RJ100 From Russia, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 33 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2763 times:
As usual when a competitor turns up in ZRH Swiss is doing a nice fare dumping + adding flights to create an overcapacity and since most competitors (flyBaboo, Helvetic, ...) are weak or too small they will be out of business very soon.
And without competition fares go up again.
RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4179 posts, RR: 45 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 1): Take the train, even First Class is much cheaper then by plane because of all the taxes.
Come on between the train and airplane my choice is done. However I made these flights because one time my GF was flying into ZRH and I wanted to wait her in the gate as a surprise, and the other time it was for the a.net meet!
For special occasions like that I prefere a good old Avro over an ICN
Quoting ANother (Reply 4): Wonder about Squeezy-Jet. They previously showed some interest in this market, but haven't heard much recently.
if they start operating GVA-ZRH, they will eat Swiss and Swiss will not like and will do anything to bust EZS off.
A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
RJ100 From Russia, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 33 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2570 times:
I'm sure easyJet will do absolutely nothing in this market. LX, being a network carrier, can offer more frequencies and as mentioned before, is able to cross-subsidize flights for a certain time.
That's why it is extremely difficult to set up something in ZRH in general.
easyJet does not have a lot of spare resources, in fact they have problems to recruit enough people and they have not enough aircraft to expand all bases as much as they want. They are certainly not going to waste resources and their money on routes such as GVA-ZRH.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21460 posts, RR: 24 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2492 times:
LX have much cheaper round trip fares GVA-ZRH. I just checked their website for GVA-ZRH tomorrow and returning 3 days later and found fares on certain off-peak flights as low as CHF207 including all taxes/fees.
However, as someone else mentioned, from downtown to downtown it's as fast if not faster by train (2 hrs. 42 minutes and a train every 30 minutes), not to mention cheaper, more comfortable, and more likely to be on time, and no long lines at airport security checks etc.
Most LX passengers on GVA-ZRH-GVA flights are making connections at ZRH, not travelling locally, apart from a couple of early morning and evening flights in each direction popular with day-trip business travellers.
Swissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2437 times:
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 2): As usual when a competitor turns up in ZRH Swiss is doing a nice fare dumping + adding flights to create an overcapacity and since most competitors (flyBaboo, Helvetic, ...) are weak or too small they will be out of business very soon.
And without competition fares go up again.
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 7): I'm sure easyJet will do absolutely nothing in this market.
Exactly why would they?? no need there are other opportunities for them to make the good $$$$
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8): Most LX passengers on GVA-ZRH-GVA flights are making connections at ZRH, not travelling locally, apart from a couple of early morning and evening flights in each direction popular with day-trip business travellers.
RJ100 From Russia, joined Nov 2000, 4107 posts, RR: 33 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2393 times:
Quoting Swissy (Reply 9): Thats called competition in a open market......
I am a big fan of open markets. That's why I have a different opinion on the Swissair/Crossair/Swiss-case...
It is interesting that the very same people screamed for State aid some years ago who now support LX's dumping prices that kills competition, jobs and welfare in Switzerland.
ZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2330 times:
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 10): It is interesting that the very same people screamed for State aid some years ago who now support LX's dumping prices that kills competition, jobs and welfare in Switzerland.
Myt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 74 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
I'd say drive but it takes the best part of a day. By the time you've gone back into France, thru Mont Blanc, down to Turin and Milan, up to Vaduz and into Austria, then up to Zurich you will have covered nearly 500 miles!
Swissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2237 times:
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 10): Quoting Swissy (Reply 9):
Thats called competition in a open market......
I am a big fan of open markets. That's why I have a different opinion on the Swissair/Crossair/Swiss-case...
It is interesting that the very same people screamed for State aid some years ago who now support LX's dumping prices that kills competition, jobs and welfare in Switzerland.
That happens pretty much all over the world..... it seams to be comon practice in these days.....
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 10): And no, that's not bashing, just my opinion.
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5534 posts, RR: 40 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2216 times:
Actually flights between GVA and ZRH only make sense for connecting passengers. For all others, as mentioned, the train goes every 30 minutes, is more comfortable and faster, when you consider all these check-in times and ridiculous security sanctions.
Magyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2184 times:
Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 14): Actually flights between GVA and ZRH only make sense for connecting passengers. For all others, as mentioned, the train goes every 30 minutes, is more comfortable and faster, when you consider all these check-in times and ridiculous security sanctions.
