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EVA Air To Bombay!  
User currently offlineB773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

I think that the route of BOM-TPE will have a lot of competition with TG,SQ,CX,KE,China EAstern and many more .. What speaiclity does Eva Air have to win competiton over these airlines in their route and connections ! Why would a passenger want to take Eva Air over these Asian Carriers ? ( I dont mean Eva Air is bad, but I dont know if this decision of theirs is correct or no) What do you think ?

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User currently offlineB773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Eva Air is using their B747-400 also on this route.. do you think its worth it to use such a big aircraft on a newly introduced route !! I think they should make this route a one-stop route at either Beijing or HongKong (sin there is no BOM-HKG non stop or Jakarta) or use a smaller aircraft on this route .
The B 747-400 can be used to add an extra North American on Australian destination which has more traffic


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

It's actually Boeing 747-400COMBI, 272-seater.

Taiwan and India's bilateral agreement restricts to 300/seat per flight for Delhi and Mumbai.

Air India will codeshare on EVA as well as TPE-LAX/SFO. This is clearly a move to step in the may be lucrative India - US West Coast flight.


User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

And there's a large Indian community here in Taiwan -- especially software programmers  Smile CI's flights have, to all accounts, been very successful, despite their horrible departure times.


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User currently offlineWerkur767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
I think that the route of BOM-TPE will have a lot of competition with TG,SQ,CX,KE,China EAstern and many more .. What speaiclity does Eva Air have to win competiton over these airlines in their route and connections ! Why would a passenger want to take Eva Air over these Asian Carriers ? ( I dont mean Eva Air is bad, but I dont know if this decision of theirs is correct or no) What do you think ?

Because EVA Air has the newer fleet, good connections and 747-400 is on the route, i think the best on BOM-TPE or TPE-BOM. EVA has also cargo flights experienced and has the best structure for this route!

Regards.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 3):
despite their horrible departure times

The so-called horrible departure times allows the shortest connection time available from Trans-pacific or Trans-atlantic flight.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
What speaiclity does Eva Air have to win competiton over these airlines in their route and connections

Eva will win over all these connecting airlines simply because it's a direct flight. That's for the BOM-TPE or BOM-West coast market.

Where SQ/TG et.al will continue to win is from the other secondary cities they cover - like BLR, HYD, AMD, ATQ -> to TPE , since from those cities, it's better to stop over in SIN or BKK on your way to TPE rather than stop over in BOM.

For the India - US West coast, it's a 2 stop over situation in most cases due to the need to go from Indian city (say BLR) -> Asian hub (say SIN) -> Asian pacific city (say ICN) -> US West coast (say SFO).

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of business traffic between BOM and TPE. Even if there isn't there's plenty of India-US West coast traffic that will fill TPE airport and this flight.



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User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 596 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 2):
Air India will codeshare on EVA as well as TPE-LAX/SFO. This is clearly a move to step in the may be lucrative India - US West Coast flight.

Looks like a cool deal for AI and EVA, if they suceed in tapping more of the West Coast - India market. But arent there enough players in West Coast - India already, eg SQ, CX, TG and soon AI and Jet via China? Also does CI fly into India at all?


User currently offlineB773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

China Eastern flies BOM-PVG

User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting BigTom (Reply 7):
Also does CI fly into India at all?

5 weekly to Delhi.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

BR has very good BOM-YVR and BOM-LAX/SFO connections via TPE in both directions and these 3 are the main target markets to feed the BOM flight.

Other main targeted markets for BR on the BOM route are those pax bound for NRT and HKG via TPE.

The SEA flight has good inbound connections from BOM but 15 hr transit on the outbound in TPE!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

What Timings.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCX777Fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

The NRT pax should enjoy it. When I flew NRT-BOM on AI with stops in both Bangkok and Delhi (pax not allowed to de-plane) it was a long and exhausting flight. A quick hop down to TPE and then non-stop to BOM will be popular with the increasing number of tourists going to the South of India from Japan, and the increasing number of NRIs in Japan.

