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Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up  
User currently offlineBritishmidland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Ok ok ... this has been a hot topic on the forums lately, Is Caledonian Wings legit, real, etc etc. Basically this is a call to Ceilidh to come here and clear anything up. We have heard from people from South Africa and Great Britain claiming to know Neil. I would like for Neil to tell us more about AfriCargo: ie how long it was operated, why the failure, who is "Vauxhall Cross/f_boot"? Why is SAS23 or whatever on this guys back? What is the real deal? And with all due respect to the parties involved in this ... COME CLEAN!!! you don't know us personally and your credibility is not at stake as we are just random people on the net.
I am sure people, including myself and a gentleman from Perth would like to know what is the deal with Caledonian Wings, and howcome when I read my SpeedNews everyweek I hear, see nothing about Caledonian Wings getting some DL L1011s, or that Caledonian Wings is negotiating with Delta or anyother airline for that matter. Now, Neil as you reply to this realize that "it was a personal call, only me and the CEO of XXX airline knew we were talking" BS. because you and I and everyone else knows that when Leo Mullin has an itchy nose people find out, I think it would be extremely difficult for news like "Scotland Start-up Negotiating to Assume Delta's L1011 Fleet for ACMI Operation". If this is legit, prove it. Show us scanned documents of something substantial ... anyone can make a website with Microsoft programs. Anyone can talk the talk, can you really walk the walk?! I am beginning to wonder, and as your credibility dwindles in the eyes of many .... as it did for that poor fool who had a naming contest for his Illinois Start-up "Endeavor".... seems that project never took off from Meigs in FS2000. It would be one thing if somewhere else on the internet there was relevant news regarding your supposed operation, but there is not.

Tell us all about you, about your people, about AfriCargo, about "vauxhall Cross / f_boot" and your connection with them, as well as SAS232 (or something), we need something to grab on, it is hard to grasp the concept of this airline when your posts are flawed with mal-information and malpractice. Of course a deal with an airline is going to end up failed ... when you have no aircraft.

Here is your slogan ... "For when you have nothing... Close your eyes we'll take you there .... Caledonian Wings"

Later
BD

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User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

What is this all about? I never once claimed to be starting an airline.

I don't even have the money to buy a proper lunch, let alone a fleet of L1011s from Delta!

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineBritishmidland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

not you dingleberry.

Neil Robertson! famed CEO of Caledonian Wings, the airline with its wings clipped or not grown or? well the darn airline just don't exist or never will due to Neil's inability to even remotely extend us the courtesy of telling us about it, instead of go to the website and read it. ahem bullsh!t (sorry kiddos) ... anyways .. neil ... WTF man? quit the line of bullshit and tell us the details.


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Clarification - you want it, you got it.

Africargo was simply the trading name for cargo operations that were conducted out of Burundi, where I was CEO of a regional carrier City Connexion Airlines (ICAO: CIX; IATA: G3/323). We leased in B707/IL76 aircraft from time to time. Originally, the plan was to operate out of South Africa with an ops base (for tax purposes) in Mauritius, but as anyone in the business will tell you, the yields went through the floor a couple of years back and it just wasn't going to work. I also own a significant share in the last two operational CL44s.

F_boot - someone best described as a cyberstalker both here and on PPRuNe - appears to be an ex employee of the CL44 operation, apparently fired for gross incompetency or for endangering the lives of the crew. I don't know who he is - and frankly I don't care. He has hijacked the PPRuNe identities of two (or more) posters on PPRuNe - HugMonster and Vauxhall Cross. (see http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/Forum41/HTML/001328.html)

As for reading about it in Speednews, there have been various items in the past; but under the previous project name Celtic Airways; together with articles in The Scotsman, The Independent and various other publications. (I'll email you some bits and pieces, if your email is in your profile). My intention had been to keep things fairly low profile, with simply an informative website for the trade and go with a major splash once the ducks are in a row; but F_boot's antics have rather let the cat out of the bag.

As you can appreciate with a global forum such as this, PR is of vital concern which is why I spend so much time having to repudiate the crap that is being thrown around - my personal pilosophy is that the proof of the pudding is in the eating: just wait for several L10s to arrive at PIK!

One thing I can assure you of is this. I have a first class management team put in place with many years of major airline experience - and we're doing our utmost to make sure it does work.


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

I see you don't have an email - you'll just have to email me. Mine is in my profile.

User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Neil

You can email me some of the "bits and pieces" you mention.

You have my email address

Cheers


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Scott - one such article has just been emailed to you.

