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A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7007 times:

http://www.armees.com/THAI-menace-d-...mmande-de-A380-a-Airbus,12077.html

No surprise here . The 3 first European routes to receive the A380 TG , will be LHR , FRA and CDG.

...........of course all will depend of the compensations TG will get from Airbus to know if their order will stay or not.

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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1841 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6411 times:

it will be great to see TG A380 birds at CDG. However, TG is at T1 and I can't imagine an A380 at T1 which is not designed for this A/C (and in fact not designed for any A/C !) Big grin  Wink  devil 

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

Thai is making a lot of noise claiming that it may cancel its A380 order, but goes on to annouce which route that they will assign to the A380? I know that I am confused! It seems that Thai wants the A380s and Airbus will certainly take that into account during its discussions with Thai. Its an odd time for Thai to make this type of announcement.

In any case, I expected London (volume) and Frankfurt (Star hub), but Paris is a bit of a surprise.....is there adequate demand on CDG-BKK to support the A380 without wrecking yeilds? I was thinking that TG would do something unusual....like use the A380s on routes from BKK to Scandanavian capital cities; as you may know there is a lot of traffic on those routes which marginal yeilds, the A380 could be a way to turn those routes into money makers.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Dutchjet

It's not a surprise , TG has in sight to come to CDG with the A380.
They have a daily 744 there , always fully booked.
The A380 will help carriyng more people.


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

Maybe they upgrade MUC to an 744

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Apart from the uncertainty over the future of this order, I don't believe that TG would ever deploy its A380 fleet simultaneously to LHR, FRA, and CDG, as such a move would require the entire 6-strong A380 fleet to be dedicated to these sectors, with only time to operate some regional sectors in between and relatively low utilization rates as a result.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
Apart from the uncertainty over the future of this order, I don't believe that TG would ever deploy its A380 fleet simultaneously to LHR, FRA, and CDG,

Well FRA and LHR sure , maybe CDG not daily .


User currently offlineStevens91 From France, joined Jul 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

All A380's operating to CDG will be at Terminal 2G (S3), actually on construction and should be ready by a year. It think it's not possible for T1 to accodomate the A380.

User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Maybe Airbus will give them some discounts for ordering A350's, or more A345/346 or A350.

It would be nice to see some more A346's.

drew



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User currently offlineCopenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 1):
I was thinking that TG would do something unusual....like use the A380s on routes from BKK to Scandanavian capital cities; as you may know there is a lot of traffic on those routes which marginal yeilds, the A380 could be a way to turn those routes into money makers.

Would be nice, but no airports in Scandinavia can handle the A380. Well maybe they could, but it would cost them a lot of money eg. runways not made for that big bird wings.


User currently offlineOhsopc From Thailand, joined Jul 2006, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
Thai is making a lot of noise claiming that it may cancel its A380 order, but goes on to annouce which route that they will assign to the A380? I know that I am confused! It seems that Thai wants the A380s and Airbus will certainly take that into account during its discussions with Thai. Its an odd time for Thai to make this type of announcement.

I know I found this to be odd too so I translate the article, and the article is actually about THAI cancelling its 380 order, it just goes on to say that THAI cannot will not be using it on FRA, LHR, and CDG 22 months early


User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5076 times:
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Quoting Ohsopc (Reply 10):
I know I found this to be odd too so I translate the article, and the article is actually about THAI cancelling its 380 order, it just goes on to say that THAI cannot will not be using it on FRA, LHR, and CDG 22 months early

That's correct. Here's an attempt at translation of the key points by altavista:

Quote:
The airline company national inhabitant of Thailand Thai Airways (THAI) could cancel her order of the new A380 planes to the European manufacturer Airbus if the negotiations d’un delay of 22 month of the first delivery remain unsolved, indicated to Wednesday the president of THAI Apinan Sumanaseni...

"THAI will re-examine its financial scheme after an estimate of the losses since the company cannot use as envisaged these new planes of Bangkok towards London, Frankfurt and Paris", M noted. Apinan.

Thai's concern is the loss of potential revenue due to the delay of receipt of the aircraft to 2011. They had planned to use the A380 to LHR, FRA, and CDG.

Nothing really new here other than additional positioning by TG.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Quoting Ohsopc (Reply 10):


[quote=AirlineAddict,reply=11]
Thai's concern is the loss of potential revenue due to the delay of receipt of the aircraft to 2011. They had planned to use the A380 to LHR, FRA, and CDG.

Nothing really new here other than additional positioning by TG.

Thank you, this all now makes much more sense.....