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 4310 times:

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
I think that the route of BOM-TPE will have a lot of competition with TG,SQ,CX,KE,China EAstern...

From what I see, EVA wil have nothing to worry about. Among the list of airlines that you mentioned, BR seems to be the only one flying directly from Mumbai to Taipei.

Come to think of it, China Eastern (MU) does not even fly to Taipei! They are actually based in Shanghai.

If their target audience if for US-bound trans-Pacific traffic from Mumbai, this also means less stop over where as the other airlines would have to go via their hub and an intermediate stop along the way across ther ocean.

So is there a cause for worry, not from what i can see.



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 4268 times:

The city name is Mumbai & not Bombay.

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
I think that the route of BOM-TPE will have a lot of competition with TG,SQ,CX,KE,China EAstern and many more ..

If connection times between Mumbai & US west coast cities are convenient, its going to be huge plus for EVA.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
EVA Air To Bombay!

Er...the city was renamed to Mumbai quite a few years back....just FYI....


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 13):
Come to think of it, China Eastern (MU) does not even fly to Taipei! They are actually based in Shanghai.

but with same mission, to scoop a share in the India - US West Coast traffic.


User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 2):
This is clearly a move to step in the may be lucrative India - US West Coast flight.

Making it a one-stop is certainly something they'll have the upper hand on compared to the other Asian carriers servicing India to the US West Coast. All though, I'll probably still root for the 4 segment route from the US to back home (IAH-LAX-HKG-SIN-MAA)  silly  But I think most economy flyers will still choose the cheapest option even if it has more enroute stops.



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User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting Jammin (Reply 17):
Making it a one-stop is certainly something they'll have the upper hand on compared to the other Asian carriers servicing India to the US West Coast. All though, I'll probably still root for the 4 segment route from the US to back home (IAH-LAX-HKG-SIN-MAA) silly But I think most economy flyers will still choose the cheapest option even if it has more enroute stops.

One MAJOR advantage BR will have, is connection time, 2 hours each direction.

Going to BOM from SFO/LAX, the other faster one-stop options are through NRT, ICN, and PEK, NRT (JL) is more expensive (if not much more), KE and CA don't fly to BOM. For those willing to spend a little more, passengers can fly Deluxe all the way to BOM. Yes, they're available on SQ and TG too, but they're more expensive and the connection times are terrible at BKK (BOM flight doesn't leave til evening). Pricing out Deluxe (Premium Economy) LAX-BOM online, it comes out $1323, is this a good deal? Else the regular economy is $1084, I don't think you can save much more from other carriers with much longer layovers and detours.

I just booked my ticket, for the first time, the mid day flight BR011 is more expensive than the red eye flights BR015 and BR001.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 18):
I just booked my ticket, for the first time, the mid day flight BR011 is more expensive than the red eye flights BR015 and BR001.

That's because the lowest class of service is all sold out.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 18):
Going to BOM from SFO/LAX, the other faster one-stop options are through NRT, ICN, and PEK, NRT (JL) is more expensive (if not much more)

Not necessarily. Taiwanese carrier are known for bargain hunters. CX, JL, SQ...etc are known for top notch quality, sorry to say.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 18):
KE and CA don't fly to BOM.

Korean Air flies to Mumbai, Air China is planning BOM service

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 18):
Yes, they're available on SQ and TG too, but they're more expensive and the connection times are terrible at BKK (BOM flight doesn't leave til evening).

Keep in mind, the Indians living abroad have the spending power, yes the flights are expensive, but given particularly SQ flies to more destinations and frequencies than EVA, SQ still can maintain its market leader in this territory.


User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 19):
That's because the lowest class of service is all sold out

I'm only flying Deluxe, and I was given the prices between dif flights. Currently, the Economy class is more expensive than Deluxe (for some strange reason) to BOM.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 19):
Not necessarily. Taiwanese carrier are known for bargain hunters. CX, JL, SQ...etc are known for top notch quality, sorry to say.

