HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4416 posts, RR: 75 Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11390 times:
Quoting CB777 (Thread starter): Is it true that Air France is returning some of their 777 200's back to the leasing companies?
I've heard these stories before, and I find them hard to believe because they are retrofitting all 25 of them and they need the capacity to further reinforce the longhaul network. Lots of potential for further growth remains unanswered because of capacity restrictions.
Mk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11009 times:
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4416 posts, RR: 75 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10770 times:
Quoting Mk777 (Reply 2): What version of the AF 772ER flies CDG-IAD?
Right now, both daily flights operate with the non-reconfigured aircraft, but towards the end of the winter schedule the second daily flight will go with the new configuration and for the summer season all B772ER flights will operate with the new configuration.
Mk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10763 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3): Right now, both daily flights operate with the non-reconfigured aircraft, but towards the end of the winter schedule the second daily flight will go with the new configuration and for the summer season all B772ER flights will operate with the new configuration.
Hi HB, thanks for your reply
what is this old and new configuration? can you please elaborate!
Tsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10723 times:
Does AF like its mix of long range Boeing and Airbus aircraft? ORD never gets the 777 from AF, that I have seen since I worked here. On some routes to the U.S they use the T7 and on others the A340(I believe it is). Any reason to the mix and match?
Gmale72 From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10686 times:
AF's 777's are fitted with F/J/Y and only operate to Premium destinations (ie JFK, YUL, IAD ) and the A340/A330 are 2 class J/Y and operate to the remainder ( YYZ, EWR, ORD) The 777 fleet are all being refitted with the new 3rd Generation Biz Seat over the course of the next few months.
Mk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10667 times:
Quoting Gmale72 (Reply 6): AF's 777's are fitted with F/J/Y and only operate to Premium destinations (ie JFK, YUL, IAD ) and the A340/A330 are 2 class J/Y and operate to the remainder ( YYZ, EWR, ORD) The 777 fleet are all being refitted with the new 3rd Generation Biz Seat over the course of the next few months.
IberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, RR: 40 Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10638 times:
Quoting Mk777 (Reply 4): what is this old and new configuration? can you please elaborate!
- Old Version : 12P / 56J / 202Y
- New Version : 4P / 49J / 211Y
Even some of the CDG-IAD flights (AF0026) were recently (until Oct. 27) with the new configuration, and ten days ago AF0028 was with a B773 (registration F-GSQM)!!!
IberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, RR: 40 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10600 times:
Quoting Gmale72 (Reply 8): 747 fleet is also a 2 class product J/Y only
Two 744, F-GISA and F-GISB, are still around with First class and operate to YUL and DEL with a config.: 13P / 58J (28 main deck + 30 Upper deck) / 324Y
Mk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10579 times:
707437 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10552 times:
Their newer 773's have two configurations a typical longhaul layout 310 seats and a rather high density layout with a seat count that A340 will never even touch. . .472 seats!
AF has 772 with 264 seats and 773 with 472 seats not bad versatility. . .
The ability to have economy class at 9 or 10 across is a nice 777 feature when converting to a higher density economy layout. . . some routes need that kind of pax density to be profitable. . .
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4416 posts, RR: 75 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9637 times:
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 5): ORD never gets the 777 from AF, that I have seen since I worked here.
ORD is one of the weaker performers in the Air France transatlantic network. The flight does currently not even operate daily, and Air France now sends regularly the A332, its smallest longhaul aircraft, to ORD, whereas the flight used to be always with A343.
Quoting Mk777 (Reply 11): Once converted, what will DEL see next winter, i know in the summer it gets A343.
I would venture to guess that DEL might get one of the two class B744s. A swap with YYZ looks likely and so DEL would then get the B744 whereas YYZ would get the A343 for the winter. The extra B744 capacity is coming from the COI network, where 3 additional 2-class B77Ws are about to join the fleet and the surplus B744 capacity will then be reconfigured to the AF mainline standards, and used on such routes as YYZ and ATL for the summer.
