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American May Replace Hundreds Of MD-80s  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3040 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20462 times:

Two links to same story:

American May Replace Hundreds Of MD-80s

Courtesy: Dallas Morning News

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...tories/120806dnbusamr.6c5c20f.html

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedconten...tories/120806dnbusamr.6c5c20f.html

115 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24310 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20472 times:

Topic already going;
http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/read.main/3136124



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20416 times:

I've been hearing this for quite a while. I figured it was inevitable, but the question has always been "with what?". The 738 would be the logical choice now, but I think AA is wise to give it some serious thought.

AA MadDogs are gradually disappearing from DCA. The last time I checked all their fllights to MIA were with 738's.

It'll be a sad day when the last MadDog is retired.



Flying Colors Forever!
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20397 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 2):
The 738 would be the logical choice now, but I think AA is wise to give it some serious thought.

That is my thought as well. They are the right sized aircraft to replace the MD80 with, and AA is a very strong Boeing customer. Isn't their entire mainline fleet all-boeing?

Quoting Contrails (Reply 2):
AA MadDogs are gradually disappearing from DCA. The last time I checked all their fllights to MIA were with 738's.

It'll be a sad day when the last MadDog is retired.

Yes it will, but they will make way for better, more efficient birds that will take their place.



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20365 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 2):
The last time I checked all their fllights to MIA were with 738's.

S80's no longer operate from MIA.



DCA
User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2430 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20347 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
Isn't their entire mainline fleet all-boeing?

Entire, less the Airbus fleet.  Smile



You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20300 times:

Wow, I had no idea this was news. Next up: "Northwest may not retire its DC-9's this year...."


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20118 times:

A friend of mine who works at AA (yes, I actually have a friend who it a pilot at AA), says it would be hard to get the delivery slots for the 738. Maybe as a long term replacement, but aren't they updating them with fuel efficient tail cones or something?

My two cents.



From YVR
User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19988 times:

AA do operate the A300 for mainline service

User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2194 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19860 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 8):
AA do operate the A300 for mainline service

Yes. Mostly on Caribbean and South American routes.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 860 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19788 times:

Last paragraph of the article linked above:

"The 37 aircraft scheduled for delivery next year will be used to boost service at existing cities, including Dallas, where Southwest is now able to sell tickets throughout its U.S. network. "

What 37 aircraft scheduled for delivery next year? I was unaware AA was still taking delivery of aircraft at this time.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19612 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 8):
AA do operate the A300 for mainline service

Shoot! I forgot about their A300s!!!



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineKbmiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19573 times:

Quoting Dbo861 (Reply 10):

What 37 aircraft scheduled for delivery next year? I was unaware AA was still taking delivery of aircraft at this time.

The last two paragraphs of the article are about SWA, not AA. SWA is taking delivery of 37 aircraft next year.


User currently offlineVref5 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19517 times:

One of the attractions of the AA MD-80s was the (self-)powered pushback.

I assume they'd still want that capability in their replacement aircraft, particularly at hubs during pushes/banks instead of waiting on a tractor+tow bar to become available.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2230 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19374 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 2):
I've been hearing this for quite a while. I figured it was inevitable, but the question has always been "with what?". The 738 would be the logical choice now, but I think AA is wise to give it some serious thought.

The oldest MD-80s will probably be replaced in the next few years but I think the planes built during the '90s could be flying with AA for another 10 years, depending on how long it takes Boeing to come up with a future aircraft design that will replace the 737NG. Even if they were to make a larger order today it would take a quite a while to replace 300 aircraft from service.

Quoting Contrails (Reply 2):
It'll be a sad day when the last MadDog is retired.

I'm right there with you on that. I'm looking forward to flying on an AA Mad Dog next Friday ORD - TUS.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19358 times:

The title should be: American Will Replace Hundreds Of MD-80s (At Some Point).


