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Report: UAL Could Bid On Delta Or Continental  
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12881 times:

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Stor...e=blq%2Fyhoo&dist=yhoo&siteid=yhoo

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Shares of Continental climbed by nearly 8% after Benchmark Co. analyst Helane Becker suggested UAL Corp. could launch a bid for Delta Air Lines Inc. or announce a merger with Continental.

The feeding frenzy has most definitely begun. This would also suggest that regardless of whether US gets DL or not, Your Delta might not be staying Your Delta much longer.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12852 times:

There definitely is the possibility of some carriers merging. I doubt there won't be another large merger.

UA would do more of a takeover of DL, but UA does not have the financial assets for CO. UA and CO have about the same value based on market cap, so it would be very difficult for UA to buyout CO, but rather the two companies could evenly merge, but retain the stronger United brand.



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12843 times:

CO is the only one of the two that makes sense.

User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12818 times:

I'm still waiting to see that CO/ AS merger (won't happen).

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
The feeding frenzy has most definitely begun

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12800 times:

I am a big proponent of a CO/UA merger. I think it makes sense and bridges together two very, very strong route networks.

United's domestic network and Asian routes are perfect for CO's strong position in Europe and to Latin America. I would imagine that having UA aboard will help them strengthen to South America, too.

NS


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12778 times:

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the DL-UA combination in terms of hubs, but it will never fly given the size of the two airlines and the resultant opposition of the DOJ/DOT. CO-UA has always been in my mind the best combination.


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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12726 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 2):
CO is the only one of the two that makes sense.

Because of United history of competing on such a nasty, unprofessional level with Continental, I just don't see that one happening with United being the acquiring entity. I'd LOVE to see Continental acquire United and fire ever single manager that's been there for than 5 years.

United doesn't have the money to acquire Continental and I think Delta would pilots would make it very difficult to merge the two companies.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12691 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 5):
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the DL-UA combination in terms of hubs, but it will never fly given the size of the two airlines and the resultant opposition of the DOJ/DOT

I doubt that would be a significant problem.

IMO, the notion that the DOJ is "anti-merger" is a misconception. They did, after all, allow the formation of the world's single largest carrier via the AA/TWA merger.

[Edited 2006-12-11 22:07:49]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12618 times:

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 3):
I'm still waiting to see that CO/ AS merger (won't happen).

If CO want to protect themselves, buying out AS might be a smart move. It makes CO that much larger and harder to buy out without permission. But AS doesn't offer any international expansion for CO beyond Mexico.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12575 times:

Don't forget, CO can't be bought unless NW says it can.


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12425 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
IMO, the notion that the DOJ is "anti-merger" is a misconception. They did, after all, allow the formation of the world's single largest carrier via the AA/TWA merger.

True, they surpassed UA in size. Hey, I suppose this is why the DOJ shot down the US-UA merger proposal in 2000 - because it would have become too big, providing that UA was already the largest carrier?

Regarding the largest carrier, AA, I don't think they'll hitch up with anybody. CO and DL I think want to go it alone, DL especially as they have emphatically stated they do NOT want to merge with US. UA has already been argued to not be able to afford to acquire anyone. The only airline left to merge is NW, and they said pretty much that they'll consider that if they absolutely have to... US does not want NW (and I think that US should focus on completing the deal with HP before anything else), so who would NW merge with???



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12334 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
IMO, the notion that the DOJ is "anti-merger" is a misconception. They did, after all, allow the formation of the world's single largest carrier via the AA/TWA merger.

TWA was a shell of its former self at that point. DL is a lot bigger AFAIK. A merger between two of the largest three airlines in the US seems unlikely to pass muster to me, but then again maybe it won't be a problem given the lack of hub overlap anywhere except NYC.



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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12293 times:

Ah, yes...the annual airline merger frenzy...as predictable as the return of the swallows to Capistrano  smile 

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12269 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
IMO, the notion that the DOJ is "anti-merger" is a misconception. They did, after all, allow the formation of the world's single largest carrier via the AA/TWA merger.