Quoting 707437 (Reply 12): Their newer 773's have two configurations a typical longhaul layout 310 seats and a rather high density layout with a seat count that A340 will never even touch. . .472 seats!
Those high density B77Ws are based at ORY and are only used for traditional holiday destinations in the Caribbean and Indian Ocean. Currently, the 2-class B77W fleet consists of 4 frames, but 3 additional aircraft will be added shortly.
Mk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9491 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14): I would venture to guess that DEL might get one of the two class B744s. A swap with YYZ looks likely and so DEL would then get the B744 whereas YYZ would get the A343 for the winter.
How many 747 does AF operate right now? Don't you think DEL might start getting the 77W from winter 2007?
Aad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9490 times:
Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 10): Two 744, F-GISA and F-GISB, are still around with First class and operate to YUL and DEL with a config.: 13P / 58J (28 main deck + 30 Upper deck) / 324Y
Will be converted into freighters.
Wrong!
I was sitted in upper deck in Y. But the Y upperdeck have IFE, not the lower deck.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4416 posts, RR: 75 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9470 times:
Quoting Mk777 (Reply 15): How many 747 does AF operate right now? Don't you think DEL might start getting the 77W from winter 2007?
They operate 16 B744 pax aircraft right now. 9 are configured in the AF mainline 2-class layout, 2 remain in the old 3-class configuration and will be converted to freighters soon, and 5 more are in the so-called COI configuration with a limited 17-seat C-class section. These last 5 aircraft will gradually be reconfigured to the AF mainline standards as they are replaced by additional 2-class B77Ws.
As for DEL, I guess it is possible that AF would send a B77W over there as well, but it would make much more sense to decide once and for all whether DEL is gonna be a 2-class or a 3-class destination. As it goes, DEL operated 2-class in summer and right now 3-class in winter.
I was sitted in upper deck in Y. But the Y upperdeck have IFE, not the lower deck.
You are wrong. And if you flew in Y at the upper deck, you did not fly on F-GISA or F-GISB as these two aircraft are still in the old configuration with 30 Business Class at the U/D.
And as IberiaA319 mentionned, they are schedulled to leave the PAX fleet in 2007 and 2008 for conversion into full freighter, a third B744 being schedulled also for freighter conversion in 2009.
Concerning the PTV in Y at the upper deck, ALL the 14 reconfigured B744 have them . 3 a/c have them ALSO in Y on the main deck (F-GITJ, TH, TI ).
Mk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9293 times:
Mindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9246 times:
Hello,
Quoting Gmale72 (Reply 6): The 777 fleet are all being refitted with the new 3rd Generation Biz Seat over the course of the next few months
Do you know which of the AF B772 (or may be FLYSSC knows) are refitted with the 3rd generation of Business seats (vs the 2nd generation called NEV) ?
I know that F-GSPA/B/C and some others are already refitted with the NEV interior (2nd generation or seats). I will fly to PVG end of December and was wondering if i would be able to get a B772ER with the latest Biz seats !
Mindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9042 times:
25 Mindscape: Thank you Iberia 319 However I did a quick search in the database and found this : this Back to the initial topic, I agree with HB-IWC, that would be
26 Mk777: So IAD-CDG sees the newer version of B772ER??
27 IberiaA319: , you see the old config as well. However there are exceptions: Today AF0026/7, CDG-IAD was operated with a 777-300ER, F-GSQD, this one used normally
28 HB-IWC: Again, right now both flights are scheduled with the B772ER with old configuration. Of course, exceptions do occur now and then but that is what is s
29 Mk777: Well I am hoping for the B77W on Dec 31st!!!
30 HB-IWC: For now, both flights on that day are scheduled to be operated with a non reconfigured B772ER: AF028 CDG 10:15 IAD 12:50 772 P9 F9 A0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Z9
