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A Big Airbus Order To Come By The End Of The Year?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15587 times:

Last year, Boeing was far aheadof airbus in the numbers of aircraft ordered by the airlines despite the Paris airshow!

However at the end of december large numbers of airbus orderes were announced which made airbusgo ahead the number of Boeing orders. So far, Boeing is almost 150 orders ahead. What are the chances Airbus announces a new mega order by the end of the year?

Regards

BM

[Edited 2006-12-07 19:07:39]


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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15586 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
were announced which made airbus come really close to the number of Boeing orders.

they exceeded the boeing orders


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29691 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15554 times:
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Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
What are the chances Airbus announces a new mega order by the end of the year?

I'm sure they're working hard to do just that, but a number of Airbus principles have publically stated that Boeing will secure the "orders by value" title this year again and will probably also secure the "orders by number" title this year.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12042 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15418 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
I'm sure they're working hard to do just that, but a number of Airbus principles have publically stated that Boeing will secure the "orders by value" title this year again and will probably also secure the "orders by number" title this year.

Indeed, even John Leahy himself has said as much at least twice this year. In theory Airbus could give Boeing a very good run on numbers if they were able to firm up most, if not all, their outstanding commitments. But I don't think they will manage it.

I think Boeing has this year sown up on numbers and is out of sight on value. Airbus will be hoping they can compete better next year with the A350.



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User currently offlineKatekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 702 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15369 times:

EK order of B787 or A350 will be decisive for the year-end race. If Airbus gets the EK order plus some more orders for the A32x, they may still beat Boeing in terms of total orders (but not value). On the other hand, of the EK order goes to Boeing, there is almost no chance that Airbus will win the race.

User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15321 times:

That is assuming EK orders in the comming weeks and doesnt wait to order next year.

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15279 times:

What is the state of all those A350 orders they counted last year?

User currently offlineKatekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 702 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15261 times:

Actually, there are rumors about two large orders - 50+ for EK, and and 30 for Iberia.

User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3186 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15204 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 7):
What is the state of all those A350 orders they counted last year?

They haven't stopped counting them yet!!! They are all still showing the books (incredible I know!)



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15151 times:

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 8):
Actually, there are rumors about two large orders - 50+ for EK, and and 30 for Iberia.

I'd like to see the face of Jacobin777 when they all go to the A350.  tongue 


User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15104 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 4):
Or will they have a magic 13 month year again and run this years order totals through January?

The Chinese order "from January" was actually placed the 5th December 2006, during the Chinese Premier visit to France.
CASGC signs agreement for largest ever Chinese order with purchase of 150 A320 Family aircraft


User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14980 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):

However at the end of december large numbers of airbus orderes were announced which made airbusgo ahead the number of Boeing orders. So far, Boeing is almost 150 orders ahead. What are the chances Airbus announces a new mega order by the end of the year?

Depends on if Europe will bribe China with dropping the Tienemen Arms embargo, or stop criticizing China's human rights issues. If they do, Airbus will be in the orders. (To be fair, the same would happen if the US did the same, but the chance of that happening is about the chance of Lockheed announcing the L-2022 tomorrow).


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12042 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14863 times:
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Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 8):
They are all still showing the books (incredible I know!)

If those airlines haven't cancelled their orders, why would Airbus take them off the order book?



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14790 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
I'd like to see the face of Jacobin777 when they all go to the A350

Funny you say that, because I would have loved to be a fly on your wall as the LH announcement was made yesterday!  Big grin

I'm kidding with you. Even though I almost always disagree with you, you're a great contributor to a.net!



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User currently offlineHB88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 814 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14769 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 12):
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 8):
"They are all still showing the books (incredible I know!)"

If those airlines haven't cancelled their orders, why would Airbus take them off the order book?

Tongue-in-cheek, I wonder if the only people who read/care about the public order data are a.net readers! There have been a *lot* of a.net column-inches devoted to arguments over what constitutes an order etc etc etc... even some getting quite heated. Incredible I know.

