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Ontario Airport Changes Name To LA/Ontario Int'l  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3144 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Courtesy: The Press Enterprise

Ontario Airport Changes Name to LA/Ontario Int'l

http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic.../article.jsp?siteSection=4&id=9177

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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

Well, here at Manchester/Boston regional Airport in Manchester, New Hampshire, we can't really say that the name-change has--thus far--done us any good. Attaching 'Boston' to our name was supposed to do something...I'm just not exactly sure what.

The bad news is that 2005-->2006 will be down. The good news is that 2006-->2007 will be up.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6394 times:

I wonder if the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim will be using Los Angeles/Ontario International for their flight needs...


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6373 times:

The strange thing about ONT (and MHT) is that they technically aren't even in the Los Angeles and Boston metro areas (respectively). ONT is in the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA (the nation's 13th largest metro area, larger than Phoenix, having branched off from its former status as part of the LA metro after the 2000 census). MHT is in the Manchester-Nashua, NH MSA, the nation's 119th largest, just slightly above Provo, UT.

So in my opinion, they'd be more accurate calling it Ontario-Riverside International, or perhaps Ontario/Inland Empire International would also work.

edit: word choice

[Edited 2006-12-07 22:40:23]

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
I wonder if the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

Beat me to it.....my first thought was that they should have changed the name to Los Angeles International Airport of Ontario.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6352 times:

Ontario, California is in San Bernardino County, which is adjacent to Los Angeles County. (The City of Los Angeles is situated entirely in Los Angeles County. There exists no duly constituted, geographically existent, physically defined political entity located in California known as "Los Angeles", pure and simple, other than either the City or the County of Los Angeles.) I have no idea why it was felt necessary to change the name of Ontario International, although I do recognize that the "Los Angeles World Airports" designation has long included Ontario International, probably on some technical or accounting basis.

It's all rather confusing.

[Edited 2006-12-07 22:43:55]

User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

It's supposed to lure airlines and people into using ONT thinking it was LAX.  Smile


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6337 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 6):
It's supposed to lure airlines and people into using ONT thinking it was LAX.  

Could be.   I like Ontario International. To me, it's more efficient than LAX because it's smaller, and yet still international. Kind of like Reagan versus Dulles (except that Reagan is a national airport).

[Edited 2006-12-07 22:46:32]

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

As the article mentions the airport has been marketing itself as LA/Ontario Intl Airport anyways for a few years now. The change is more a formal renaming.

With LAWA being the operator, they are indeed starting to make noticeable changes via marketing tactics (including radio commercials which I keep hearing) along with new airport user fee's designed to encourage growth of traffic at the airport versus the regions continued dependence on LAX.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6158 times:

Well this is becoming a little ridiculous.

1) Can you picture the unsuspecting tourist thinking they just bought a plane ticket to LA and book a hotel in Santa Monica to find out the Airport can be upto 2 hours away (with traffic of course).

2) North Americans might know the difference, but if the objective to attract more international service, imagine the poor foreigners when they find out they are not in the city of LA after all.

3) Looks like LAWA is taking a page from Ryanair. At least they put the major city miles away last after the AP city. Girona (Barcelona) Hahn (Frankfurt) Bergamo (Milano). Ontario/LA International Airport at least!
LAWA didn't even do that!

4) This is typical of huge US metro areas. Hopefully my local airport won't follow suit. FLL currently is legally known as Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport At Dania Beach. The airport is about 20 miles north of Miami in a totally different county (same scenario as ONT). Could you imagine the new name following LAWA's lead - Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport at Dania Beach in the Miami Metropolitain Statistical Area. Boy, that would really get BA, LH, etc running to FLL or should I say FLHADBIMMSA! Nice job LAWA.


User currently offlineONTFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
I wonder if the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim will be using Los Angeles/Ontario International for their flight needs...

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Kinda use to it here in So Cal anyways. LA Angels of Anacrime, Bob Hope/Burbank/Glendale/Pasadena Airport, and now this. They can call it whatever they want but in my heart, it'll always just be good ol' Ontario Airport.

ONTFlyer



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User currently offlineFjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6114 times:

Few people who haven't been to California even realize there is an Ontario, CA...i recently moved, switching my home airport from BDL to ONT... funny thing is, BDL is not much bigger in traffic than ONT, and my co-workers in CT asked me why i was going to Canada for Thanksgiving when they heard i'd fly from Ontario.


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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13536 posts, RR: 100
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6014 times:
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If there was rapid transit into LA from Ontario... I wouldn't have a problem with this. (e.g., build an red line with a local and an express track out to ONT.) But until you can get from ONT to downtown/Santa Monica/Westwood in less than 60 minutes from the airport in rush hour, it shouldn't be called Los Angeles. Wait a second... You can't do LAX-downtown in 60 minutes in rush hour!  wideeyed 

Grrr... seperate topic, this city is chocking on its lack of transportation. Sigh... There just isn't any way for me to get to ONT in resonable time to catch a flight during the business day. I wish it was otherwise... but it isn't.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

Maybe Ryanair (FR) had something to do with the renaming of it. Cheaper fares to be had and the lot.  stirthepot 


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6007 times:

Makes absolute sense.