TW was in bankruptcy. That's the only reason the merger was approved.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 10):
Regarding the largest carrier, AA, I don't think they'll hitch up with anybody.

Northwest. AA has to stay competitive with what DL and UA do, or they perish.

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
The feeding frenzy has most definitely begun.

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User currently offlinePanAm747LHR From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12250 times:

Frankly, the only way that a UA/CO merger (or any take-over bid) would work is if CO were to make the bid, which I don't see happening any time soon. NW currently retains a "golden share" of CO stock, meaning that in order for another airline to be able to buy CO's assests, NW would have to agree to the sale. I can guarantee you that NW is not going to agree to the creation of a mega-competitor, such as a UA/CO company. That said, CO does not need NW's approval to make a bid for another airline. Therefore, the only way I see a CO merger happening is if CO makes the bid. If UA were to make a bid for CO, it would be shot down by NW.
On a more personal note, I quite like our company the way it is. CO has done very well the past few years, coming up with a business formula that has served the company well. CO is healthy and growing, and I would like to see an independant CO continue to do so. The reality of the airline industry may have other things in store, but I do hope that we continue to fly solo for the time being...

Nick


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2103 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12184 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 11):
A merger between two of the largest three airlines in the US seems unlikely to pass muster to me

I have to agree with that statement.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12182 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
United doesn't have the money to acquire Continental and I think Delta would pilots would make it very difficult to merge the two companies.

You seem very confident in that statement...I would not be so sure. many financial institutions would IMHO line up to offer the money for UA to do a deal!


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12045 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
buying out AS might be a smart move. It makes CO that much larger and harder to buy out without permission. But AS doesn't offer any international expansion for CO beyond Mexico.

CO merging with AS would give them an oppurtunity to develop Seattle into a West Coast EWR, the 787 could open alot of routes for the combined carriers from SEA to China, Japan, Europe and India (Bangalore is within the 787s range from SEA).



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12047 times:

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 14):
NW currently retains a "golden share" of CO stock, meaning that in order for another airline to be able to buy CO's assests, NW would have to agree to the sale.

Just a question....being that NW is in Ch. 11, wouldn't they lose ownership of any and all shares of CO, as they would be sold/transferred to creditors to pay off outstanding claims.

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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12029 times:

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 14):
That said, CO does not need NW's approval to make a bid for another airline. Therefore, the only way I see a CO merger happening is if CO makes the bid. If UA were to make a bid for CO, it would be shot down by NW.

Northwest has control either way. The agreement between NW and CO states "a change of control shall mean any merger,reorganization,share exchange, consolidation,business combination, recapitalization, liquidation, dissolution or similar transaction." involving CO must be approved by NW.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12025 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 16):
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
United doesn't have the money to acquire Continental and I think Delta would pilots would make it very difficult to merge the two companies.

You seem very confident in that statement...I would not be so sure.

You are correct. This is my opinion. I lay no claim to inside information about United's finances and access to the capital markets.

But I do know that there is a lot of protection for Delta pilots in their current contract. I imagine they could block any merger proposal. Delta's corporate culture always considered itself superior to United's. I would be extremely surprised if the pilot group would allow this to go through.



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User currently offlineWingnut767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 12009 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 4):
am a big proponent of a CO/UA merger. I think it makes sense and bridges together two very, very strong route networks.

United's domestic network and Asian routes are perfect for CO's strong position in Europe and to Latin America. I would imagine that having UA aboard will help them strengthen to South America, too.

As an employee of CAL we have no desire to join with the archaic dinosaur that is UAL

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
Because of United history of competing on such a nasty, unprofessional level with Continental, I just don't see that one happening with United being the acquiring entity. I'd LOVE to see Continental acquire United and fire ever single manager that's been there for than 5 years

Cal has had the best business plan of all the majors. It is working so far so why would we want to join with UAL?