Anyway, even though I'm an Airbus hamster, I've never bothered to look at it (or the Boeing one either). I'm not sure if I should be embarrassed or what.

Anyway, re the A350lite/mkII/son-of-A330 orders or whatever you want to call them, my understanding is that the bulk of them stand for the new 350 (although I could be wrong). I have no idea of the deals between Airbus and the carriers, but I imagine that they'll be being renegotiated on an individual basis. To be realistic, if I had ordered the 350 last year and had a 'flexible' business plan moving forward, I sure as shi*t wouldn't be canceling them.

just my 2p worth.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14720 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 6):
What is the state of all those A350 orders they counted last year?

The firm A350 orders from last yr will remain last years orders, and any signed as firm this year will count as this years orders.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14694 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 13):
Funny you say that, because I would have loved to be a fly on your wall as the LH announcement was made yesterday! Big grin

I was celebrating the 1.000th order for the A330/A340 family.


User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14636 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 16):


I was celebrating the 1.000th order for the A330/A340 family.

Will you be doing that when the 1000th order for the near-dead 777 is announced too? It's almost here... Hey, what's the last order count on the T7s anyone?

 highfive 



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14551 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 17):
Hey, what's the last order count on the T7s anyone?

890 firm, plus KL (15) and Philippine (2) orders to be firmed...others too, I'm guessing,



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14507 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 17):
Will you be doing that when the 1000th order for the near-dead 777 is announced too? It's almost here... Hey, what's the last order count on the T7s anyone?

As an aviation enthusiast, I will think that it is great. However, since some people will definitively abuse the opportunity to bash the A340 for having less orders (somewhat ignoring the A330) - I'll have to spit in the soup on a.net.


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14480 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
I'd like to see the face of Jacobin777 when they all go to the A350.

..and half the people on this forum would love to see your face when they go 787. He hee


User currently offlineHB88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 814 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14449 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 19):
As an aviation enthusiast, I will think that it is great. However, since some people will definitively abuse the opportunity to bash the A340 for having less orders (somewhat ignoring the A330) - I'll have to spit in the soup on a.net.

Don't sweat it. In my mind, those who constantly delight in the perceived or otherwise failures of one manufacturer over another are simply not real aviation enthusiasts. End of story.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14429 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 20):
..and half the people on this forum would love to see your face when they go 787. He hee

I can post a picture. However, 787 orders won't happen too often in the future.

Quoting HB88 (Reply 21):

Don't sweat it. In my mind, those who constantly delight in the perceived or otherwise failures of one manufacturer over another are simply not real aviation enthusiasts. End of story.

I agree. And there are many of those in this forum.


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14385 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
I can post a picture. However, 787 orders won't happen too often in the future.

C'mon Thorben. I know you've said some ridiculous things in the past but this 'almost' beats your previous statement about 'dying 777'.

Quoting HB88 (Reply 21):
Don't sweat it. In my mind, those who constantly delight in the perceived or otherwise failures of one manufacturer over another are simply not real aviation enthusiasts. End of story.

 checkmark 

Couldn't have said it better myself.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14336 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
I'd like to see the face of Jacobin777 when they all go to the A350.  tongue 

Hey..hey..hey there now....just because I love the 777 and 747, doesn't mean I dont' like Airbus planes(read my profile)...and if Airbus does win the "big" order, I would say "congratulations"..and would still fly on EK's planes.....liking one plane doesn't mean I hate the other.. no 

In fact, I find the A330-200 to be a great airplane...!



But I'm glad you were thinking of me... Smile

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 13):
Funny you say that, because I would have loved to be a fly on your wall as the LH announcement was made yesterday!  biggrin 

Man..I was thinking the same thing... thumbsup 

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 13):

I'm kidding with you. Even though I almost always disagree with you, you're a great contributor to a.net!

Are you sure you go that far?  silly ..

.I'm only giving you a hard time Thorben... Smile

Quoting Thorben (Reply 19):
Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 17):
Will you be doing that when the 1000th order for the near-dead 777 is announced too? It's almost here... Hey, what's the last order count on the T7s anyone?