User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

Josef - some words of advice, my friend. I know you're only a kid (your profile gives your age as 16-20), but if you want to get anywhere in this or any other business it isn't a good idea to be abusive with people - calling people you don't know "dingleberry" or claiming that other people's posts are "flawed with mal-information and malpractice" - without having the courtesy to give examples of points you're challenging (and incidentally I suggest you look up malpractice in the dictionary!) aren't the sort of things to endear you to others.

As you saw, you only had to ask the questions in a nice, calm, civilised manner and I answered them.

Easy, isn't it?      


User currently offlineAgrodemm From Greece, joined Apr 2000, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

Ceilidh : Just say , Caledonian is hiring ..... and half of the forum will start asking questions.......
Even kids, will start asking how they can become pilots...

I really can not understand why some people are always trying to undermine other's efforts.
As I have already stated in another topic..... it doesn't matter whether it is a VA or not. But as an effort it is great. 4/5 of the posts here, are just subjective comments that arise from pure emotions and our interest in Aviation.
Even if all these are fake, why do you critisize such a complete effort?

Regards,

The CFO  


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Hi Neil

You say

"just wait for several L10s to arrive at PIK! "

I'll be there. So will many others. When?

Scotty



User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Howdy

I really can not understand why some people are always trying to undermine other's efforts.

Undermine other's efforts? Excuse me, Neil decided to come onto this forum, and I have said all along before he came here, that I do not believe that this project is for real, and if it is for real, that it will last for long. Anyone can put out a press release, but only seeing the airline in operation and for more than a baby's fart will I be even remotely come to being made eat my words. If he does not want to be grilled maybe he shouldn't be here.

As I have already stated in another topic..... it doesn't matter whether it is a VA or not.

Ummm....yes it does. We have someone here who claims he is credible, and starting up an airline. If it is in fact a VA, then his credibility is shot up the a***

4/5 of the posts here, are just subjective comments that arise from pure emotions and our interest in Aviation.

No, I believe that all the posts by people who have nothing else to say but "Good luck...blah blah blah"... are subjective. Maybe you need to do some research for yourself, on the background of Neil's other ventures....some say non-existent (i.e. Africargo)....... some are proven to be failed before they even took off (i.e. Lionair)......some would say of dubious operation (City Connexion). Only once you have done this can you even claim to know the difference between objectivity and subjectivity.

Even if all these are fake, why do you critisize such a complete effort?

If this is fake, Neil has managed to sucker some people in (not me mind you), and hence his credibility would be worth as much the paper his CPL is printed on.


User currently offlineTriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

Ceilidh,

I can only second what you told Britshmidland. The interesting side of that being you don't seem to practice what you preach, yourself, all the time. If you're going to tell "a kid" how he should or should not behave, it would look good on you to set the example.

Don't worry; I'm not interested in starting another flame war. I don't know you, therefore I have no interest in dishonouring you.
I just wish you had that same courtesy or class you mentioned when commenting on other airlines. If you are the CEO you say you are, do you think it would be appreciated by other CEO's if you go about using outdated acronyms to comment on their airlines? For those who are puzzled, allow me to refer to http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/309940/. Very courteous, indeed...

Just a thought.

Furthermore, good luck with any plans or projects you may have.

Best regards,

TriStar.


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Oh this is such a load of horsesh*t.

Neil has no obligation to defend his airline to you, or anyone. That he is here, with an extensive knwoledge of aviation, is and should be a delight to us all. In my opinion, Ceilidh is one of the most considerate, relaxed, and truly classy posters on here. The Sabena thing means nothing Tristar, its a funny, dumb acronym followed with three smileys. Hardly, a inconsiderate "flame war" so many of this forum's posters have thrust upon him.

He has consistently, and politely, repsonded to most every criticism on here (usually from the same people) and most with little backing (with execption of Brissie's from time to time). Greggj is a jackass and this Freebot, F_Boot, Vauxhall, whatever is indeed a nut. He has hounded Neil over at pprunre also, to the chagrin, of that forum's mambers also.

BritishMidland, your post was ridicuously rude, and arrogant, and you should consider yourself forunate you got a responce at all.

I too, am getting sick and tired of this relentless hounding of Cal Wings. It's old already, and most of it is baseless. Neil has every right to defend his name in the face of obnoxious slander, and your constant taunting and abuse may just drive him to it.

It comes down to this, Neil is attempting to put together a succesfuly enterprise, with what seems to have a lot of money, time, and organization behind it. The airline should be taking to the air this coming spring. Am I correct Neil? Let's wait till them and view Gary's pics if Cal Wings does indeed take to the sky. Untill than, get a life, stop being such jackasses, and lets move on.