User currently offlineB737900er From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11978 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
Because of United history of competing on such a nasty, unprofessional level with Continental, I just don't see that one happening with United being the acquiring entity.

United people and Continental people hate each other. It would be a messy, messy integration

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 14):
If UA were to make a bid for CO, it would be shot down by NW.

Or CO would ask NW to shoot it down and do everything in it's power to stop a takeover.

CO will not merge unless forced to do so, and only to increase it's network. AS would do this sufficiently, they would have a large west coast presence and could and would make SEA and asian EWR


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11969 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 18):
Just a question....being that NW is in Ch. 11, wouldn't they lose ownership of any and all shares of CO, as they would be sold/transferred to creditors to pay off outstanding claims.

You're confusing Chapter 11 with Chapter 7.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11966 times:
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Quoting Wingnut767 (Reply 21):
Cal has had the best business plan of all the majors. It is working so far so why would we want to join with UAL?

Because UAL's basic network structure is a jewel (probably the best of all the legacies); they just haven't done a very good job of fully leveraging or developing it in the past few years. In the right hands, it can be developed into an all-around powerhouse US flag carrier.


25 Terryb99 : I keep reading posts saying, "XX does not have the money to buy XX". It does not matter how much money a given company has in the bank. What matters,
26 Srbmod : With the big names in the private equity investment industry (Texas Pacific, Apollo Management, KKR, etc.) flush with cash, they're be the ones getti
27 Wingnut767 : I am not doubting the route structures, it is the integration of Unions and employees that will not go well. Also the Aircraft are not compatible. No
28 CO767FA : And the stronger CO paint scheme; management; contracts and just about everything else. Only the UA name might remain, but then everything else would
29 WorldTraveler : UAL doesn't have the financial strength to acquire any other airline; they have the highest debt levels in the industry. Any banker that loans anythi
30 Post contains images B737900er : Nobody CO has said time and time again all they want is LHR access. Get LHR and Open skies arguments go away, get LHR and foreign ownership objection
31 Gigneil : Same tired refrains 1) The employees don't want to merge. SO WHAT? 2) They don't have enough cash and can't get it. HIDE AND WATCH THEM 3) Their fleet
32 CO767FA : Damn employees....if we could only get robots to do it all; then there would be no talking back (only logical discord); no need for holiday's off; no
33 Gigneil : We'd be fine if employees acted like professionals. Their personal feelings about United or anything else should be irrelevant. Its work. These are ne
34 Werkur767 : I agree with Boeing 7E7, CO is make sense, because they are in good situation. DL stilll with big debts, so is not sense. XX to buy another XX, only
35 Gigneil : They've done a GREAT job over there. The airline is making money, and Wall Street has rewarded them handsomely for it. NS
36 Justloveplanes : I disagree. I think a CO/UA merger would be welcomed if presented as a necessity to compete globally, which I think is a valid point. There are highl
37 LAXdude1023 : Thats a stupid observation. Megers need to be a collective effort. Not just a benifit for the shareholders but a screw in the backside for the rest o
38 CO767FA : Now that is an original statement! I say old chap.... it is the Internet and people are free to voice their opinions, just like you have done; but th
39 Gigneil : My company leads our industry in growth and diversification via merger and acquisition. We've acquired some 30 companies in the 2000s alone. It solidi
40 TL8490 : I keep reading where you are applauding the results at US/HP...at this point in the business cycle any company who had been through 2 or 3 bankrupcie
