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Commericial Flight - Photography Allowed?  
User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

This may be something that has been rehashed many times over but i'll ask it anyways...

On a scheduled commerical flight can you take photographs from the plane to the ground/air?

Is this actually against any regulations or whatnot?

Logic would make me think that people might get nervous about it but at the same time as long as one isn't taking pictures of the passengers or inside of the aircraft would anyone really care?

What about taking pictures out the windows the an airport terminal?

The reason i ask is i'm going to be taking United from Sea - Bos and as many many many times as i've been on commercial flights i never think to actually take pictures. But this time i'm going to try... just curious about the issues that might be presented to me.

Any input would be great. Thanks!

I'll be leaving Thursday...


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User currently offlineWerkur767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

In my recent flight from GRU to CWB, i made many pictures, inside and outside the plane, before and during the flight. including one photo of the cockpit. Was a GOL B737-322 PR-GLG, and the flight attendants and the crew on the cockpit treat me very well.
I posted the photos in an aviation website later, now the pictures is offline, but i don't see anything that can forbidden, even the security measures. Here in Brazil, flight attendants are welcomed photographers and are nothing against the pictures inside the planes. These measures includes the AA, UA, CO and DL, departing GRU, but i understand that there in US, for security measures can be forbiddem the photos.

One suggestion.....try to take the pictures, explain for flight attendants your intentions, including the cockpit crew.

Cheers,
Werner


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

I recently flew EZE-MAD-EZE on IB and I took loads of pictures both from the terminal at MAD and from the plane and I had no problem at all. In fact, I was sitting in the first eco row, so during take off and landing I had flight attendats sitting right in front of me and they said nothing. I don't know how severe they are in the US though. However, a friend of mine recently flew to and within the US (all with Delta) and he had no problems either.

Regrads  Smile



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User currently offlineComeflywithme From Argentina, joined Sep 2006, 265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

I think it's best not even to ask if it's okay especially on US carriers as they seem to be hyper sensitive.

Just snap away and nobody will even notice.  camera 


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Thanks all so far for the responses. Anyone from inside the US have first hand experience with this? I know the post-911 era has really messed with security. Anyone have explicit problems with people telling them to not take pictures?


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User currently offlineATCme From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 4):
Anyone have explicit problems with people telling them to not take pictures?

Nope, I just took pictures and nobody said anything. Just don't take pics of say, the security checkpoint, I don't think the TSA would like that. Also if you follow the strict: "anything that has an off switch must be off" interpretation, no pics during takeoff or landing.
I even have taken pics of the cockpit recently and the pilots don't mind, but I do always ask, just in case.

ATCme spin 



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting ATCme (Reply 5):
Also if you follow the strict: "anything that has an off switch must be off" interpretation, no pics during takeoff or landing.

yeah... i think some airlines interpret it differently because i think its actually only supposed to be anything that has a radio or transmitter in it... Because i can have my cell phone on (i asked about this actually) but it must be in "flight mode" so the radio's aren't running. So that being said i would assume i "could" use a camera during takeoff and landing. We'll see...

Anyone else in the US have an experience with this? good or bad... The last thing i want to do is cause trouble or make anyone uncomfortable so i won't be taking pictures of the inside or cockpit (though in Boston i might ask to take a shot after the plane is empty). I'll keep my lense pointed toward this wing/sky/ground.  Wink



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Take as many pictures as you want. People have been doing it since the birth of commercial aviation and there is no reason not too.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 6):
Because i can have my cell phone on (i asked about this actually) but it must be in "flight mode" so the radio's aren't running.

I was under the impression that the "flight mode" on mobile phones turned the phone of completely, including alarms and such. At least this was the feature on my old Siemens mobiles.



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 7):
I was under the impression that the "flight mode" on mobile phones turned the phone of completely, including alarms and such.

Well... that may have been true with the Seimens as they do tend to do things slightly oddball. (Wireless products has been my career untill being added to Boeing's 787 payroll.) Flight Mode is exactly that... it sets the device into a mode that it is still usable on an aircraft but will not disturb any of the avionics. It turns off the antenna, bluetooth, wifi, wimax, AM/FM radio's ect that are built into the phone. Some phones have multiple different profiles that include such things are disabling alarms, vibrator, ringers ect also.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 7):
Take as many pictures as you want.

I plan on doing so untill i'm asked to stop or i run out of xD/CF space... 3GB for a 6hr flight of 8MP pics... i should be OK.  Wink



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 8):
Flight Mode is exactly that... it sets the device into a mode that it is still usable on an aircraft but will not disturb any of the avionics. It turns off the antenna, bluetooth, wifi, wimax, AM/FM radio's ect that are built into the phone. Some phones have multiple different profiles that include such things are disabling alarms, vibrator, ringers ect also.