As an aviation enthusiast, I will think that it is great. However, since some people will definitively abuse the opportunity to bash the A340 for having less orders (somewhat ignoring the A330) - I'll have to spit in the soup on a.net.

Right..suuuuuuurrrre Thorben..anytime there is some good 777 news, the next comment of yours is "The A350XWB is coming".... Wink

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 20):
Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
I'd like to see the face of Jacobin777 when they all go to the A350.

..and half the people on this forum would love to see your face when they go 787. He hee

 checkmark ..you can take that to the bank.. bigthumbsup 

Quoting HB88 (Reply 21):
Quoting Thorben (Reply 19):
As an aviation enthusiast, I will think that it is great. However, since some people will definitively abuse the opportunity to bash the A340 for having less orders (somewhat ignoring the A330) - I'll have to spit in the soup on a.net.

Don't sweat it. In my mind, those who constantly delight in the perceived or otherwise failures of one manufacturer over another are simply not real aviation enthusiasts. End of story.

I hope you weren't referring to me..... no 


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25 BoomBoom : Notice you have to add two models together to get to 1000. How pathetic.
26 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Hey, make sure you take a video of the MASSIVE ones too when you fly EK's 773 later this month.
27 TinkerBelle : It's still a big accomplishment. A330/340 are the same family so your comment wasn't necessary.
28 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..You are darn right my man! With THREE MASSIVE one's coming in 24 hours...its going to be ....then we can make some comparisons between those puny h
29 HB88 : Nope! Ah, the usual mean-spirited and obnoxious nonsense! Are you sure you can't squeeze any worse spin on some good news from Airbus? The 330 and 34
30 Futurecaptain : Well, for every A330 built it is one A340 that Can't be built because they are on the same line. So maybe we can cut them some slack. Maybe, just thi
31 Osiris30 : Because the plane they ordered isn't offered for sale anymore. Those orders *should* (and likely will) be backed out and replaced with new orders. Si
32 ZRHnerd : As a matter of fact, all that is pathetic is your comment.. However it's nice to notice that not all of our fellow US a.netters are as short minded a
33 EBJ1248650 : Not true, but then they're not representative aviation enthusiasts either.
34 Cobra27 : Numbers, numbers, numbers, ......... what a about a size and value of the aircraft ordered? There are more than 70 747 and 50 777 and 150 787. On the
35 Warren747sp : We will have to see how many cheap A320s they can give away. Or find some 3rd world country airline or China to save face.
36 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Ok..just making sure...
37 Post contains images AutoThrust : Well said, you are 100% right. Now to Airbus orders: I dont expect this year bigger orders for Airbus. Airlines need time to gain trust in Airbus. Al
38 Flysherwood : HOPE springs eternal eh, Thorben? Not a chance in heck of that ever happening. The A350 doesn't hold a candle to the 787!!!
39 Post contains images Keesje : Remember early 2006, the US press, a.net had declared a succesfull comeback, claimed victory, started & completed a party and then it came out Airbus
40 Kaneporta1 : Even though I like the optimism of some Airbus fans, unfortunately, it's not gonna happen this year. Last year, the orders race was neck to neck, this
41 Rbgso : I have no doubt some obscure carrier we've never heard of will order 200 A320s on December 52, 2006, thus vaulting Airbus to victory in the numbers ga
42 BoomBoom : Yah, I remember. That was when Airbus extended the year into January so they'd have time to cook the books.
43 Post contains images Osiris30 : I fail to see how you can say that. Just because I'm an automobile enthusiast doesn't mean I can't think a particular car or car company is crap. The
44 EI321 : Its a matter of personal opinion, theres no point even agruing over how the number1 manufacturer should be decided because everybody will have a diff
45 Osiris30 : No, but usually it's not all that hard to see who has the value lead.. And yes there are a lot of metrics.. but the problem (at least for me) in the
46 OldAeroGuy : This argument is a bit harder to make when the A345/6 are included since thay have little in common with the rest of the A330/A340 family except for