41 B737900er : No business is like airline business. And you can't compare a normal industry to the airlines. Unless you work in this industry and have firsthand kn
42 CO767FA : And the airline culture is all about seniority; that is what most of us worry about. No matter how "senior" you are with in the respective employee g
43 Jfk777 : UA and CO would make a great airline. But then so would DL and UA, with Atlanta, Chicago, Salt Lake City, CVG, IAD, LAX, SFO and JFK that would make a
44 CO767FA : No, DL is the belle of the BK carriers available for purchase. I think DL/UA would mean the end of SLC. Which name would be retained?
45 Steeler83 : I fully agree with Gigneli here! The airline, pre-HP, sucked big time. It was a mess, losses mounting, poor goals set. The first time thru bk didn't
46 Sac : I am guessing your company is not seniority based or unionized. When your life revolves around seniority, a merger is a big deal to the employees. It
47 ER757 : I've been through no less than six mergers/aquisitions at the company where I work and while much of what you say is true - let's not overlook the do
48 Post contains images B777-700 : I noticed 'bend over and take it up the tail pipe when a crappier company wants to take over the one you've worked so hard to give a good reputation
49 LAXdude1023 : Very well said, my friend from PIT. US still has alot to swallow before they bite off more. US and DL both have indeed come along way from where they
50 Halls120 : You might not like the statement, but it is accurate. And the fact that you worry most about seniority illustrates why legacy airlines are in the sta
51 CroCop : Very well said. Gordon Bafune got that little riff started in the late 90's early 2000's
52 CO767FA : No, it tiresome and over used. Oh, Jetblue, Frontier etc....don't use it? BA, AF, EZ etc...they don't use it? So how long do you think the average ai
53 CO767FA : Nope UA got it started in DEN when they had their T-O-R-Q-U-E campaign.
54 Annoyedfa : You must be kidding right? When i think of UAL I think of well.... $hit.... They are a worthless broke airline that can still barely scratch out a fu
55 FCYTravis : The game is afoot. If the US bid for Delta does nothing else, it has already accomplished its mission - put everyone and everything in play.
56 Halls120 : Virtually every business uses some form of seniority. The issue is, however, does seniority trump common sense. In many industries - steel, autos, le
57 CO767FA : So you have no empathy for frontline airline employees? emergency room nurses/doctors? firemen? policemen? EMT/ParaMedic?
58 Wingnut767 : Making money on the backs of employees who had to take massive pay cuts and layoffs. Damn those thoughtless selfish employees wanting to amke a livin
59 Gigneil : Pay cuts and layoffs or no company. Its pretty easy. NS
60 Halls120 : In every one of those professions, holiday and weekend work is part of the bargain. I spent 21 years in he military, so don't try to get me to whine
61 COewrAAtysAZ : Like I've said in the past, the route structures are very complementary. BUT the reason why so many mergers and alliances fail is because companies ar
62 Wingnut767 : Do not forget the B747's, A320's and many configurations means more money. Plus the older fleet that will need to replaced sooner. It is easy for som
63 Gigneil : The fleets are HUGE. They can be independently maintained with no problem. You're not qualified to say that. That's the thing. You're not an executiv
64 CO767FA : Who asked you to whine about the military....but if you feel compelled...by all means, feel free to do so on a military forum. Ask you daughter if an
65 Halls120 : When my daughter no longer wants to deal with the weekend and holiday shifts that go along with being a clinical floor nurse, she will find another j
66 CO767FA : Spoken by a true outsider. Maintaining a fleet of planes that are different is huge; why do you think CO narrowed its fleet to bascially 3 types (737
67 FlyHoss : You're not the only one that remembers UAL's T.O.R.Q.U.E. campaign against CO. I recall DEN UA personnel standing in front of CO's ticket counter ask
68 777fan : If NW and CO are such wonderful bedfellows, perhaps they should merge! Imagine that hellacious fleet: newer A319s and A330s meet newer 73Xs, 777s and