Good to know that.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 8):
I plan on doing so untill i'm asked to stop or i run out of xD/CF space... 3GB for a 6hr flight of 8MP pics... i should be OK.

Olympus Evolt E500?



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

All I know is that at the SBA webpage, they have a .pdf of a Film/Photo Permit. You can download it at www.flysba.com


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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 9):
Olympus Evolt E500?

Good guess... with 14-45mm and 40-150mm lenses.
I also will have my Samsung SC-D363 video cam. Its Mini-DV but i can get 16x9 good tv quality video on SD cards@1hr/GB (for Avi files) or record to the Mini-DV.



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User currently offlineSJUboeingGirl From Puerto Rico, joined Nov 2004, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

that's great to know, i'm also taking my camera with me on my flight from SJU to DUL and I plan to take LOTS of pics  Wink


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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 10):
All I know is that at the SBA webpage, they have a .pdf of a Film/Photo Permit. You can download it at www.flysba.com

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that permit is needed only for commercial filming on airport grounds and not for private filming/photography of commercial aircraft or the airport.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that permit is needed only for commercial filming on airport grounds and not for private filming/photography of commercial aircraft or the airport

That is questionable, by the looks at the permit, you would think that it would be commercial filming/photography but I do beleive it is for any filming/photography so you will not be questioned by airport/city officials. But you could be correct as well, that is just my stipulation from friends that have obtained the permit.



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User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

I know that at least one US airline, I think it's AA but I'm not sure, has the official position of: you can take pictures of your friends/family on the plane, you can take pictures out the window, but you can't take pictures where the 'point' of the picture is to photograph company property or employees.

Also, in 2004 or 2005, there was an incident where a guy on a flight was videotaping air-to-ground the whole way, and was asked to stop. He refused, and got in trouble.


User currently offlineKULatICT From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting Chase (Reply 15):
I know that at least one US airline, I think it's AA but I'm not sure, has the official position of: you can take pictures of your friends/family on the plane, you can take pictures out the window, but you can't take pictures where the 'point' of the picture is to photograph company property or employees.

on my recent flight on AA from NRT-DFW, the flight attendant not only won't mind me taking pictures of the suite first class seat, he even took my camera into the cockpit & snapped a few pictures of the pilots while we're flying at 35000ft over Seattle..so, i guess its all depends how 'anal' the flight personnel is on the flight


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5427 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 6):
yeah... i think some airlines interpret it differently because i think its actually only supposed to be anything that has a radio or transmitter in it... Because i can have my cell phone on (i asked about this actually) but it must be in "flight mode" so the radio's aren't running. So that being said i would assume i "could" use a camera during takeoff and landing. We'll see...

NO. You are confusing what's allowed during takeoff/landing with cruise flight.

- ALL electrical/electronic devices must be switched off during takeoff and landing (even cellphones in flight mode).
- You can use approved devices during cruise, which is your cellphone/PDA in 'flight mode'.
- Receivers/transmitters cannot be used at any time during flight.


Jimbo


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User currently offlinePhilV From Germany, joined Feb 2009, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

I think it all depends on the individual behaviour of the photographer.
If you take pictures like being mad, having a weird facial expression, I think you could get in trouble.  gnasher 

Playing the interested tourist would let you make interesting pictures.  Cool

Quote:
ALL electrical/electronic devices must be switched off during takeoff and landing

In my experience, most carriers have tolerated a Camera or an MP3 player during take-off or landing as long as mobile and notebook were switched off.


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting PhilV (Reply 18):
In my experience, most carriers have tolerated a Camera or an MP3 player during take-off or landing as long as mobile and notebook were switched off.

I've always used MP3 players (and i don't hide it, i have big headphones) and i have it sitting on my lap and no one has ever said boo. Thats on multiple different anylines too.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5427 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting PhilV (Reply 18):
In my experience, most carriers have tolerated a Camera or an MP3 player during take-off or landing as long as mobile and notebook were switched off.

Well, in the USA it's a Federal regulation, unless the captain specifically allows it for one specific flight (e.g. filming from flightdeck for TV).

It should be consistent so that F/A's aren't making technical decisions on whether MP3 player is OK in seat 2A, but PDA in seat 17B isn't.

.....and please let's not discuss whether it does or does not, or could, could not, cause any interference. We're talking regulations.

Jimbo



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 20):
It should be consistent so that F/A's aren't making technical decisions on whether MP3 player is OK in seat 2A, but PDA in seat 17B isn't.

Well obviously Seat 2A it shouldn't be cause its too close to the flight deck but it would be fine in 17B.  duck  j/k no need for flame...

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 20):
.....and please let's not discuss whether it does or does not, or could, could not, cause any interference. We're talking regulations.

No one brought it up till you did...



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