Ont, Ca.
Now is that Ontario, Canada
or
Ontario, California

Is it the Province and Country or is ir the Airport and State, the confusion really needed to be quelled.

Bill



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

Quoting BillReid (Reply 14):
Is it the Province and Country or is ir the Airport and State, the confusion really needed to be quelled.

Ontario, the city, in California, the state.

To fly to Ontario, the province, would be hard. Too many choices for an arrival destination. That is like saying I am flying to Nebraska, United States. You would say the city to which you were flying, not the state/province name.

[Edited 2006-12-08 20:18:58]


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

I am expecting an announcement any day now for a name change to LA/Bakersfield Int'l


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

I was telling people that I was flying to Ontario this weekend (tomorrow now, to be exact) and was telling them it was going to be a long ride out there from BOS. They thought I was nuts, until I told them Ontario, California, which was right outside of Los Angeles. Most people, at least up here, assume Ontario to be Canada, not a city in Southern California, so hopefully that will open up marketing a little bit.

User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

The name change is obviously partially for marketing. Many people do not know that Ontario is in Southern California and is owned by Los Angeles. Now if you land at ONT and expect to take a cab to Los Angeles, that is another issue since it is 40 miles away.

The other part of it is to placate the NIMBYs around LAX, the people who failed to notice that an airport was built there in 1925. It helps show that LAWA is pushing a "regional" plan as required under an agreement to build the new taxiways and reposition a runway.

I do not know if anybody really thinks this will work, but they are already taking steps to raise fees on LCCs at LAX to force them out to ONT, particularly WN. There was also an ad campaign for "LA/Ontario Airport." Of course the problem is that the business center of LA is much closer to LAX and the destinations out of ONT are limited and fares are often not any better than LAX.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 3):
The strange thing about ONT (and MHT) is that they technically aren't even in the Los Angeles and Boston metro areas (respectively). ONT is in the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA (the nation's 13th largest metro area, larger than Phoenix, having branched off from its former status as part of the LA metro after the 2000 census). MHT is in the Manchester-Nashua, NH MSA, the nation's 119th largest, just slightly above Provo, UT.

Well, to be fair, while the airport up here isn't technically in the Boston metro market, it certainly does draw from it. So that's the rationale I'm sure. And I think the Boston metro market does include Salem, NH, which is only a few exits down Route 93 from MHT. I guess, like in horseshoes, it's close enough to count.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

I have advocated this several times on the forum but no one has yet taken me in earnest. Ontario needs true international flights to be taken seriously but it does not really have the passenger loads to warrant it.

Enter San Diego. San Diego has the passengers but not a lot of room to work with given runway length and obstacles. It may not be the greatest when it comes to cargo but Ontario is strong in this area. Ontario would be a great compliment to San Diego and should become sister airports working together.

Ontario has longer runways (12,200 ft) that would allow a fully loaded 767 type aircraft to operate non-stop to Europe. The 767 because it would not create the need for crossing the runway twice at Lindbergh Field (SAN) as the 777 and 747 does. (Once the old Ryan building come down, this can be solved but, for now, a 767 seems like the right aircraft).

Some kind of incentive such as splitting landing fee's between the two airports should be implemented to international operations to offset the cost as much as possible. Flights can obviously arrive at SAN from Europe or Asia non-stop without problem so flights can stop there first where everyone can go through customs. If 50 people remain on board for the flight to ONT, then all the better. It is mainly considered a cargo/fuel stop.

However, by thew time the 787 comes along to better utilize SAN, ONT could be that time be on it's own. The object is to, in the mean time, help each other out plus get people from always having to use LAX in this huge metropolis. And of course...get SAN some dang international flights!!!!



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 9):
1) Can you picture the unsuspecting tourist thinking they just bought a plane ticket to LA and book a hotel in Santa Monica to find out the Airport can be upto 2 hours away (with traffic of course).

Heck, you can fly into LAX and find parts of the city (within the city limits, much less the county limits!) that are 2 hours away in traffic!

That's why the area needs to push expansion at regional airports instead of trying to build out LAX.

Steve


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3156 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 3):
The strange thing about ONT (and MHT) is that they technically aren't even in the Los Angeles and Boston metro areas (respectively). ONT is in the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA (the nation's 13th largest metro area, larger than Phoenix, having branched off from its former status as part of the LA metro after the 2000 census). MHT is in the Manchester-Nashua, NH MSA, the nation's 119th largest, just slightly above Provo, UT.



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 5):
physically defined political entity located in California known as "Los Angeles",

No, Los Angeles is also a Combined Statistical Area (I think formerly known as CSMAs), a much larger metro area that does include the R-SB-O MSA, as well as Ventura and Orange counties. Locals may prefer a separation, but fact is, most of the region orbits LA anyhow. And I was a former regional resident, so can say that.