When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineAviator27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19287 times:

AAn AAmaziong rumor I heard was that AA was thinking of ordering A320's. I fell out of my chair when I heard that one. It came from a pretty reliable source.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19021 times:

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 16):
AAn AAmaziong rumor I heard was that AA was thinking of ordering A320's. I fell out of my chair when I heard that one. It came from a pretty reliable source.

Why would they do that when they've got deferred 737 orders at killer prices?



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18805 times:

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 16):
AAn AAmaziong rumor I heard was that AA was thinking of ordering A320's

AAmerican going AAirbus? That would be an AAmazing day for AA.netters, the forums would be full, and I think some Boeing execs would cry.


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18724 times:

I wish they would replace all of them. I think its dumb flying on a MD-80
on long flights like ORD-LAX and like I did YYC to DFW.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18721 times:

American must do like Southwest - have a rolling replacement plan, retiring the older planes and taking delivery of new ones as they come due for heavy check or engine overhaul.

They need to have a deal with Boing that covers 738 and Y1-8. When Y1-8 comes about they start taking that in leu of 738s.

They certainly should not invest any more $$$ on the Dogs since they have no ressale value to speak off.



Killer Fleet: E190, 737-900ER, 777-300ER
User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18671 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 19):
I wish they would replace all of them. I think its dumb flying on a MD-80

It's fun. I have an upcoming 4 leg trip on 4 MD-80's. Love sitting on the side with 2 seats.

You know when they're gone you'll miss them. And secretly everyone here will miss the DC-9's when NW retires them, just like they miss the -10's. Most dont say it though.


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18390 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 21):
It's fun. I have an upcoming 4 leg trip on 4 MD-80's. Love sitting on the side with 2 seats.

You know when they're gone you'll miss them. And secretly everyone here will miss the DC-9's when NW retires them, just like they miss the -10's. Most dont say it though.

Thats why I go against my companies wishes and fly Delta. I would rather
fly a 767-400 or a 777 next week to LAX instead of 2 MD-80s.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18362 times:

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 16):
AAn AAmaziong rumor I heard was that AA was thinking of ordering A320's.



Quoting N328KF (Reply 17):
Why would they do that when they've got deferred 737 orders at killer prices?

Because with 200+ planes to replace they could quite easily buy both.


User currently offlineDeltaJet757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18326 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 2):
It'll be a sad day when the last MadDog is retired.

No kidding.

For now the 738 would be the best option for AA. If only Boeing would start making the 717's with a better marketing plan unlike the original 717 program which failed and resulted in the 717 not selling as well as it was intended/hoped to sell or if Boeing could come up with a totally new jet the size of the MD-80 or of similar size.

