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DL Begins JFK-ACC Today  
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

Does anyone know how initial loads are looking?

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10480

With tonight's addition, DL now has service to three African destinations. Good luck to them, and hopefully, there is yet more to come.

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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

yes, i wish them full planes...

cheers: DALelite



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User currently offlineN352SW From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5702 times:

Flight 166 JFK-ACC

+18 Business 767
-14 Economy Capacity 35/174

Flight 167 ACC-JFK

+26 Business 767
+65 Economy Capacity 35/174


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5646 times:
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Is it the 767-300 with the special habitat for Humanity paint job? That's the aircraft used for the ATL-JNB inaugural.

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

Just looked on the DL website--wow, that is one empty plane. I hope loads pick up on this route--seems like there should be a lot of demand.


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 4):
Just looked on the DL website--wow, that is one empty plane. I hope loads pick up on this route--seems like there should be a lot of demand.

Sometimes the web doesn't give completely accurate numbers.

Also, I remember when I first flew JFK-DXB-JFK with EK...the route had started only a few weeks prior and the plane was 1/2 empty (A345)....look at that route now.....3 flights per day with 2-direct...all in 2 1/2 years... spin 

Anyway, I hope DL does well on this route.. thumbsup 



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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Thread starter):
Just looked on the DL website--wow, that is one empty plane. I hope loads pick up on this route--seems like there should be a lot of demand.

I spoke to a DL spokesperson when I was covering the inaugural of the DKR/JNB route (see my earlier post re: Africa launch) and was told that *cargo* yields, as much or more so than pax yields, will be the big thing with Accra.



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 6):
was told that *cargo* yields

Totally agree with you, we got 6000euros worth of cheese stuck in amsterdam from paris to Accra cause KLM lack of space on their daily MD11. those where booked 4 weeks in advance and noted as perishables so they get priority, we tried to switch them to Cargolux and no availability. Now cheese been sitting there for almost a week. Now claiming on the insurance/airline. the week before we had to send them from paris to amsterdam then to to dubai then Accra.
Cargo space is much needed to ACC. especially now from JFK with traders and excess baggage thats where the money is not paying passengers.

I'll try and get a couple of pics of the inaugural flight



Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5438 times:
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Not knowing much on ACC what precautions do they have for the flight crews staying between flights? I am asking based on what I have read on this site and others.


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5383 times:
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Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 4):
Just looked on the DL website--wow, that is one empty plane. I hope loads pick up on this route--seems like there should be a lot of demand.

Which flight are you talking about and are you looking at the seat maps? The seatmaps don't usually tell the whole story. The 166 going to ACC is pretty full in Y the next few days from what I can see; the 167 coming back is light initially though.

Tonight's inaugural bookings had 18 open J seats and was overbooked by 14 in Y. Looks like it's going out with 13 open J seats and 20+ open in Y.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 6):

I spoke to a DL spokesperson when I was covering the inaugural of the DKR/JNB route (see my earlier post re: Africa launch) and was told that *cargo* yields, as much or more so than pax yields, will be the big thing with Accra.

If cargo is key, maybe UA could buy out DL, dump the 767 from that route and add a better cargo-carrying A330 to the route. stirthepot ...



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

i am in Accra almost every 2 month, it's a safe city just any other, however care must be taken and common sense

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 8):
Not knowing much on ACC what precautions do they have for the flight crews staying between flights? I am asking based on what I have read on this site and others.

Airport: New York (Kennedy), NY ACC
Scheduled Time: 5:15 PM, Dec 11 8:15 AM, Dec 12
Actual Time: 5:45 PM, Dec 11 (Estimated) 8:18 AM, Dec 12 (Estimated)
Status: Scheduled
A real-time map will be available after the scheduled departure time.
Equipment: 767
So far on time was hopping for an hour delay so i dont have to get up early



Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
The 166 going to ACC is pretty full in Y the next few days from what I can see; the 167 coming back is light initially though.

