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User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13476 times:

Is it true that Air France is returning some of their 777 200's back to the leasing companies?

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13419 times:

Quoting CB777 (Thread starter):
Is it true that Air France is returning some of their 777 200's back to the leasing companies?

I've heard these stories before, and I find them hard to believe because they are retrofitting all 25 of them and they need the capacity to further reinforce the longhaul network. Lots of potential for further growth remains unanswered because of capacity restrictions.


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13038 times:

What version of the AF 772ER flies CDG-IAD?


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12799 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 2):
What version of the AF 772ER flies CDG-IAD?

Right now, both daily flights operate with the non-reconfigured aircraft, but towards the end of the winter schedule the second daily flight will go with the new configuration and for the summer season all B772ER flights will operate with the new configuration.


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12792 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Right now, both daily flights operate with the non-reconfigured aircraft, but towards the end of the winter schedule the second daily flight will go with the new configuration and for the summer season all B772ER flights will operate with the new configuration.

Hi HB, thanks for your reply

what is this old and new configuration? can you please elaborate!  Smile



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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12752 times:

Does AF like its mix of long range Boeing and Airbus aircraft? ORD never gets the 777 from AF, that I have seen since I worked here. On some routes to the U.S they use the T7 and on others the A340(I believe it is). Any reason to the mix and match?

User currently offlineGmale72 From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12715 times:

AF's 777's are fitted with F/J/Y and only operate to Premium destinations (ie JFK, YUL, IAD ) and the A340/A330 are 2 class J/Y and operate to the remainder ( YYZ, EWR, ORD) The 777 fleet are all being refitted with the new 3rd Generation Biz Seat over the course of the next few months.

User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12696 times:

Quoting Gmale72 (Reply 6):
AF's 777's are fitted with F/J/Y and only operate to Premium destinations (ie JFK, YUL, IAD ) and the A340/A330 are 2 class J/Y and operate to the remainder ( YYZ, EWR, ORD) The 777 fleet are all being refitted with the new 3rd Generation Biz Seat over the course of the next few months.

How about their 747s to India and Africa?



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User currently offlineGmale72 From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12689 times:

747 fleet is also a 2 class product J/Y only
India and some African destinations get 777's

YYZ is going from A340 to 747 for next summer, so no difference in Product, just capacity.


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12667 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 4):
what is this old and new configuration? can you please elaborate!

- Old Version : 12P / 56J / 202Y
- New Version : 4P / 49J / 211Y

Even some of the CDG-IAD flights (AF0026) were recently (until Oct. 27) with the new configuration, and ten days ago AF0028 was with a B773 (registration F-GSQM)!!!


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12629 times:

Quoting Gmale72 (Reply 8):
747 fleet is also a 2 class product J/Y only

Two 744, F-GISA and F-GISB, are still around with First class and operate to YUL and DEL with a config.: 13P / 58J (28 main deck + 30 Upper deck) / 324Y

Will be converted into freighters.

[Edited 2006-12-11 02:30:04]

User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12608 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 10):
Will be converted into freighters.

Once converted, what will DEL see next winter, i know in the summer it gets A343.



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User currently offline707437 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12581 times:

Their newer 773's have two configurations a typical longhaul layout 310 seats and a rather high density layout with a seat count that A340 will never even touch. . .472 seats!

AF has 772 with 264 seats and 773 with 472 seats not bad versatility. . .

The ability to have economy class at 9 or 10 across is a nice 777 feature when converting to a higher density economy layout. . . some routes need that kind of pax density to be profitable. . .


User currently offlineJycarlisle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11930 times:

Do what ever you want to, dear AF, but leave F-GSPM ALONE.  Smile

Amitiés,
Jeremy Carlisle


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11666 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 5):
ORD never gets the 777 from AF, that I have seen since I worked here.

ORD is one of the weaker performers in the Air France transatlantic network. The flight does currently not even operate daily, and Air France now sends regularly the A332, its smallest longhaul aircraft, to ORD, whereas the flight used to be always with A343.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 11):
Once converted, what will DEL see next winter, i know in the summer it gets A343.

I would venture to guess that DEL might get one of the two class B744s. A swap with YYZ looks likely and so DEL would then get the B744 whereas YYZ would get the A343 for the winter. The extra B744 capacity is coming from the COI network, where 3 additional 2-class B77Ws are about to join the fleet and the surplus B744 capacity will then be reconfigured to the AF mainline standards, and used on such routes as YYZ and ATL for the summer.

Quoting 707437 (Reply 12):
Their newer 773's have two configurations a typical longhaul layout 310 seats and a rather high density layout with a seat count that A340 will never even touch. . .472 seats!

Those high density B77Ws are based at ORY and are only used for traditional holiday destinations in the Caribbean and Indian Ocean. Currently, the 2-class B77W fleet consists of 4 frames, but 3 additional aircraft will be added shortly.