69 Wingnut767 : You have no clue if you think that it is easy or cost efficient to maintain multiple fleet types with multiple configurations. And you are qualified?
70 Post contains images SBN580 : Don't you mean merger rumor thread? Here at A.net it seems to be a weekly thing not annual. It kind of exhausts you after awhile. Perhaps Johan and c
71 Wingnut767 : Spoken like a true pinhead exec. Or the Union execs trying to save there payroll.
72 Wingnut767 : Also ask the employees of Eastern, Pan Am, TWA and Indie Air how qualified the executives were at those companies. I am sure they all new the ramific
73 Jetdeltamsy : Oh no. United bashing Continental was rampant in the 1980's, way before Gordon. Continental was teetering on the verge of a shutdown for a couple of
74 USPIT10L : Wow. I'm really amazed CO got through their first bankruptcy then. I read in Hard Landing, by Thomas Petzinger, Jr, that all UA had to do to put CO o
75 WorldTraveler : DL will emerge frm BK w/ half the debts of UA. Why do you think DL is all of a sudden the hottest takeover target? because they have the lowest costs
76 Steeler83 : Thank you much I am not too sure about my stance on the last bit there. I think it will do fine if in fact it goes through, but it certainly is not n
77 Max Q : 'United is the stronger brand name' That may no longer be true, I have no problem with UAL, they do an ok job, quality wise, however there is no compa
78 Post contains images Wingspan : Gigneil, Thank you for illustrating your complete ignorance of the airline industry and its people in one concise thread, instead of your usual one l
79 ORD Boy 2 : theres an ua analyst meeting tommorow lets see what happens I would love to see UA buy either airlines personally but then you have to go through anti
80 COewrAAtysAZ : I tend to think that this is no longer true anymore either. Domestically, everyone knows the name Continental and United. United has an advantage in
81 Post contains images ULMFlyer : As a CO Elite member, the only good thing I can see coming out of a UA/CO merger would be access to Channel 9 Honestly, I'd hate to see Terminals C an
82 Ward86IND : Continental couldn't have anywhere near the hub they have at EWR. Taking over AS would give them a nice sized hub but they wouldn't really be able to
83 Logos : Of course anything can happen, but I tend to agree. When the two airlines shared a hub in Denver, United employees actively solicited already tickete
84 Bobnwa : What I wrote was a direct quote from the agreement between CO and NW. How is that for a source? Any deluding is being done by you.
85 SeeTheWorld : You clearly know nothing about branding and marketing. The fact is, the United name worldwide is very recognizable and it's one of the top airline br
86 Post contains images UAL777UK :
87 Steeler83 : How big is AS' SEA hub? I couldn't imagine it's too terribly big, maybe 200 daily flights tops. Yeah, even if CO did merge with AS and pick up a SEA
88 Wingnut767 : Which Airline do you work for???
89 Post contains images Ssides : I don't think DOJ approval will be too big a deal for any airline merger, unless it's AA-UA The DOJ may force the merged airline to sell off some rout
90 Freedom747 : U N I T E D DO NOT TRUST (personally) ever since the Mid-80s CEO days what was his name? HMMMMMMMMM some 8' 0" tall dude.......
91 USPIT10L : I would think Dick Ferris did way more to attempt to screw CO than the aformentioned Stephen Wolf, who for the record, 6'6" tall.
92 ORD Boy 2 : wingnut i read that off reuters im a college student and a ua college plus guy
93 COewrAAtysAZ : Are you sure that is a fact? The only way it could be a fact is if there was strong statistical evidence to prove this. My comment on this was pure s
94 Wingnut767 : ORDBoy I just do not like it when people outside the Industry and who do not work for these airlines talking about how they would like to see these m
95 COewrAAtysAZ : I've been listening to the broadcast on the internet... I don't think they are going to make any such announcement, today at least. If they do, it's g
96 ARGinLON : do you have a link?
97 Post contains links COewrAAtysAZ : go to www.united.com/ir and you'll find a link there.
98 Post contains links Panamair : Tilton already prefaced the whole presentation by saying that there was not going to be any dramatic announcement today - just the usual blah blah fr