So, as defined by the US Census Bureau, "Los Angeles" is by all means a political entity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles_Area

We have Chicago-Ohare, Chicago-Midway, New York-LaGuardia, New York-JFK, New York-Newark (not officially known as that, but how many of you are really flying to Newark?), London-Heathrow, London-Gatwick, London-Stanstead... You get the idea. Los Angeles would not be unusual.

-Rampart

[Edited 2006-12-08 21:25:46]

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

As an FYI from mapquest:

Downtown Los Angeles to:
BUR -- 16 miles
LAX -- 18 miles
LGB -- 26 miles
SNA -- 40 miles
ONT -- 41 miles

"LA" is so spread out that it is not a stretch to be able to say "LA-Ontario" in a marketing campaign. People who visit "LA" visit Disneyland, Malibu, Santa Monica, Newport, Palm Springs, etc etc. People who live in the "LA area" can live anywhere from Ventura to South Orange County.

Hell, Disneyland is as far from LAX as it is from ONT.

At the end of the day, LAWA is trying to get the word out about ONT (and it is a great facility).


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Now with the name change, let see if LAWA finally gets ONT's F.I.S. extended hours so to accommodate flights in the evening and early night hours.


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25 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Wow, I did not know that. Leave it up to the statisticians! Thanks for that information!
26 Rampart : No prob! See my profile: I'm more geographer than statistician, though that overlaps a bit. I feel like attorney Fred Gailey invoking "the Post Offic
27 Post contains images Laxintl : Agree totally. Using the Los Angeles name is not a misnomer as the airport is quite clearly in the Greater Los Angeles Metro Area. One can quite easi
28 DEVILFISH : The FlyAway bus routinely makes it in 45 min, 30 min off peak - compliments of the car pool lanes. Always felt sorry for the guy cursing in the bumpe
29 Pbottenb : Very cool - I am a geographer as well. Are you a teacher or do you do GIS work? PB
30 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : This is all just a ploy to try to get people and airlines themselves to use ONT as opposed to LAX. The truth of the matter is: ONT is great for the In
31 Post contains images Lt-AWACS : Hey I got my first degree in Geography, it is cool to see some other geography folks!! Ok, I have nothing to add to this thread but wanted to give a s
32 AirlineBrat : Cool, some fellow geographers in the house. My first degree was in geography as well. After some more schooling and a major exam I am now a landscape
33 N1120A : Cutting the Inland Empire and Ventura County out of the Los Angeles census totals seems like a bit of a ploy to keep New York from being passed as th
34 Stirling : This whole thread is much ado about nothing. Ain't that the truth! When I lived in California I would have friends going to soCal, Ontario, Temecula,
35 N1120A : Temecula is not L.A. It is much more San Diego
36 AlexPorter : How about the O&D passengers who are the people who actually benefit from it? i.e. People in Riverside & San Bernardino counties (excluding the vast
37 AADC10 : Maybe it should the called the Los Angeles/San Diego/Ontario Airport, in similar fashion to the Burbank/Glendale/Pasadena/Bob Hope Airport. Whatever
38 Rampart : Nice to meet you all! Who knew? Not surprising that aviation and airlines tends to attract geographers, however, what with the travel, the weather, t
39 Post contains images Sflaflight : As someone who lives in a very spead out CSMA (Miami), I have had my fair share of defending and defining where areas start and stop. I would have no
40 Boston92 : Lots of talk about ONT and MHT. Am I the only one who thinks the landside terminal of both these airports look very very alike?
41 AerospaceFan : I wonder how this discussion relates to the fact that John Wayne Airport (SNA) in Orange County would hardly ever be referred to as "Los Angeles Orang
42 BostonGuy : Plenty of people in and around Boston fly out of MHT, however. And there's free bus service now from the Boston subway system to MHT, making it quite
43 Laxintl : While I am sure SNA would never get renamed "Los Angeles-Orange County" simply due politics, the airport without question does sit in the "greater" Lo
44 Post contains links Travelin man : Please don't take offense, but I don't think you understand how airports work in Southern California. Please see: http://www.lawa.org for more detail
45 77411 : In fact they do use ONT. DL worked them on several occasions at least last season. Temecula is only a 50 minute or less drive without traffic from ON
46 DrExotica : I am not a geographer, but do write the software that a lot of geographers use. As you might then infer, I utilize Ontario quite a bit. Temecula is a
47 D950 : I am in the Inland Empire twice a month on business, I tried for almost a year to like ONT, but between the much higher rental car fees, and getting c
48 Post contains images FATFlyer : So Sflaflight is saying that if an airport is located outside a county it should not use the name of the larger city? SFO is in trouble also, it shou
49 Boston92 : Not by me, LAX is probably on the top of my list too.
50 WN230 : Since LAWA owns the airport, wouldn't the name change be alright by them? WN230
51 Sflaflight : You busted me! Fair enough, but at the time, there is no intrnational airport within the county, so by default, it would have to be outside of the co
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