BritishMidland, I highly adivse you to relax and treat your fellow members with a bit more respect you jerk.

Regards,
Russell


User currently offlineBritishmidland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

what a hock of horse shit? Yes indeed, this man is filling you with the largest amount of horseshit since the Kentucky Derby cleaned out the stalls ... the key word you are missing is IF. This will never happen, and if it does, please post the pictures on this site in Caledonian Wings colors. He spents "a lot of time" working on the airline? haha... this joker spends more time creating paper and acting like a fool.

later suckers (not brissie lions)


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Scott (Brissie) - whilst you are entitled to your opinion it would be nice if you could get your facts straight first - and preferrably from those that were really there rather than 5th hand hearsay or mysterious people that claim to know me yet decline to be identified.

Africargo was far from non existent - as covered above; Lionair remained a paper airline but as I know you're aware the concept was appropriated by another party; and the owners of City Connexion would be highly upset to learn of your description of it as a "dubious operation". Dubious in what way, exactly?

Final thought for you, Scott - you, too, want to set up an airline. How would you like to be treated the same way that you're treating me and this project at the moment? And have you given any consideration to the number of airline projects that never take to the skies - yet have been founded with every intention of doing so? A couple of examples of what it takes can be found here in the UK at the moment - Air Wales recently received its AOC after three years in the making; whilst hopeful DHC8 operator Celtic Airways Ltd has been on the drawing board for the best part of four years now. Does taht make John Orpin, its MD, give up? Nope - he's battling on - and I have every confidence he will get it flying.

It's easy to sneer at people, Scott - it's far less easy to get out and accomplish things!

TriStar - if you read the thread, it was asking what people thought of Sabena's service. I simply pointed out that their long standing - and widely acknowledged- acronym summed their service standards up nicely. That was a personal view; and one which appears to be held by many others judging by the thread! Thank you for your good wishes, though.


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Britishmidland - a quick check of my postings will show that I don't generally come on here between 0900 and 1800 or so BST - so you can hardly claim that I'm spending corporate time on here!

You obviously don't have the faintest idea of what's entailed in setting up any sort of business - let alone an airline. I suggest you go back to your FS2000 and leave this forum to those that are somewhat more mature and can at least express themselves without resorting to invective.

Have a nice day, now!


User currently offlineTriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2431 times:

Britishmidland,

Beware of generalising.

If you had an e-mail address where to get in touch with you, I would gladly elaborate.

Best regards,

TriStar.


User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Neil

What I stated about your other ventures, may not be all my opinion, but rather be the general concensus from various people on the continent.

As for City Connexion's dubious operations, what I am going to state here is nothing that can't be found on the net, if only people would care to search for it. I have seen on a couple of Burundi news sites (for those who don't know, Bujumbura in Burundi is where City Connexion is based).

These news sites, outright accuse, some with "proof" and some with heresay, that City Connexion has been/ is being used by the Goetz's for the smuggling of diamonds, but mainly gold, out of Zaire. Don't the Goetz's have considerably gold interests in Belgium? These various reports also say that the Goetz's were run out of Burundi because of this smuggling? Think about it Neil, here you have a carrier which has gotten IATA accreditation (this is basically as simple as applying and paying for it), operating a "legitimate" airline, but in reality is using these flights to smuggle gold. Why can't one legitimately think this when they have gotten information from legitimate sources. I do not expect you to confirm that City Connexion is involved in the smuggling of gold, because that would be implicating yourself in illegal operations as well, wouldn't it?

Now you did say that you left Burundi before the Goetz' were "forced" to leave Bujumbura for a spell, and the attempted nationalisation of the airline (and the bank also of which you are a director, are you not? correct me on this if I am wrong please) by the Burundi government. But this is what these news services, from Burundi, and also European reporters have reported (not on you, but on the Goetz's).

You have also mentioned that the new Burundi government is corrupt.....well from what I can ascertain the previous government was just as corrupt. How is one to know that the new government in Burundi wasn't happy with whatever arrangements the Goetz's had with the previous government? It is possible isn't it? Maybe not, who is to know though, right? Just look at the DRC, where Kabila is just as bad as the corrupt, despot he replaced in Mobutu. You can say, it is not true, but if it was, I doubt you would admit it on a public forum anyway. Remember, I am not implying anything, merely suggesting a possibility!