It's christmas season, many Ghanaians come back to Ghana to spend it with familly, majority of traffic is incoming traffic



Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

Typical loads on the first flights. The flight is packed for the next few weeks in Y however... Give it a week or two. JNB flights are still just warming up.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7616 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
If cargo is key, maybe UA could buy out DL, dump the 767 from that route and add a better cargo-carrying A330 to the route. ...

Except that UA doesnt have the A330.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
Which flight are you talking about and are you looking at the seat maps? The seatmaps don't usually tell the whole story. The 166 going to ACC is pretty full in Y the next few days from what I can see; the 167 coming back is light initially though.

Tonight's inaugural bookings had 18 open J seats and was overbooked by 14 in Y. Looks like it's going out with 13 open J seats and 20+ open in Y.

I thought I was looking at the 166 for tonight, but now I'm not so sure--it seemed to be less than half full in both classes, but perhaps in my haste I typed in the wrong date or something. Apologies if I got it wrong, and glad for Delta's sake that the actual load was heavier!



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 8):
Not knowing much on ACC what precautions do they have for the flight crews staying between flights? I am asking based on what I have read on this site and others.

As mentioned, Accra is a pretty safe city...one of the safest in West Africa, and probably one of the safest in all of Africa. Just don't do stuff you wouldn't do in New York, Paris, London, or Tokyo, and you will be just fine there usually.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):

Except that UA doesnt have the A330.

...apologies..my bad.. footinmouth  I meant US....



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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 3):
Is it the 767-300 with the special habitat for Humanity paint job? That's the aircraft used for the ATL-JNB inaugural.

Nope don't think so, I saw it this evening around 5PM in ATL.



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User currently offlineLouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

Thats great for Delta. Will make connections to West Africa a lot easier. I bet some European carriers are feeling a bit edgy right now.
Just checked flightview.com, the flights on-route. Congrats Delta.

[Edited 2006-12-12 02:21:09]


RyEng
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Usually flights start light anyhow. The word will get out, travel agents will sell more, and in time the flights will pick up, especially on a route like this, it should do fine.


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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

DL got ads in Accra on billboards almost in every district of Accra. in the airport alone i noticed 3 ads


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5163 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Amazing that it does this well considering that it is literally thousands of dollars more expensive in coach than North American and thousands of dollars more expensive each way in F than North American. Even given the difference in F products, the bottom line is that I could go F on North American for what DL wants for coach. Each in a 767-300ER.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 8):
Not knowing much on ACC what precautions do they have for the flight crews staying between flights? I am asking based on what I have read on this site and others.

Accra is arguably the safest major city in Africa, and the most modern outside of South Africa, and just as safe, if not safer, than most major US cities. Hence, it is no surprise Delta went for Accra. Combined that with a population base that is of above average wealth for the continent, and one that has a large ex-pat community in the the US, and it was a no brainer. Great to see Delta enter this market. I'm sure they will be very successful.



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User currently offlineLouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 22):
Amazing that it does this well considering that it is literally thousands of dollars more expensive in coach than North American and thousands of dollars more expensive each way in F than North American. Even given the difference in F products, the bottom line is that I could go F on North American for what DL wants for coach. Each in a 767-300ER.

Delta is a much better known airline than North American is. Their products are also quite different. People just feel better traveling on an airline that is better known.



RyEng
25 Dazed767 : Looks REALLY full going out wednesday as 166, that's crazy.
26 Soups : their turnaround time in Accra is very short considering the TONNES of caro to be loaded/offloaded in Accra. Flight left today with around 60min delay
27 ACVitale : Understand that Delta's 1st flight could not carry much cargo at all on the first flight. Even with the light passenger load they had to drop 12 tons
28 Panamair : Part of the problem is that there isn't very much wiggle room on the JFK end due to timing of the connection feeds. The departure of 5:15pm from JFK
29 Soups : How are the loads on the coming days?
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