Well aware of that, which is also BR/CI's selling point, on the other hand, for those not wanting to fly economy class, I highly recommend either BR's (Deluxe and Business) and CI's (Business) upper classes, which in many cases cost just a little more than SQ/CX/JL's economy. The extra space works out better than prestige and better services. ie, flying CX LAX-HKG on C/J will cost over $5000, you can save at least $2000 flying with BR through TPE.

For the SAME, VERY reason, I DO NOT fly economy on BR and CI across the pacific (short hauls, regionals are quite OK, really), it's almost, always packed to the gill.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 19):
Korean Air flies to Mumbai, Air China is planning BOM service

I couldn't find KE's time table and thought the route is discontinued (Their connection time 3 pm would require earl dept from LAX), however, if CA joins the fray with convenient connection times and competitive fares, it might affect KE.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 19):
Keep in mind, the Indians living abroad have the spending power, yes the flights are expensive, but given particularly SQ flies to more destinations and frequencies than EVA, SQ still can maintain its market leader in this territory.

Correct, there're people who are almost religious to SQ (my cousin included) and won't fly with anyone else. It seems today, so many airlines want to serve India, where does the airport come up with the slots? Do they just keep the airport running for 24 hours and create slots during early A.M.?


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 20):
I'm only flying Deluxe, and I was given the prices between dif flights. Currently, the Economy class is more expensive than Deluxe (for some strange reason) to BOM.

It's not strange, because sometime the lowest in Elite/Evergreen Deluxe is cheaper than highest economy fare.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 20):

Well aware of that, which is also BR/CI's selling point, on the other hand, for those not wanting to fly economy class, I highly recommend either BR's (Deluxe and Business) and CI's (Business) upper classes, which in many cases cost just a little more than SQ/CX/JL's economy

Question is, why not stick with SQ/CX/JL when you virtually gets all the same service that a typical Elite/Evergreen Deluxe or CI business? Besides, SQ/CX/JL have top notch business class product than CI. (yes, CI won the best business in top 10)

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 20):
I couldn't find KE's time table and thought the route is discontinued (Their connection time 3 pm would require earl dept from LAX)

Korean Air flies 3 weekly 330 to Mumbai, which in both direction, guarantees connection to/from US West Coast (SEA, LAX, SFO, LAS, HNL, even JFK, YVR, YYZ) in under 3-4hours.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 20):
so many airlines want to serve India, where does the airport come up with the slots? Do they just keep the airport running for 24 hours and create slots during early A.M.?

Ask the expert from India  Wink


User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 21):
Question is, why not stick with SQ/CX/JL when you virtually gets all the same service that a typical Elite/Evergreen Deluxe or CI business? Besides, SQ/CX/JL have top notch business class product than CI. (yes, CI won the best business in top 10)

Answer is, space. SQ/CX/JL C/J cost a lot more, many travellers just want extra leg rooms and don't mind the services.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 21):
Quoting Vincewy (Reply 20):
so many airlines want to serve India, where does the airport come up with the slots? Do they just keep the airport running for 24 hours and create slots during early A.M.?
Ask the expert from India

They do run the major airports 24/7 if demand is there.


User currently offlineKiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Quoting BigTom (Reply 7):
But arent there enough players in West Coast - India already, eg SQ, CX, TG and soon AI and Jet via China?

Given the phenomenal growth in India's GDP and in the aviation sector, and its increasing ties with the U.S., I don't think the appetite for flights to the U.S. has been exhausted.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 20):
Correct, there're people who are almost religious to SQ (my cousin included) and won't fly with anyone else.

This is changing. SQs impression within India has taken a beating off late. SQ does well because of its connections to secondary cities in India.


25 Trex8 : how does CI get away with putting a 313 seat A333 on their flights? do either CI or BR have rights to fly from India onwards to say Europe?
26 Jimyvr : Probably they'll not sell those extra 13 seats. Taiwan was hoping to get the rights from India to Europe.
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