User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Quoting Stevens91 (Reply 7):
actually on construction

Typical english mistake for a Frenchy : you meant "currently on construction".

currently = "actuellement"
actually = "en réalité"

No big deal here, but it can get you in big troubles in business, believe me, I experienced it.  Wink

On topic : I know S3 (future terminal 2G?) will be able to accomodate 6 A380s at a time. But do you know how many A380s were 2E and 2F designed for ?


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
The 3 first European routes to receive the A380 TG , will be LHR , FRA and CDG.

I thought T1 was the official Star Alliance terminal at CDG, but obviously the archaic (but humorously retro-futuristic) design of the satellites at CDG would make it virtually impossible to load and unload an A380. So would TG move to 2G and be the only Star carrier there ?


User currently offlineStevens91 From France, joined Jul 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4601 times:

T1 isn't dedicated to Star Alliance, but the check-in areas are grouped together for Star. When the second part will be reopened in Feb 2007, we will see more Star Alliances members moving in such as Air Canada, Swiss, Austrian and may be Air India too if they become a member.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Of course Nordic airports could handle A388, CPH - ARN - OSL - HEL.

The only problemo is the taxiways, due to it´s wide wingspan it could be tricky.

Micke// Big grin



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Of course Nordic airports could handle A388, CPH - ARN - OSL - HEL.

The only problemo is the taxiways, due to it´s wide wingspan it could be tricky.

Second problem is finding the pax to fill the plane with high enough yields. No way it's gonna happen soon.

KL911


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
I was thinking that TG would do something unusual....like use the A380s on routes from BKK to Scandanavian capital cities; as you may know there is a lot of traffic on those routes which marginal yeilds, the A380 could be a way to turn those routes into money makers.



Quoting Copenhagenboy (Reply 9):

Would be nice, but no airports in Scandinavia can handle the A380. Well maybe they could, but it would cost them a lot of money eg. runways not made for that big bird wings.



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Of course Nordic airports could handle A388, CPH - ARN - OSL - HEL.

The only problemo is the taxiways, due to it´s wide wingspan it could be tricky.

Micke//



Quoting KL911 (Reply 17):

Second problem is finding the pax to fill the plane with high enough yields. No way it's gonna happen soon.

KL911

The ability to move a lot of passengers over lower-yeilding routes is one of the proposed benefits of the A380......


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

Thai A380 ARN - BKK wintertime would be a very high yield route, belive me.

Micke//  Smile



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User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
It's not a surprise , TG has in sight to come to CDG with the A380.
They have a daily 744 there , always fully booked.
The A380 will help carriyng more people.

Didn't they have a double daily some days of the week some years ago ?



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24928 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 19):
Thai A380 ARN - BKK wintertime would be a very high yield route, belive me.

Full of tourists = low yield  Wink



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User currently offlineA340600MAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Hi all

Slightly off topic.

With the A380 being delivered at some point in the future, what is the prospect of Manchester (MAN/EGCC) gaining a service from Bangkok in the future?
There has been rumours around for a while that Manchester was a possible destination for Thai. With the A380 freeing up aircraft, What are our chances??

Many thanks

Len



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting A340600MAN (Reply 22):
Hi all

Slightly off topic.

With the A380 being delivered at some point in the future, what is the prospect of Manchester (MAN/EGCC) gaining a service from Bangkok in the future?
There has been rumours around for a while that Manchester was a possible destination for Thai. With the A380 freeing up aircraft, What are our chances??

Many thanks

Len

Would dilute yields ex-LHR. Could happen if they cant get more LHR slots, but I suspect if it does happen you would likely see the 772ER - not the A340s.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

We need charter *cattle* class config. A388 soon on BKK. There´s no seats left for the X-mas & New Year season to Thailand, even the 20+ flights w/744 charters are full from ARN..

Micke//  

[Edited 2006-12-11 16:21:14]


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25 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Hehehehehe I got my trip booked already EK - 77W all the way!
26 RedChili : It's already happening. The increase in tourism from Sweden to Thailand is so big that the airlines manage to fill up whatever they put on the route.
27 Post contains images Solnabo : @ CHRISBA777ER Goin´to Austria over X-mas/New Year skiing. MD-90 to INN all the way Do you fly LHR - BKK or MAN - BKK with EK (stop-over DXB?) Micke/
28 CHRISBA777ER : LGW-DXB-BKK (77W) BKK-Koh Samui-BKK (Bangkok Air, 717) BKK-Chaing Mai -BKK (TG A306) BKK-DXB-LHR (77W, 773A)
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