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ONEWorld BA AA & Mileage Rules Trans Atlantic  
User currently offline707437 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

If I have a BA Exec Club account and I fly transatlantic on AA why can't I get the mileage on my BA account. . . (it is all ONEWORLD!)

Supposedly this is some sort of monopoly rule . . .

Does anyone know what the real story is? Will this ever change?

Do STAR or SKYTEAM have restrictions like this?

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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Something due to anti-competition authorities in the USA being upset that the UK will not open up LHR to more carriers. BA is unwilling to give up slots. Has to due with open skies, Bermuda agreement etc. Star (is United the only Star carrier to fly across the Atlantic from LHR?) and Skyteam don't have the restrictions into LHR (or into Paris or Frankfurt where there are more flights allowed).

User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Because LHR is only open to 2 US carriers and BA AA are 2 of the only 4 carriers that are allowed to fly exLHR-USA. If BA/AA had ATI from the US you could get the mileage credit on your BA account.However that wont happen until there is openskies between the US and UK. If and when that happens, this rule will change. In the meantime Skyteam and Star Alliance are more liberal on this as the airlines and countries involved there have openskies with the USA.

User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

I am an AAdvantage member and I'm sure that this rule applies to all Oneworld frequent flyer schemes. I can collect American miles if I fly BA so long as it is not a route that both airlines fly. This is, as far as I know the same vice-versa.

I fly all the time from ORD to LHR - so I'm a victim of the rule and therefore I just stick to American.

Say I wanted to fly with BA to Dubai from LHR then I could collect miles for flying Oneworld on my AA account.

Hope I answered your question.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20501 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Briefly stated, it was something BA and AA worked out under strong government pressure related to their joint US-UK market share, over which they could have been considered a "de facto monopoly" and subjected to anti-trust regulation if they aligned too closely. While no government "required" this of them (since no immunity has been issued), it has to do with their decade or more of on and off again applications for anti-trust immunity.

There's a lot of information on both the web and a.net in the archives about this. It has nothing at all to do with stealing passengers from each other, in fact, they'd like closer cooperation.

In addition to the mileage earning restrictions, AAdvantage members may not redeem miles for transportation on BA flights between the US and the UK.

There are a few exceptions to this self-implemented rule, where there are a couple of codeshares not involving flights in/out of LHR.



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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Quoting 707437 (Thread starter):
Do STAR or SKYTEAM have restrictions like this?

No restrictions for SkyTeam. An an NW PE I can fly on any SkyTeam Airline TATL flight and get the EQM (in some cases EQS too). Most of the time I'd get 100% EQM, there are inly a few exceptions like CO or OK lower fares, where I'd get 50% EQM.



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User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

I thought there were a few routes that weren't affected - like the JFK-MAN BA flight, or AA's old flight between ORD-GLA.

BA flights to Canada aren't affected by this rule, are they? I know you can use AA miles to fly BA through Canada - some would argue it's worth the stop for the full-flat bed compared to AA's product.


User currently offline707437 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

OK thanks for the info since LHR is basically BA's own slot restricted pseudo-monopoly then I see why the rule exists. . .

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20501 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting Willyj (Reply 6):
I thought there were a few routes that weren't affected - like the JFK-MAN BA flight

As I noted above, there are a few exceptions. BA codeshares on AA's ORD-MAN and BOS-MAN service, and AA codeshares on BA's JFK-MAN service.

Quoting Willyj (Reply 6):
BA flights to Canada aren't affected by this rule, are they?

No, they aren't. Nor are BA's flights between the UK and Mexico.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

So if I fly BA DTW-LHR, could I get AA miles since it's not a route that AA flies? Or is it only certain TATL routes that are exempt from the rule?


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20501 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
So if I fly BA DTW-LHR, could I get AA miles since it's not a route that AA flies?

No, the rule is so simple, it fits into one sentence:

http://www.aa.com/apps/AAdvantage/Vi...scriptor=AAdvantagePartnersContent

"British Airways' transatlantic flights to/from the U.S. are not valid for AAdvantage mileage accrual or redemption."

You may earn miles on BA's JFK-MAN flight ONLY if you fly it under AA's flight number.



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User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Part of the issue was that AA had concerns that AAdvantage members would choose to fly BA t/a if they could still collect AA miles. Towards the beginning of oneworld BA were perceived to have a superior First/Business service than AA. AA were quite happy that t/a flights were not part of the mileage accrual system.

C.



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User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
So if I fly BA DTW-LHR, could I get AA miles since it's not a route that AA flies? Or is it only certain TATL routes that are exempt from the rule?