99 Nuggetsyl : I totaly agree. I have been listening and they are not even answering the merger questions. The best one i heard was if you had a blank peice of pape
100 Charlienorth : dick Dick before he dicks you?? Much of the campaign against CO in the 80's was IAM and ALPA related because of the 1983 strike.
101 Rampart : I second that. I would like to see statistical evidence, and if it came from a study sponsored by UA, I also want to see a similar study conducted fo
102 Justloveplanes : Do you have a larger context for the agreement language? It is possible (but not certain) that change of control refers to CO not maintaining 51% con
103 CO767FA : CO is recognizable Worldwide....Please provide evidence (alot) that UA is a name that would dominate a merger. The source isn't the problem, your int
104 SESGDL : Anyone who thinks that UA isn't more known than CO is smoking something. AA without a doubt has the strongest brand name, but UA is a close second na
105 Logos : While I'll agree that certainly accounted for a lot of the enthusiasm that went into it's implementation (there was definitely moral outrage against
106 COewrAAtysAZ : As I and others have said... show us statistical proof. And no, the Big 6 in order, since that is basically what you just presented, is not proof tha
107 ARGinLON : You guys working for CO have a problem with accepting that the UA branding is way bigger than CO. What's the problem with accepting that? Being a prou
108 SESGDL : Just wait and see if some kind of merger occurs, and watch the CO name go bye bye. There will never be statistics, but for us airline folks it's comm
109 Post contains images UAL777UK :
110 COewrAAtysAZ : Just goes to show how flawed your thinking and rationales are... I myself am one of "us airline folks". If you couldn't plainly guess that one, what
111 Panamair : Same thing though if there were to be a UA-DL combination; the UA name will remain. Heck, UA even has a movie named after it (albeit under sad circum
112 Post contains images United777atGU : That would be SICK!!! WHEW!! Can I just dream for a second please, everyone?? I love domination (I know I know, it's not good competition, but hey, l
113 B737900er : If brand name is so important then where is Pan Am? TWA? Someone somewhere should have picked up those globally recognized names. At the end of the da
114 Rampart : All I have to say is, prove it. Prove anything. I've heard this so much, there must be some data somewhere. I've seen numerous threads and nobody can
115 Steeler83 : Then 106 years ago would've been the time of your life in that regard; everything was monopolized at that time. Thank heavens for a man by the name o
116 Copenhagenboy : Capitalism as is best, let the best winner take is all. Forget emotions abut a brand, it is only about, who will make the best profit. Same same in al
117 AADC10 : There are branding surveys that large companies monitor to keep track of their branding and marketing. The lists are not usually made public since hi
118 Post contains images Wingnut767 : To even compare Delta to Continental is ridiculous. CAL has been the best run major over the last 5-10 years with AA coming in second. The rest are n
119 COewrAAtysAZ : Excellent point!!!! As an employee, for me... there is a pride issue in the name of a company. I don't know if any of you other airline employees out
120 United777atGU : I know I know. But imagine--AA, UA, together. Sounds beautiful. Asia, Europe, Ctrl and South America, Africa--they would make it in there in a heartb
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Delta's Pilots Could Go On Strike posted Mon Nov 14 2005 17:32:43 by Alberchico
Can One Bid For First Or Biz Class On Hotwire, Etc posted Tue Aug 3 2004 15:00:42 by GSPSPOT
Delta BusElite Or Continental BusFirst For Intl? posted Mon Jan 12 2004 18:15:15 by Petazulu
Delta Or United? On BIL-PHX posted Tue Nov 13 2001 05:47:54 by Serge
Southwest Jumping On Delta Assets posted Tue Nov 21 2006 05:49:32 by ORDflier
Booking Same Day As Flying On FR Or EZY posted Tue Nov 14 2006 04:04:30 by Scouse
Satellite TV On Delta 757? posted Mon Nov 13 2006 09:01:58 by Copaair737
Dubai Could Bid For 20% Stake In Eads posted Thu Nov 9 2006 10:58:43 by Manni