47 BoomBoom : This sounds like very poor planning on the part of management. No wonder Airbus is such a mess.
48 Post contains images EI321 : Ah I thought this claim would start to pop up again around this time of the year. I dont see you suggesting that the 2006 airbus numbers be increased
49 Thebry : That was a little below the belt.
50 Birdbrainz : It's very sad when that's the highlight of your day. Geez, you'd swear that you're Randy Bassler or Scott Carlson or something. I really don't think
51 BoomBoom : You can thank Keesje for bringing it up. Are you suggesting that?
52 EI321 : Be careful, so many guys loose credability when they post baseless junk like this.
53 Post contains images EI321 : Absolutly not, cause they were last years orders. Im pointing to the fact that for the sheer amount of allegations claiming that those Chinese A320s
54 AvObserver : In unit numbers, yes, in order value, no. Neither A nor B can stay on top all of the time. The last few years, A ruled the roost. The last 2, it's be
55 EI321 : Perhaps they underestimated the sales potential of the model, or just could not financially justify two lines at the time. Remember that they were or
56 Post contains images AutoThrust : Understatement of the year! Lol that are your points when you go to fly ? Have a nice flight with your financial achievement i prefer as passanger, c
57 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : wow.. you left even Solnabo in the dust with that one!
58 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I hope I'm the cause of recent nightmares for Thorben..especially with the big LH order......
59 BoomBoom : Please explain why this is so? Thats like saying if someone orders a 748F, that's one less 748I Boeing is able to build. Nonsense! They just put the
60 Manni : I'm flaggerblasted by some of the comments in this post. Hopefully the thread gets cleaned up soon. Back on topic. I believe Boeing is more than 250 o
61 Reggaebird : The A330/A340 has hit 1000 units ordered after being in commercial use since 1993. The Boeing 777 has garnered over 900 orders after being in commerc
62 Post contains images Solnabo : No wonder carriers order Boeing right now. It´s becouse of sweet deals and the weak $$ so they better hurry up and firm the orders.. My Micke//
63 MotorHussy : Mate, the world is not divided into convenient Airbus and Boeing camps. And there is a large world outside of Europe and America. I'm happy that both
64 Post contains images Solnabo : Oooh and one more thing: Airbus always get their huge orders at the Air Shows (Le Bourg...? 2007) Odd that they (Airbus) get a big one before years en
65 Post contains images Glideslope : LOL. Operators are also getting tired of, IMO, "0 Value" in Airbus products. The majority of Airbus frames are leased. It's a lot more than the $ (wh
66 PanAm_DC10 : Thread title: A Big Airbus Order To Come By The End Of The Year? To answer your question Rootsair There could be every chance but we won't know until
67 Post contains images Osiris30 : Well I get much more comfort from sitting upfront, which I can afford when my investments do well, than sitting in coach... regardless of the frame F
68 Post contains images Solnabo : Hope ya all Booing will be cheering when you´re the top dog on del./opt. 2006 ´cuz Boeing is still the second civil aviaton manufactur in the world
69 Birdbrainz : Laugh my A** off! You've had some of the funniest comments on here. I remember reading in Aviation Week about a year ago that LH was pushing Boeing a
70 Jfk777 : I would bet on another 747-8 order before any big Emirates order for 787 or A350's. Boeing has a rejuvinated Jumbo for those need ing less capacity th
71 Zvezda : Is there still a chance of Airbus winning the numbers game this year? It certainly seems unlikely, but it can't be ruled out completely. I'd give it 5
72 Toulouse : I'll let BoomBoom so eloquently respond on my behalf to that ridiculouse comment by Warren747sp. Hey, we have an aviation expert come fortune teller.
73 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Thank you Toulouse and you're welcome. I just like discussing civil aviation, it should be the common language here Regards, PanAm_DC10
74 Osiris30 : @solnabo: The fact that you are allowed to repeatedly post nothing other than flame bait speaks to the fact that a.net is turning into a smoldering hu
75 Post contains images Zvezda : Airbus' very late announcement of the order numbers may have been cause for suspicion, but I'm not aware of any evidence that January orders were boo
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