I regularly go to the ZRH region by train. Its cheap, efficient, comfortable, no ridiculous security things and sometimes chat with nice people.
HBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2125 times:
Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 14): Actually flights between GVA and ZRH only make sense for connecting passengers. For all others, as mentioned, the train goes every 30 minutes, is more comfortable and faster, when you consider all these check-in times and ridiculous security sanctions.
You probably never took a train between the 2 cities. It takes 4 hours on the direct train. As for the flight it take only 20 minutes + roughly 45 minutes at GVA for check in and security and 15 minutes at ZRH for deplaning and customs. So 4 hours opposed to 1h20.............
The trains are not comfortable. Usually from Freibourg to ZRH, the train is more than overcrowded. The food sold on trains is disgusting and out of price as are the fares on swiss trains.
When I lived in GVA, I always prefered the plane. Now that I have a longer drive to GVA, I choose to drive directly to ZRH.
Own point of view though
Magyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
Quoting HBJZA (Reply 18): It takes 4 hours on the direct train.
WRONG! That's 2 hours 43 minutes.
Quoting HBJZA (Reply 18): The food sold on trains is disgusting and out of price
Nobody forces you to buy it! Railway stations have become real shopping mall lately, with great choice.
Quoting HBJZA (Reply 18): out of price as are the fares on swiss trains.
Of course, if you are using them once every three years, that will render them expensive, but when I go to Zürich or sometimes farther I just pay CHF 56.-- for a whole day wherever I want to go in the country, or almost!
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5534 posts, RR: 40 Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2109 times:
Quoting HBJZA (Reply 18): You probably never took a train between the 2 cities. It takes 4 hours on the direct train.
Please stay with the facts, 4 hours was probably 30 years ago. I think you did not take it recently. The direct trains either ICN or IC (via Bern) take both exactly 2 h 42 (43) min from city-center to city-center. Look it up at www.sbb.ch . Take 15 min to the airport in GVA, 45 min for check-in and security (which is not much), 50 min flight (this the block time Swiss has in its time-tables, incl. taxiing-flight-taxiing), another 40 min to get of the aircraft and get to the city, then you have at least 2 h 30 min: at least. Therefore only for connecting passengers or passengers which only go from airport to airport the flight is better than the train.
ZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2083 times:
I for one just completely dislike traveling by train, and i dont even know why. I always feel so uncomfortable and somehow dont manage to sit down and relax :S I also find that the train fares have become ridicolousely high over the past few years, compared to our neighbour countries (especially germany).
The worst thing about the military service was travelling through whole switzerland twice every weekend
HBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2083 times:
Quoting ZRH (Reply 20): Please stay with the facts, 4 hours was probably 30 years ago. I think you did not take it recently. The direct trains either ICN or IC (via Bern) take both exactly 2 h 42 (43) min from city-center to city-center
I just checked on CFF website and I invite you to do so as well. Ok I exagerate a bit but from what I saw on their website, the shortest trip from Genève aéroport to Zürich flughafen is 3 hours and 10 minutes. Closer actually to what I said.
Quoting ZRH (Reply 20): Take 15 min to the airport in GVA, 45 min for check-in and security (which is not much), 50 min flight (this the block time Swiss has in its time-tables, incl. taxiing-flight-taxiing), another 40 min to get of the aircraft and get to the city, then you have at least 2 h 30 min: at least.
And I also invite to try it out. As I always said, it was practical when I lived in GVA but no more if I have to drive 1 hour to the airport. That's why I compared the trip time from airport to airport for both, train and plane. And not from city stations as you did.
Anyway I stay with my opinion as to for one living in GVA, the plane is WAYS quicker and funnier than stinky trains.
It's not my aim to hurt you sensibility about the CFF/SBB/FFS but just my point of view. It's maybe time to sell you SBB shares
I think its an extreme form of love to airtravel I dont like travelling by car either, as a matter of fact i dont liek any landtraveling, not even trams
25 Magyarorszag: That's so true! Which one ? So the question is, are you flying or walking the rest of the time ?
26 Swissy: I guess it depends from where you start. Me, it would be Winkel-ZRH-GVA-GVA-city by air. Bus to airport 20min. Check-in & S-check 45min. travel time 5
27 ZRHnerd: I couldn't agree more! However, of course, it also depends on $$ Well, actually, it's not exactly a political debate just yet, but there was an inter
28 ZRH: Please read my post: I said from airport to airport the plane is better, but for sure not from city-center to city-center. Therefore you can not take
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