-DeltaJet757



FLY DELTA JETS
25 Post contains images Captaink : It would be something to see the last MD from AAs fleet retired. I am all teary eyed already, it being my favourite aircraft type. Luckily I live whe
26 Baron95 : I am sick and tired of flying on AA's MD-80s and 738s both airplanes suck!!! I am a Boeing and AA fan. But I have to say, JetBlue's A320 with leather
27 Flyinround731 : Funny you should call them the absolute worst, since we've got old DC-9s from the mid 60's and Mad Dogs from the early 80's still flying passengers a
28 Baron95 : I excluded the DC-9s didn't I? At least NW's which has the most. Please fly JetBlue's A320 in Y, then fly AA MD-80 or 738 in Y. I have done it on the
29 Flyorski : What about getting Eagle to replace some capacity with E170s? That way they could get rid of the oldest MD80s, and kill some capacity on the thinner r
30 Post contains images Magyarorszag : They are so tactful!
31 Captaink : You confuse me. Are you upset with the airplane type of the inglight service offered. Cause wider leather seats and PTV's can be offered on the 738.
32 Vegas005 : AA 767 pilot told me this several days ok. AA to be all 737,777,787 fleet by 2015, with hopes that the new generation 737 will be composite like the 7
33 Columba : I do ! 727 was the best looking jet airliner ever (together with the 707). I had plenty of flights with them (mostly Pan Am which is also missed and
34 Baron95 : You are right in the sense that I am mixing complaints. First there is the way American (and United/NW and until recently Delta) outfit their planes.
35 Post contains images Rbgso : I must say I also miss the 727. I know it was a bit underpowered, but seeing those birds (especially the older 100 models with no hush kits) thunder
36 Airbus340 : What are the Y1-8's???
37 Dutchjet : Agreed. Are you paying? Hope that you have high limits on your credit cards, say in the billions and billions of dollars? And we all know how reliabl
38 Rheinbote : AA may begin replacing MD-80s with Y1-025s or Y1-050s in early 2013...
39 EMBQA : They are replacing the MD-80's with B737's. After Sept '01 the delivery plans were slowed down...
40 Post contains images Av8rDAL : That sounds all too much like a headline you would see in The Onion.
41 Jfk777 : Order 737-700/800 starting NOW & place an order for the New replacement. Buying or Leasing the Delta 738 being sold to finacial firm would be a good i
42 HighFlyer9790 : Why replace the most sucessful aircraft in history? far as i know they'll keep updating it, but just beacuse AA wants an md-80 replacement doesn't me
43 AA767400 : Can't blame you there. In fact, no one has this kind of product really anywhere. F9 has it, but is it free? The S80 is a great plane, and the only ti
44 FlyLKU : What do the production slots for the 738 look like? Sometimes airlines are forced to buy their second choice simply because they would have to wait t
45 BillReid : Some years back I worked AA mx in TUL. MX hates all A products because they have no knowledge of it. My guess is that AA may become the launch custome
46 LMP737 : Why would AA order A320's with PTV's when they can order 737NG's with PTV's?
47 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Since this topic is already running, can someone explain why this thread is up to 46 replies? http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/
48 ATLflyer : I flew AA's 737-800s in 2001 and the plane was beautiful...the way a new plane should be. In 2004, I flew the 737-800 again to San Jose, CR and I foun
49 Wingnut767 : They already have a large fleet of 777's Correct. And they already have the 737NG's with orders on Deferral
50 Captaink : SO do I, it was a great ride. The used it to GND when they flew there. I do agree with you on the MD80 point, it being an older plane and time for it
51 A350 : We all know that the 737 and A320 successors are not coming tomorrow. Seeing the age of their Mad Dogs and that even A320 operators are replacing thei
52 Post contains images Lightsaber : Its pretty obvious AA needs to start continuously updating their fleet. I'm going to join the chorus who say buy 738's and become a Y1 launch customer
53 SuseJ772 : Ok this is what I don't get about AA (as well as DL & NW) potential replacement orders. In theory there is going to be a lot of new technology learned
54 Captaink : The question now is, can they keep flying those MD80s, Dc9s etc until that said replacement is developed. We are are talking somewhere 2010-2013 I su
55 EXMEMWIDGET : It will be a while before that happens though.
56 MEACEDAR : Maybe will se some A319s or A320s with AA colors. WOW!!! I just imagined it. I think it will look great with AA livery.