As for me wanting to set up an airline. You have it half right Neil. I am working towards, eventually, obtaining a Cessna Caravan or similar sized aircraft, for which I want to run aerial/ground safaris in the north-west of Western Australia, and target these safaris towards the European backpacker market (mainly 18-25s). But the air operation side of things is only side of my dream, as it also includes 4WD'ing, camping, and everything else in between. Western Australia takes up a 1/3 of the size of Australia, and for these backpackers to get to the places they want to see, often involves a 30-40 drive (and that would be non-stop). I have worked at the government department in the past which is responsible for giving business grants to those with a sound business idea (but not the financial backing to get things rolling), and the feedback from people who I have run my ideas past, are sure it would be a winner, and have given me great encouragement, and most importantly, have also criticized where it is warranted. I have a lot of saving of money to do, and a lot of study to do, and a lot of tests to pass, and hey, it may never happen, but as you have said, it is nice to dream. I am still doing a lot of research into the background stuff, and am talking to a lot of people, and getting positive and negative feedback on different aspects, but I really do think that me wanting to operate a single Caravan-sized aircraft on specialised tours in a market (that of backpackers) which is largely untapped, is completely different to an operation which will acquire 40+ 250-seater airliners, and operating in a market which is dog-eat-dog, and is already full of operators (except for the scheduled services you have planned from PIK to the US, as there is none).

Something I have been wondering for some time, but have forgotten to mention. If the acquisition and operation of 40+ TriStars on an ACMI basis is viable, I have wondered why such established operators such as Air Atlanta Icelandic haven't made a move on DL's fleet (they do specialise in the TriStar don't they?). Or why doesn't Air Gulf Falcon which has Royal money behind it, make the same moves?

If you were to state that you would be flying 2 or 3 TriStars on scheduled operations from PIK, I may just believe it. But when one says what you have stated in your posts on this forum, maybe it is just me, but one does become very, very sceptical on what is really going on.

As for me hounding you, or whatever you want to call it, I have a couple of things to say on this. Other airline CEO's have not come onto a public forum, like you have, and have made at times what I think are outlandish claims and ideas. Trust me, if John Orpin was on here, and I had done some background research on his operations, if I felt it was not all true, or felt it was over-the-top, I would have no hesitation in criticizing him either. You may think I do not support you. Not true. I always like to see a new successful airline in the skies. But if I feel that something is not right, or some aspects are skewed, I will comment (or criticise as you call it).

But Neil, honestly, why is it that if I criticise your planned operation I am doing something wrong? I am merely presenting my opinion, which I am entitled to do (unless of course, the moderators of this site think I have gone too far, in which case they will hit the delete button...and it has happened many times). After all, this is a forum, which is supposed to be for discussion. Or, we could just have a thread full of nothing but "Yay!" or "Woohoo". Maybe it is my fault because I am naturally inquisitive, and like to delve deeper into things which are presented to me. I do not, and never have, taken people at face value. I will form my opinions on what I have read, been told and have seen. You may say that what I have read, been told or have seen is false and misinformed, but I will say this; I have been in contact with numerous people on the continent, and I am not going to say what they think, but one must question what the hell you have done to step on so many people's toes over the years.

From the article you emailed me before, I hope you do realise that I have one MAJOR question on that, and you may know what I am talking about, however, in fairness to you, I will ask you these questions privately via email, which you may or may not wish to answer.

Cheers


User currently offlineAgrodemm From Greece, joined Apr 2000, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Scott,
Don’t get me wrong.
I am not backing up anybody, neither I disagree with your comments.
I was just impressed by the info I found in the website of “Celtic Airways”.
It was one of the few times that through this forum I found some really important info (and I am referring to the economics of the L-1011)
Most probably I will not be able to meet in person anybody from here, neither I am looking for investment opportunities so as to do research on credibility.
However, instead of elaborating on interesting issues like:
What are the projections/forecasts of your “airline’s” sales?
Will you hedge against jet-fuel prices? (That’s a hot topic)
Will you be able to maintain the L-1011’s.
Is there a market for leasing 1011’s?

We tend to discuss only about “Who you are” , “You are not what you are claiming”
“You will fail” etc

Yeah, it’s all fake (As I told you I don’t care, neither I have the time to check on it)
So let’s get back to our usual discussion topics
“What do you think about SIA?”
“I hate the DC-10’s”

Regards,
agrodemm  


User currently offlineCaravelle From Norway, joined Aug 2000, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Neil, so when will the deal go through? And when can we expect to see CalWings in the air?
Any updates?

-caravelle



Trains and boats and planes....
User currently offlineF_boot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Interesting.
"Africargo was simply the trading name for cargo operations that were conducted out of Burundi..." The Africargo website didn´t say that at all. It claimed that Africargo was an already existing operation with CL44, C130, B707, B747, L1011 freighters that was entering into a joint venture with CCA. Please tell us about these.
How did you get to be CEO of CCA?