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11520 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
I would venture to guess that DEL might get one of the two class B744s. A swap with YYZ looks likely and so DEL would then get the B744 whereas YYZ would get the A343 for the winter.

How many 747 does AF operate right now? Don't you think DEL might start getting the 77W from winter 2007?



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User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11519 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 10):
Two 744, F-GISA and F-GISB, are still around with First class and operate to YUL and DEL with a config.: 13P / 58J (28 main deck + 30 Upper deck) / 324Y

Will be converted into freighters.

Wrong!

I was sitted in upper deck in Y. But the Y upperdeck have IFE, not the lower deck.

aad665


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11499 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 15):
How many 747 does AF operate right now? Don't you think DEL might start getting the 77W from winter 2007?

They operate 16 B744 pax aircraft right now. 9 are configured in the AF mainline 2-class layout, 2 remain in the old 3-class configuration and will be converted to freighters soon, and 5 more are in the so-called COI configuration with a limited 17-seat C-class section. These last 5 aircraft will gradually be reconfigured to the AF mainline standards as they are replaced by additional 2-class B77Ws.

As for DEL, I guess it is possible that AF would send a B77W over there as well, but it would make much more sense to decide once and for all whether DEL is gonna be a 2-class or a 3-class destination. As it goes, DEL operated 2-class in summer and right now 3-class in winter.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11426 times:

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 16):
Wrong!

I was sitted in upper deck in Y. But the Y upperdeck have IFE, not the lower deck.

You are wrong. And if you flew in Y at the upper deck, you did not fly on F-GISA or F-GISB as these two aircraft are still in the old configuration with 30 Business Class at the U/D.
And as IberiaA319 mentionned, they are schedulled to leave the PAX fleet in 2007 and 2008 for conversion into full freighter, a third B744 being schedulled also for freighter conversion in 2009.

Concerning the PTV in Y at the upper deck, ALL the 14 reconfigured B744 have them . 3 a/c have them ALSO in Y on the main deck (F-GITJ, TH, TI ).


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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11322 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 17):
COI configuration

I am sorry, but what does COI stand for? So DEL always sees F-GISA/B, never the other 14 B744s?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 17):
As it goes, DEL operated 2-class in summer and right now 3-class in winter.

Why is that? More premium pax during the winter??



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User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11275 times:

Hello,

Quoting Gmale72 (Reply 6):
The 777 fleet are all being refitted with the new 3rd Generation Biz Seat over the course of the next few months

Do you know which of the AF B772 (or may be FLYSSC knows) are refitted with the 3rd generation of Business seats (vs the 2nd generation called NEV) ?
I know that F-GSPA/B/C and some others are already refitted with the NEV interior (2nd generation or seats). I will fly to PVG end of December and was wondering if i would be able to get a B772ER with the latest Biz seats !

Q.


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 19):
but what does COI stand for?

Carribean-Indian Ocean network

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 19):
So DEL always sees F-GISA/B, never the other 14 B744s?

Since the beginning of the winter schedule yes. Only once it was F-GISD, on Dec. 6.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11161 times:

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 20):
Do you know which of the AF B772 (or may be FLYSSC knows) are refitted with the 3rd generation of Business seats

F-GSPC has them.


User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11071 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 22):
F-GSPC has them

Thank you FLYSSC... Do you know which version of B772 are flying to PVG - old config, NEV1, NEV2 - ?


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 23):
Do you know which version of B772 are flying to PVG - old config, NEV1, NEV2 - ?

You'll probably fly with the old config..............:

AF0112

11/12/2006 F-GSPY
10/12/2006 F-GSPH
09/12/2006 F-GSPG
08/12/2006 F-GSPE
07/12/2006 F-GSPD
06/12/2006 F-GSPT
05/12/2006 F-GSPV
04/12/2006 F-GSPD
03/12/2006 F-GSPG
02/12/2006 F-GSPE
01/12/2006 F-GSPD
30/11/2006 F-GSPT
29/11/2006 F-GSPJ
28/11/2006 F-GSPH
27/11/2006 F-GSPT
26/11/2006 F-GSPJ
25/11/2006 F-GSPF
24/11/2006 F-GSPT
23/11/2006 F-GSPX

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09/12/2006 F-GSPD
08/12/2006 F-GSPJ
05/12/2006 F-GSPE
03/12/2006 F-GSPF
01/12/2006 F-GSPK
28/11/2006 F-GSPF
26/11/2006 F-GSPK
24/11/2006 F-GSPO
21/11/2006 F-GSPG
19/11/2006 F-GSPT