57 Post contains images Captaink : I just imagined it too, didn't look too good.
58 Post contains images OB1504 : Isn't this what most American legacies with majority-Boeing fleets will be shooting for, anyway? One short-haul aircraft, one medium-haul aircraft, a
59 N328KF : Y2 is the 787. Y1/737RS and Y3 are the three potential models.
60 Floridaflyboy : I wouldn't count on that, as politically nices as it would be. With airlines like DL simplifying their fleets, I couldn't see AA going against it and
61 Ealsys1 : You have over 3M lifetime miles so it's safe to say that you fly F quite a bit. You also have your choice of prime Y seats. I've found the F section
62 Post contains links and images Columba : Modified Airliner Photos:Design © Template © mikephotos
63 DesertAir : It seems to me that airlines need aircraft that can fly the majority of their routes. AA would be wise to select a plane that can fly the usual hub an
64 Floridaflyboy : I agree. The 738 and 319 are capable of reaching any point in the continental United States from any other point, pretty much, right?
65 A350 : I don't think AA has strong emotions on this accident. Commonality shouldn't play too large a large role at AAs fleet size. The only problem is that
66 Dutchjet : Think again. -------- AA is not placing orders for the A32X.......you are forgetting that AA has existing orders with Boeing that have been deferred,
67 Post contains images OB1504 : That was a typo on my part, one that I didn't notice until it was too late. And to think I made it on my 1000th post...
68 Baron95 : Y1 AKA Yellowstone 1 AKA 737RS is the rumorred design/study/concept to replace the 737NG. I took the liberty to christening the Y1-8 as being the rep
69 Dutchjet : So since you seem to be a FF with AA, I guess that you are paying. The spend money to make money line is cute......but after the financial roller coa
70 Jfk777 : The before of the "new" 737RS is ten years, so lets worry about the next 10 years until 2016 when the RS is ready. The 737NG fits the bill and there a
71 N328KF : That accident really pissed off American Airlines. Airbus made the cardinal mistake of blaming the customer before the investigation was complete.
72 CEO@AFG : To me there seems to be a very easy breakdown of figures here. AA has 327 MD-80s to replace according to the Dallas Morning News article. Airbus and B
73 N328KF : You will not see an AA order for Airbus products for at least a decade. With deposit dollars in Boeing's hands and a rabid anti-Airbus attitude at th
74 Ken777 : While I believe that AA may add some more 737s I believe that their main focus is going to be watching how the engine companies are going on their dev
75 TrijetsRMissed : What we have here are is aviation enthusiasts such as myself and others who love the classic aircraft models and variety and then others with the typ
76 Post contains images Werkur767 : If will cost 10 billion i think the replacement of MD-80s should be soon, because the 737-800s are more economic and even soon is better, costs are co
77 TrijetsRMissed : Maybe not for the 25 year old Mad Dogs but everything else will probably find a new home. There is no question the ex-TWA MD-83s will. I am convinced
78 Ckfred : I think AA has cut back of the powerback procedure. The 727s, MD-80s, and F100s all used to powerback at ATL, but they quit in 2003 or 2004, because
79 Baron95 : First of all, I would not presume to second guess AA's executive team on airline procurement decisions. I don't have even 1% of the facts. The only t
80 Ckfred : Call me strange, but for the lack of IFE, I like the first-class cabins on the MD-80s. Unlike the 757s, which desparately need new seats, the MD-80s
81 AirSpare : Like flying biz on a BA aircraft, sitting next to a Brit, they think that you as an American are actually interested in hearing about W. I just say p
82 Captaink : I have only within the past two years or so started flying AA, as I was with another FF program before. Now the last airline i was with, (no names) f
83 Baron95 : I wouldn't have over 3M miles on AA and be Exec Platinum for eons if I didn't like the airline. I do. There are many things that AA does right. It ha
84 LMP737 : If AA were to do that do you think those "grumpy" FA's will all of a sudden get a smile on thier face? Also, you could not cut pay enough to be able
85 Thebry : Yiicchh! Doesn't look good at all in silver -- plus the nose gear is too far back. It seems unbalanced --- sortof like a toy or something.
86 Tommy767 : I used to a pretty Anti-MD-80 guy. Then I started flying AA a lot more over the past few years, and have really become aclimated with the S80, and now
87 Baron95 : Why not? Salaries are AA's second largest expense (used to be first) right after fuel. Trust me, FA salaries are held artificially high by union cont