As no other airline flies DTW-LHR BA has a monopoly on that route thus you can only earn mileage on BA.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20501 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 11):
Part of the issue was that AA had concerns that AAdvantage members would choose to fly BA t/a if they could still collect AA miles

Incorrect. They applied for anti-trust exemption a few times and then pulled away from it due to the restrictions it would entail. As stated above, BA/AA would like better cooperation across the Atlantic.



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User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

There is, in fact openskies between all airports in the UK except LGW and LHR. Thus that is why you can earn mileage on MAN,GLA--USA etc.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20501 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 14):
There is, in fact openskies between all airports in the UK except LGW and LHR. Thus that is why you can earn mileage on MAN,GLA--USA etc.

Again:

"British Airways' transatlantic flights to/from the U.S. are not valid for AAdvantage mileage accrual or redemption."



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
"British Airways' transatlantic flights to/from the U.S. are not valid for AAdvantage mileage accrual or redemption."

Thanks, AeroWesty. It has always confused me... I guess it shouldn't have.



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User currently offlineVirginia From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4188 times:

Quoting 707437 (Thread starter):
If I have a BA Exec Club account and I fly transatlantic on AA why can't I get the mileage on my BA account. . . (it is all ONEWORLD!)

Just one advise, take both FF cards and accrual miles when flying one of the participating airlines.
Call AA that you want to go for Gold or Platinum challenge.

Virginia


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 3):
I am an AAdvantage member and I'm sure that this rule applies to all Oneworld frequent flyer schemes. I can collect American miles if I fly BA so long as it is not a route that both airlines fly. This is, as far as I know the same vice-versa.

I flew EI JFK-DUB over a year ago and got credited miles on AAdvantage.

Cheers,
Coal



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

More information on earning mileage on BA-operated services. You *can* earn AAdvantage mileage on the BA flight MAN-JFK.

Quote:
from https://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/c...artners/BA_Codeshare_Partner.jhtml:

Mileage Accrual:
Earn miles on American Airlines codeshare flights (including transatlantic flights) operated by British Airways and BA Connect. Your ticket must reflect an "AA"-coded flight number. Just provide your AAdvantage number when you make your reservations or when you check in for your flight.

Please note: You can also earn miles on eligible British Airways flights when your ticket reflects a "BA"-coded flight number. However, the amount of miles may differ from the amount earned when ticketed on an "AA"-coded flight number, depending upon the fare class purchased. Also, British Airways transatlantic flights to/from the U.S. are not eligible for mileage accrual (unless ticketed on an "AA"-coded flight number).

So, book the MAN-JFK-MAN service as the AA codeshare, and you'll earn AA mileage. Simple!

[Edited 2006-12-11 14:40:07]

User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 18):
I flew EI JFK-DUB over a year ago and got credited miles on AAdvantage.

Firstly its only on BA flights that this happens on across the atlantic to the US and secondly DUB is not in London so this rule does not apply to this particular route.
Also if you wanted to use your miles to fly on a free ticket anywhere (I am AA customer and want to go F class across the atlantic- so BA of course!!) and you have to travel on ur carrier when it is possible (so no F class BA for me Sad)


User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

This rule lost BA my business.

I opted to fly AF ORD-CDG-MAA (WorldPerks) even though it was a little more expensive than BA on ORD-LHR-MAA. I hardly fly BA, so the ORD-LHR miles would be wasted. Also, trying to avoid connecting in LHR after hearing the many bad experiences.



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User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 11):Part of the issue was that AA had concerns that AAdvantage members would choose to fly BA t/a if they could still collect AA miles

Incorrect. They applied for anti-trust exemption a few times and then pulled away from it due to the restrictions it would entail. As stated above, BA/AA would like better cooperation across the Atlantic.

We'll have to agree to disagree. My information and understanding is that AA did have, and still has to some extent, the above concerns regarding the "earning oand burning" of AA miles on BA services.

C.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20501 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 22):
We'll have to agree to disagree.

Not a problem. I've had this discussion offline with a few people who agree that if it were so, AA would be looking at their codeshare with JL the same way, but they don't. AA is more than happy to codeshare with JL and welcome them into the oneworld alliance, even though many feel JL's service to be superior to AA's.



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 20):
Firstly its only on BA flights that this happens on across the atlantic to the US and secondly DUB is not in London so this rule does not apply to this particular route.
Also if you wanted to use your miles to fly on a free ticket anywhere (I am AA customer and want to go F class across the atlantic- so BA of course!!) and you have to travel on ur carrier when it is possible (so no F class BA for me )

That's the point I was trying to make  Yeah sure

In any case, that's one of the reasons I plan on using my remaining AAdvantage miles and switch to a *A carrier in the US (since now I am a member of KrisFlyer).

Cheers,
Coal



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