25 Post contains links Mindscape : Thank you Iberia 319 However I did a quick search in the database and found this : this Back to the initial topic, I agree with HB-IWC, that would be
26 Mk777 : So IAD-CDG sees the newer version of B772ER??
27 Post contains images IberiaA319 : , you see the old config as well. However there are exceptions: Today AF0026/7, CDG-IAD was operated with a 777-300ER, F-GSQD, this one used normally
28 HB-IWC : Again, right now both flights are scheduled with the B772ER with old configuration. Of course, exceptions do occur now and then but that is what is s
29 Post contains images Mk777 : Well I am hoping for the B77W on Dec 31st!!!
30 HB-IWC : For now, both flights on that day are scheduled to be operated with a non reconfigured B772ER: AF028 CDG 10:15 IAD 12:50 772 P9 F9 A0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Z9
31 Mk777 : What are all those alphabets and #s?? How abt AF 148 on Jan 1st??
32 Post contains links FlySSC : Right. Not only AF should not withdraw any B777 from use, but you can expect AF will add more of them (probably -300ER ) in the close future as a rep
33 HB-IWC : I presume you are flying IAD-CDG-DEL on Dec31/Jan01, in which case this is the availability of your flights: AF039 IAD 16:55 CDG 06:20 772 P9 F9 A0 J
34 Post contains images Lufthansa747 : AF's standard availability there I see... F9 A0, Z9 O0
35 Post contains images Mk777 : thanks HB-IWC Are these seat availability in different classes?? P, J, A, Y, B, K H etc??? How abt AF147/AF028 on jan 16th for my return leg, oh btw y
36 HB-IWC : The letters represent the booking classes, with P/F/A standing for First Class (L'Espace Premiere), J/C/D/I/Z/O for Business Class (L'Espace Affaires)
37 Mindscape : Hello, HB-IWC, may I ask you the same type of information for the following flights (NEV or old config) : AF 116 on 12/23 AF 117 on 12/31 Thanks !
38 Goldorak : AFAIK, A343 is used in summer and A332 in winter. And I remember in 1996, they were using B742 ! After that, AF has even flew the route twice a day w
39 HB-IWC : Both flights are scheduled to operate with a B772ER in old configuration. Here is the availability overview: AF116 CDG 23:25 PVG 17:25 772 P9 F9 A9 J
40 Goldorak : it was already the case last winter
41 Mk777 : are the a/cs similar for dec 30th/dec31st for IAD-CDG-DEL??
42 HB-IWC : Yes, both days IAD CDG has a non reconfigured B772ER and CDG DEL a 3-class non reconfigured B744, but it seems that flights on 31Dec/01Jan are emptie
43 Mk777 : thanks Nick. I was wondering if the extra leg room seats (next to doors) are pre assigned or do they assign them at check in??
44 HB-IWC : As far as I know, Air France never gives away those seats in advance, not even to its own Flying Blue Elite members. So, yes, it is all happening at
45 Mindscape : Thank you HB-IWC. It's a pitty to get the old configuration... i would have expected to see NEV1 or better NEV2 seats on PVG destination...
46 FlySSC : As I mentionned above, F-GSPC have them, and F-GSPU also. A total of 10 B772ER are now modified with the new configuration.
47 PurpleBox : Hi, I'm flying AF276 CDG-NRT on the 21st (B772ER) and AF277 NRT-CDG on the 31st (B773ER). What can I expect in Y, will there be PTV? PurpleBox.[Edited
48 Jouy31 : Yes, for both the B772ER and the B773ER.
49 Mennix : Can anybody tell me, which C-Class I'll get on AF990 Dec. 23rd CDF-JNB and AF 995 Jan 5th JNB-CDG? Is it old, Nev1 or Nev 2? AF told me on the phone,
50 Post contains images IberiaA319 : NEV1, it will be a CDG based 777-300ER: Your loads, pretty packed on your way back..... AF990: P6 F6 R0 A3 J9 C9 D9 I9 Z9 Q0 Y9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 L9
51 Post contains images Mennix : Thanks Iberia, Nev1 ist still better than OTC. Some weeks ago C was fully booked, so I really hoped to get an upgrade ( Plat Elite with more than 150k
52 LY777 : Can someone tell me the difference betwenn NEV1 and NEV2?Any picture to show the difference?
53 Post contains images Mennix : Small update. I asked for a mileage upgrade. No chance. And than, at the gate, the big surprise. All three of us upgraded to F. NICE
54 Post contains links UAL747-600 : Here's a new Air France 300ER (F-GSQS) getting ready for delivery. Info courtesy of RobK (www.seattle-deliveries.com) and photo credit to Matt Cawby (
55 Lijnden : Aren't some of the old AF B772 that are leased going to Royal Brunei and will be replaced by a bunch of leased B773's.
56 Post contains links Puck : NEV2 is a small upgrade to NEV1 forced when the NEV1 seat manufacturer went out of business. The new seats are similar in appearance but have a flatt
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