88 LMP737 : I noticed you did not address the question I had in regards to employee moral if you were to implement the draconian measures you seam to believe in.
89 Baron95 : I am an AA frequent flyer and I haven't detected ANY decrease in quality of service since they took the pay concessions. As a matter of fact, I have
90 777jaah : I know this is out of topic, but I'm having a discussion with someone in my office on which airline has the biggest fleet, and I assumed AA did. Of co
91 LMP737 : It's flawed logic to believe that going after another 20% is going to have a similar "affect". Especially now that AA is starting to make a profit. W
92 Post contains links LMP737 : http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737...amily/news/2006/q3/060906d_nr.html
93 SJUboeingGirl : that's good news for me , I find MD-80's extremely noisy and there are probably better aircraft that can save more fuel than this ugly aircraft.
94 Post contains images Captaink : Now you see, these are the statements I don't like to hear. SJUGirl how u could say the MD80 ugly. That just broke my heart.
95 Baron95 : Dude, you talk like if a salary is an entitlement - it is not. If someone just as competent as you is willing to do your job for less, you are by def
96 TrijetsRMissed : LOL.. While I don't find it heartbreaking, I agree with you Captaink. You've probably noticed the amount of Boeing purists on this board who can't wa
97 Post contains images Captaink : And whether we like it or not, they will continue to serve them for a few years more. Imagine I have two MD80s flights to take next week, back to bac
98 Post contains images Steeler83 : I love tail-mounted T-tailed aircraft. It's a shame how so many of them are being phased out. The first part of your statement is true. Instead of ma
99 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Right on. I'll be on an AA MD-80 this Friday when I fly ORD - TUS, which is roughly 3.5 hours. I'm sitting in 11A. In the front and on the two seat s
100 Ken777 : Some ramblings . . . Actually today I saw a private DC-3 flying over our office (it's under the flight path for TUL's Riverside Airport when landing f
101 Post contains images Baron95 : They are not - that is a mith. They are there simply because the FAA and xAA require about one for each 50 pax, to serve you drinks, to peddle duty f
102 Jetdeltamsy : I don't see American going with Airbus. AA, like Southwest, is one of Boeing's best customers. American has a history of extracting fantastic deals on
103 TrijetsRMissed : I sure would be all for it but I find it doubtful. Regarding AA587, AA is in the wrong. I'm not a big Airbus fan, although the A300 is my favorite of
104 Planemaker : You bring up a good point... just how many crew should an airliner require. The 1 in 50 hasn't been changed even though airline safety has increased
105 Post contains images Steeler83 : Agreed, I don't think the 737 will EVER be discontinued. This plane has been flying for almost 40 years, and I think it will be around for another 40
106 Post contains images TeamAmerica : If I may nitpick, there were two incidents that I know of. AA587 lost the entire vertical stabilizer, not just the rudder. Air Transat 961 had a "rud
107 United787 : I don't know, looks pretty scary to me, holy $hit!
108 ERAUgrad02 : OK wouldnt getting rid of the md-80 for 737-800s leave a big seat gap between the crj-700 that eagle flies to the -800? Unless AA got the 737-600 (i k
109 Captaink : Gap in terms of what? The difference in seating is around 11-13 seats. B738- 142 and the MD80 - 129/131[Edited 2006-12-12 19:02:54]
110 777FlyGuy : And the smart thing would be? Oh, wait.... Right. Replace every M80 with a widebody. Want to rethink your "dumb" comment? What is it with the vidiots
111 JetSet777 : Fortunately, working for DL I have had the oppurtunity to work with the MD-88 quite regularly on the ramp at CAE. Before working around them I was not
112 TrijetsRMissed : Has DL publicly announced plans to replace the MD-88s and -90s yet? I have not heard anything recently and surely the financial troubles should delay
113 JetSet777 : No, DL has made no announcement to replace the 88's and probably wont for quite a while. The only A/C they have retired recently is the 732, which are
114 TrijetsRMissed : Good to hear. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the fleet for another decade if a merger does not take place. The 732s on the other hand had to
115 LMP737 : Sorry to burst your bubble but I do not view it as an entitlement. And since the employees of AA agreed to the concessions that tells me they do not
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