31 Mk777: What are all those alphabets and #s?? How abt AF 148 on Jan 1st??
32 FlySSC: Right. Not only AF should not withdraw any B777 from use, but you can expect AF will add more of them (probably -300ER ) in the close future as a rep
33 HB-IWC: I presume you are flying IAD-CDG-DEL on Dec31/Jan01, in which case this is the availability of your flights: AF039 IAD 16:55 CDG 06:20 772 P9 F9 A0 J
34 Lufthansa747: AF's standard availability there I see... F9 A0, Z9 O0
35 Mk777: thanks HB-IWC Are these seat availability in different classes?? P, J, A, Y, B, K H etc??? How abt AF147/AF028 on jan 16th for my return leg, oh btw y
36 HB-IWC: The letters represent the booking classes, with P/F/A standing for First Class (L'Espace Premiere), J/C/D/I/Z/O for Business Class (L'Espace Affaires)
37 Mindscape: Hello, HB-IWC, may I ask you the same type of information for the following flights (NEV or old config) : AF 116 on 12/23 AF 117 on 12/31 Thanks !
38 Goldorak: AFAIK, A343 is used in summer and A332 in winter. And I remember in 1996, they were using B742 ! After that, AF has even flew the route twice a day w
39 HB-IWC: Both flights are scheduled to operate with a B772ER in old configuration. Here is the availability overview: AF116 CDG 23:25 PVG 17:25 772 P9 F9 A9 J
41 Mk777: are the a/cs similar for dec 30th/dec31st for IAD-CDG-DEL??
42 HB-IWC: Yes, both days IAD CDG has a non reconfigured B772ER and CDG DEL a 3-class non reconfigured B744, but it seems that flights on 31Dec/01Jan are emptie
43 Mk777: thanks Nick. I was wondering if the extra leg room seats (next to doors) are pre assigned or do they assign them at check in??
44 HB-IWC: As far as I know, Air France never gives away those seats in advance, not even to its own Flying Blue Elite members. So, yes, it is all happening at
45 Mindscape: Thank you HB-IWC. It's a pitty to get the old configuration... i would have expected to see NEV1 or better NEV2 seats on PVG destination...
46 FlySSC: As I mentionned above, F-GSPC have them, and F-GSPU also. A total of 10 B772ER are now modified with the new configuration.
47 PurpleBox: Hi, I'm flying AF276 CDG-NRT on the 21st (B772ER) and AF277 NRT-CDG on the 31st (B773ER). What can I expect in Y, will there be PTV? PurpleBox.[Edited
48 Jouy31: Yes, for both the B772ER and the B773ER.
49 Mennix: Can anybody tell me, which C-Class I'll get on AF990 Dec. 23rd CDF-JNB and AF 995 Jan 5th JNB-CDG? Is it old, Nev1 or Nev 2? AF told me on the phone,
50 IberiaA319: NEV1, it will be a CDG based 777-300ER: Your loads, pretty packed on your way back..... AF990: P6 F6 R0 A3 J9 C9 D9 I9 Z9 Q0 Y9 B9 K9 H9 W9 T9 V9 L9
51 Mennix: Thanks Iberia, Nev1 ist still better than OTC. Some weeks ago C was fully booked, so I really hoped to get an upgrade ( Plat Elite with more than 150k
52 LY777: Can someone tell me the difference betwenn NEV1 and NEV2?Any picture to show the difference?
53 Mennix: Small update. I asked for a mileage upgrade. No chance. And than, at the gate, the big surprise. All three of us upgraded to F. NICE
54 UAL747-600: Here's a new Air France 300ER (F-GSQS) getting ready for delivery. Info courtesy of RobK (www.seattle-deliveries.com) and photo credit to Matt Cawby (
55 Lijnden: Aren't some of the old AF B772 that are leased going to Royal Brunei and will be replaced by a bunch of leased B773's.
56 Puck: NEV2 is a small upgrade to NEV1 forced when the NEV1 seat manufacturer went out of business. The new seats are similar in appearance but have a flatt
Sponsor Message: 
From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, 
From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4416 posts, 
From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 12 posts, 
From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, 
From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, 
From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
