what...the food sucks on all of them. I'd rather bring me own even on someone like Singapore or Virgin. I know I could do better and would just need to nuke it for warmth.



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User currently offlineContinental123 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9630 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Thread starter):
737-800 and 767-300 aircraft with on-demand, in-seat entertainment at every customer’s seat

This is great news considering that during the summer FLL-LAX is operated by a 738. Too bad it isn't happening sooner. The aircraft used on that route will probably get PTVs sooner.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5828 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

Quoting EFHK (Reply 11):
But after IFE, I'm still missing the food...

Ooooh, see my first reply!!!  Smile

Quoting Captaink (Reply 8):
Doesnt CO have PTVs in their 762s as well, or is that understood by Boeing Signature Interior?

Yes, Conti does have ptv's in coach in 762s.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
They're coming.

Yes, but for the time being, Continental is YEARS (better part of a decade, actually) ahead in... PRODUCT OFFERED.


I had no intention of turning my post into a Delta bashing, Continental cheerleading write up, even though that's what I ended up doing. Apologies for that.
It just seems to me that Delta is announcing competitive products a bit late.
BUT, I am super-glad for the fact that they are about to exit bankruptcy. Better to still exist without PTV's than go all the way down because of them.
I am also glad that the latest rumor is that US is backing away... that was a bad idea, in my book.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
Hell, I've flown steerage, business, and first on many carriers and you know what...the food sucks on all of them.

Fly QANTAS. Food is good to excellent, full meal on even 1:20 duration flights SYD-MEL.

Dismissing service levels just because DL doesn't want to offer them is pretty lame. Good job on the IFE (2 years to roll out is kind of excessive), but they need to do more than TV sets to improve their service levels back to what they once were...



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User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9444 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
Dear God, nobody is ever satisfied.

I'm really satisfied with this IFE introduction, I'm just used to the Finnish (AY) style in-flight service, which unfortunately doesn't have nearly as good IFE as Delta will have, but food is served.

To me the meal is an important part of the flight, and no, I don't think the food sucks.  Smile

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
Ooooh, see my first reply!!!

Frankly, I'm positively surprised that any U.S. carrier serves meals!

But one must remember, CO was in the same position (exiting bankruptcy) already a few years ago where DL is now, so naturally they're a bit behind.  Wink

But still, DL is my first choice to fly in the U.S., my family has a good amount of SkyMiles.  Wink So I welcome these product enhancements! Big grin



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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 3):
It is so nice to see an American carrier actually competing with product. Way to go Delta! I wouldn't be surprised to see Continental or United announce something like this soon...

Hotels have been doing this for years. How many times have you heard "we've got better mattresses and shower heads". Never thought I'd see the day someones marketing would include who had better showerheads.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
Just pray that US doesn't get its hands on DL...otherwise you can kiss goodbye to these enhancements - Parker views this as a transportation business with no bells and whistles - just the lowest fares for the lowest common denominator....

He's offering the the unsecured creditors a great payback in a short amount of time. The DAL plan is losing supporters, Lehman and Duetsch Bank. Parker is wheeling and dealing with AmEx and GECAS.


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9326 times:

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 17):
He's offering the the unsecured creditors a great payback in a short amount of time.

Or they could wait until next spring and get an even greater payback, since the emerging Delta will be worth more than the $8 billion offered by US.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 17):
The DAL plan is losing supporters, Lehman and Duetsch Bank.

You a betting man? They are about the only ones showing any interest in Parker's plan, but can't say anything yet, being that Delta's reorganization plan isn't even filed yet. Not wise for them to make calls from a clouded crystal ball.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 17):
Parker is wheeling and dealing with AmEx and GECAS.

Proof? I'm not sure what he's got with GECAS, but AMEX has privately made it pretty clear that unless Delta's reorganization plan is severely flawed from their standpoint, they are sticking with Delta. They would stand to lose A LOT if they didn't.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9273 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 18):
AMEX has privately made it pretty clear that unless Delta's reorganization plan is severely flawed from their standpoint, they are sticking with Delta

AMEX is VERY desparate to clear there books. They're an aggressie company. They have reduced member perks on a number of marketing agreements. This BK bit them harder than expected. They're losing marketshare given MasterCard coming at them strong.


User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9249 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
Uh, I think you mean it's nice to see DELTA actually competing with product... considering Continental (for example, as my favorite airline) is flying 767-224s internationally with Boeing Signature interiors (no one else is), has PTV's in coach on their 764s (Delta didn't) is working on AVOD in coach on 757s soon (is Delta's PTV system going to be AVOD? I haven't heard) and still serves meals at mealtimes.

Oh, and have I mentioned that Continental even offers pillows and blankets for FREE? AA doesn't on MD-80s, and NW doesn't know what a pillow even looks like.

