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Why No AS MD80's At SNA  
User currently offlineMDCJets From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 175 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

I have often wondered why Alaska does not fly MD80's into SNA. I do not ever recall seeing one and the most recent picture I can find of one there is from 1996. Does anyone know the reason for this?

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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6710 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3846 times:

Almost certainly due to the fact that SNA is in a very noise-sensitive area. And I would guess that if you want to get more slots at SNA as they become available, it's a good idea to make nice with the airport by not annoying the neighbors.

User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

American flies their MD-80s into there, so I'm not sure if it's the noise.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6091 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Even thought AA does fly MD's into SNA, Scott is correct. Though in the past AS has flown MD80's in when the Santa Ana winds were blowing, but it was an emergency A/C sub at the time. This was years ago though.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

Alaska use to rotate MD-80s through SNA regularly until the 737-400 arrived. As the airline had more and more of these a/c delivered, the 737-400 became the backbone to SNA flights. Once the 737-700 arrived into the AS fleet, Alaska Airlines could finally fill any spectrum into the field. They could operate an aircraft quietly, filled with pax, and nonstop to any of their destinations served. Meaning, fuel diversions and enroute stops that were necessary before with the 737-400 sometimes due to heavy loads, opposite winds, noise abatement were no longer necessary once the -700 was placed into service and on the SNA flights.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

There used to be an embargo on non-rev travelling into SNA on AS. As for the M80's, it had alot to do with the noise abatement restrictions imposed on them. That was coming from corporate HQ in 1998.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

There are also wieght restrictions on MD-80's due to the short runway.

User currently offlineSpeedbird747 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 6):
There are also wieght restrictions on MD-80's due to the short runway.

How long is the runway at SNA? Sorry for my ignorance...


User currently offlineGmcc From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3523 times:

Quoting Speedbird747 (Reply 7):
How long is the runway at SNA?

5,700 feet. It is one of the shortest commerical runways in the US.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3505 times:

They only have 24 as opposed to 86 (not counting the 732 combi and 734 combi) 737s. Maybe they allot the MD-80s to other routes where they can be better utilised.


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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2329 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 9):
Maybe they allot the MD-80s to other routes where they can be better utilised.

Anyone know what routes the AS MD-80s currently fly?



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 10):
Anyone know what routes the AS MD-80s currently fly?

I know PHX-PDX, PHX-SEA, SEA-ONT, SEA-LGB, LAX-SEA, SEA-ANC, ANC-FAI, SAN-PDX, SAN-SEA to name a few, Maybe some other AS people can add.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6091 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

AirframeAS,don't forget there was an embargo on the -400 for non-rev's and jumpseating as well. I got bumped from the jumpseat out of SNA one time on a -400. The -700 sure fits the bill good in SNA perfomance wise, but doesn't get the seat capacity AS would like.


ASLAX



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3271 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
AirframeAS,don't forget there was an embargo on the -400 for non-rev's and jumpseating as well.

Heh, I forgot about that too! Heard some of the deadheading pilots were really complaining about the rule before. Even newbie employees were SOL when they arrived to SNA finding out they cannot fly out, they would need to go to BUR, ONT or LAX. Tough times those were, huh man??



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User currently offlineHikeswitheyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Heard some of the deadheading pilots were really complaining about the rule before

If they were deadheading, then they would have positive space
seats in coach.
Maybe you meant that they were just trying to jumpseat out of
their for their own personal travel ?



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting Hikeswitheyes (Reply 14):
If they were deadheading, then they would have positive space
seats in coach.
Maybe you meant that they were just trying to jumpseat out of
their for their own personal travel ?

This was in 98-99...and how SNA dealt with it is something I dont know about. But I remember it was strictly enforced regardless if it was work or pleasure. I remember that the positive space passes at the time were approved by immediate supervisors, IIRC.



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

I've seen the MD-80s on PDX/SEA-OAK routes.


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