In the face of an imminent boycott of El Al, haredi businessmen in the US have expressed interest in setting up a haredi-owned airline, Rabbi Yitzhak Goldknoph, secretary of the Rabbinic Council for the Holiness of Shabbat, said Monday.
"The airline would fly the most popular haredi routes to the US and Europe," he said.
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3502 times:
An ideal aircraft would be the A380 that they could deploy to the US with a built in Synagogue. When promoting the A380 a few years ago to EL AL Airbus told LY that they would be able to integrate a Synagogue to the A380 if they wanted too. Now for that haredi airline this would be the perfect match
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3485 times:
When religion and business mix - what a mess...
Can we soon expect orthodox Hassidic women-only flights as well ?
Or hard-line Arab Shji'a flights with guaranteed no Sunni- passengers neither christian or Jewish?
This decision shows the absurdity of religious influence in every day life!
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3426 times:
Gee, maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but here's my prediction for this new airline:
The general public will "oooh" and "aaah" over the new "Jewish" competition for El Al. "It's about time somebody respected the Sabbath AND brings down fares - and I can't wait to try their on-board service!!"
But then reality will set in. The new airline, after a brief profitable introduction, will find that they are no longer "new meat" in town, and the novelty has worn off. Bookings will drop, and people will do what they always do - complain loudly about airline service in public, but vote with their pocketbooks. Eventually the airline will run out of funding and fold.
I am about as pro-Israel as a Christian can get, but even I take exception with a private company being forced to compete with the outside world with one hand tied behind its back. Unless the Israeli government is willing to supplement El Al with 1/7th of its operating costs (lost revenue from not flying on the sabbath), then they need to free it to operate as it sees fit.
And if El Al comes up with a profitability plan that lets it NOT operate on the Sabbath, then all the better. But until then, pay up or shut up, PLEASE!!
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TodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2768 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3279 times:
Quoting LXA340 (Reply 1): When promoting the A380 a few years ago to EL AL Airbus told LY that they would be able to integrate a Synagogue to the A380 if they wanted too.
It was for the A330/A340...the synagogue was to be in the belly of the planes...
BTW, in another thread I suggested LY should launch a "glatt" subsidiary for its ultra orthodox clientele.
I am quite sure that many of those who will stop flying LY now will come back in the future.....when they'll realize that flying LY was in the end more convenient for them; I'm not sure that "minyanim" (collective prayers) would be allowed aboard BA, CO or LX flights....and for sure, no one would get free flight change and hotel accomodation in case a small delay makes it impossible for a flight to arrive at destination before the start of Shabbat...
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2): This decision shows the absurdity of religious influence in every day life!
Absolutely, there should be no religious influence whatsoever.
I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
WJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3233 times:
All this is, is an attempt to drum up attention. The orthodox fly whatever airline is cheapest and fly to israel on CO, DL, BA, LH and even AeroSvit through Kiev. I wish Elal would stop paying so much attention to this, simply say "we are not a government airline, we are a business. we respect all religions but if you dont want to fly us, that is your choice. Whatever losses they had or will have by "upsetting" the othrodox market will be offset if they just start flying on Saturdays. For one, they will start being my choice. People forget that this whole mess was because of a labor strike that forced Elal to operate into the sabbath or risk stranding thousands worldwide. It was not a planned event. If the orthodox want their own airline, good luck, they can then fly it to the holocaust deniers convention in Teheran.
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3214 times:
they are a business, and they should work like one. If you don't like flights on the sabbath, voice that with your wallet and don't fly on it. It's stupid to tell an airline not to let anyone else fly then either. Being respectful of your customer base, offering Kosher meals and what not is smart and decent, but not flying on sabbath is too far. I mean, IFE on Etihad has Qur'an readings, and an arrow pointing to Mecca, and that's smart. Not flying one day of the week is not smart.
No one else on earth really expects to fly on an airline that is built entirely around their religious convictions. People should stop complaining. The other thing is - can you really run an airline that caters specifically just to Orthodox Jews? That is a fairly small group of people, it'd be roughly equivalent to an airline targeted just at Mormons that didn't serve alcohol of caffeine.
By all accounts, El Al is a decent airline, and a business, and they do what they need to do.
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