Oh, and Conti has laptop power at many seats, and audio entertainment at all seats on most aircraft. NW does have ANY of those things. And AA's biggest fleet (S80) doesn't have audio, either.

So, in short, there HAS been a US carrier out there competing by product, and that is Continental Airlines.

Continental Airlines. Other airlines fly all over the world. They just don't land in as many places.

Yeah...I know. I didn't say Continental doesn't compete with product. No need to go on and on about Continental. They are a great airline and definitely one of my favorites. However, Delta's PTVs will all be AVOD by the end of 2008 and I am sure when they order 787s to replace the 767-300ERs they will have AVOD too.

I hope Continental puts in 9'' screens too! That would be awseome...and I know their 787s are going to rock. It is great to have multiple airlines with a good product!


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5828 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9120 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 20):
I hope Continental puts in 9'' screens too!

We can dream, can't we?

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 20):
It is great to have multiple airlines with a good product!

Agreed. Gosh, I got bumped to first on an ANC-SEA-IAH run this summer, and it was like, "Oh, wow... THIS is how flying should be." I wish all the airlines would offer food like the used to, and continue updating IFE and other amenities, rather than walking backward. The whole "$5 for pillow and blanket" is a slap in the face of air travel as it's been for 80+ years. Coach shouldn't offer first class service, sure, but I wish it was as nice as it once was.

I understand there's a large number of passengers that would forego their seat belts if it saved them $2.50, but for many of us... gosh, bring back nice air travel! Leave the rest to Southwest, who DOES fill a high-demand market. I didn't word that very well, but I think you can pick up what I'm throwing down.


User currently offlineKjet12 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 975 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9097 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
and NW doesn't know what a pillow even looks like.

On all of my recent NW flights, there have been pillows and blankets available, even between MDW and MSP. Most of the time you have to look in the overhead bin or just ask the flight attendant.



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User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9081 times:

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 19):
They're losing marketshare given MasterCard coming at them strong.

Huh? They have had extremely strong new cardmember numbers for a while now. Amex is firing on all four cylinders.



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9034 times:

Way to go, DELTA!

As long as you refit those intl 767-300s quickly, I'll be happy!


25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : CO have their own catering services..which helps quite a bit..
26 Evan767 : Can someone give me the exact months as to when the 738's and 763's will be refitted?
27 Post contains images A330323X : Yeah, that US Airways and its crappy transatlantic coach product. Oh wait, my bad, it's actually the best transatlantic coach product of any airline,
28 Boston92 : Does anyone know when the ex song routes now being utilized with a 738 will have the PTV's. Specifically the LAX-BDL/BOS route. Thanks.
29 Edds : I just flew ATL-STR on Delta. I was very surprised. Delta already improved their service. Now they offered ice cream (between lunch and snack), free w
30 Panamair : However, that "best transatlantic coach product", which is only availabe on the A330s, is a legacy of the Old Original US Airways, not the America We
31 BN727 : You all act as though this is a new and great idea thought up by Delta. Jetblue has been doing this for almost 7 years now. Frontier Airlines for almo
32 Floridaflyboy : Ummh, this is because CO's 762 aircraft are new. The other airlines would have to retrofit 762's with the signature interior, while CO's birds were d
33 MCOflyer : Good to hear this. I'll start to fly DL more often when this happens. MCOflyer
34 UN_B732 : Are the interational 763s finally getting personal IFE?
35 EWRCabincrew : But thankfully they aren't and don't be so sure about that sporting. We have changed our interiors on other aircraft to get better overhead bins and
36 AA737-823 : God forbid. And you entirely ignore that Delta's 767-432s and Continental's 767-424s were delivered simultaneously. Yet Delta's 764s had no PTVs, and
37 AA767400 : Are we in 1986? With $89 fares there is no money for improvement. And let's face it, we need some serious consolidation in this industry because ther
38 EWRCabincrew : Possibly, no one will ever know. - add specualtions here -
39 Captaink : My biggest problem is that fares aren't exactly cheaper. In my youth, (I am not old, that is just to tell you how drastic and quick the change for the
40 A330323X : Right...but they haven't exactly ripped out the PTVs, have they? Yet you say they would with the ones on the DL birds. Curious.
41 EWRCabincrew : With DL's new seats, I hope CO takes note and does soemthing to keep up with the rest of the pack. Can't wait to see what DL has to unveil.
42 Floridaflyboy : That is because CO intended to use their 764 aircraft on international routes from the get-go, while DL originally intended theirs only for domestic.
43 Post contains images Werkur767 : Bondholders of Delta Air may influence USAir's takeover Bid An informal committee could play an important role as US Airways seeks to persuade Delta's
44 Tonytifao : Go Delta. I'm impressed by Delta. They are expanding, improving, enhancing. Way to go!
45 JGPH1A : Finally ! A reasonably Y product for DL long-haul, it's about time. Will they be upgrading the current "Battleship Potemkin"-look interiors on the 763
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