You´ve made great stock of being employed by Laker. How old were you, and what position did you hold there?
You claim to have been the CEO of Transoceanic in Nigeria. When was this, and how did you get the job?
You claim to have accumulated 4,000 hours as a B707 pilot. When? What licence did you hold before you illegally obtained your Nigerian ALTP?

Just to get the ball rolling.


User currently offlineVelocityair From United States of America, joined May 2000, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

what is caledonian wings?

User currently offlineBritishmidland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

I have an email address now for you guys to send me hate mail and CLARIFICATIONS... with all due respect Neil please forward me the emails that you have been so kind as to pass on to fellow members. Thanks.


BD


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Ceilidh,

Wow! I still think your idea is fantastic and I hope everything goes well for you. Don't listen to the guys here, most of them never thought the A3XX would be a reality. Be proud of your dream and the reality it is soon to become. You are the sort of person I would love to work for. Vision!

Could you forward me more information about what you are doing with Caledonian? When are you hiring? I would be interested in employment, unless of course you have all you need at the moment. I have read so much but only what has been posted - can you supply me with more info? My e-mail address is in my profile.

I love Tristars, and keep me informed of your progress.

mb


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Scott (Brissie) - As I told you when you forwarded me a couple of those sites, when you're as wealthy - and as powerful - as the Goetz's are, especially in a civil war ravaged country like that, you make enemies. As I told you, one of the sites is operated by the guerillas, who have tried to kill him and his family on several ocasions - which is why we both used to drive around in armoured vehicles there. All that you're doing is passing along their fabrications - and doing so gives them credibility. The reality of the situation is that Affimet (the gold trading company) is situated in the Zone Franche (the Duty Free Zone). There are no duties imposed as a result. Twice a week, we had customs officers come in to the office who would inspect, weigh and seal the consignments, which would then be exported to Belgium where the main refinery is. Why on earth would we want to smuggle gold when there's no duty or other taxes to avoid? Think about it - it's completely nonsensical.

I left Burundi a couple of days before Documentation (the Burundi Secret Police) went after Alain - in fact, the first I heard that he was having problems was whn I spnt 4 hours at Prague Airport waiting for him to arrive as we were goint to Kunowice to finalise the deal to purchase two Ayres 7000s (Let 610Gs).

The current government, led by Maj Pierre Buyoya, has been in power since 1994. There's infighting within the government, primarily led by the Second Vice President, who sees Buyoya as being too supportive of the Hutus. The 2nd VP is a hardline Tutsi, and has been one of those who have been sabotaging the Arusha peace process. Alain Goetz is a friend of the President - so due entirely to the 2nd VPs efforts to oust Buyoya, the Affimet/ABC/CCA group got caught in the crossfire. Buyoya is still in power; there has been no change of government; and the Goetz's are now back in Burundi.

All in all, just the usual hazards of doing business in Africa!

You're wrong about IATA membership as well, and you're showing your ignorance of their practices. You must be proposed and seconded by existing members; your details then go forward to the council and if you're financially secure enough and have all the appropriate documentation, you're admitted as a member. If you don't, your application is rejected. If what you claimed was correct, then every Tom, Dick and Harry would join - which certainly isn't the case. They are very choosy about who they let in!

Air Atlanta have now moved on from the L1011 - they're specialising in the B747 now, but are replacing their L10s with some ex BY B767s. The way that carriers like Air Atlanta and Air Gulf Falcon operate is that they acquire aircraft with as much time as possible remaining until D check; fly them until they reach that point; then part them out. They wouldn't be interested in a deal like this because the aircraft are already run out.

I apologise if I appear hypersensitive - however with F_boot and his multiple personalities carrying out their cyberstalking, I'm sure you can appreciate why!
Feel free to send me any emails - as you know, I always respond. Cheers!

Caravelle - things are rolling along nicely; as always, it's the money-men that call the shots, but it's looking good for us to be in the air ex PIK in April. In the interim, my partner in Miami is making arrangement to go to ATL with his attorneys to do the deal with Delta as soon as he and the relevant people at DL can synchronise agendas.

F_boot - disclose your true ID and I'll be happy to tell you.

Mx5_boy - details are on the website: www.celticairways.com


25 Post contains images Agrodemm : Ceilidh: What are your plans against the strong $$$ as well as the rising price of the oil? Are you planning on waiting a bit more untill things get m
26 Ceilidh : agrodemm - excellent question. Our projections are all based on an average of US$1/USG and for the Scottish operation, US$1.45 to the GBP.
27 Britishmidland : But fuel prices have already risen to near that point... and as the supply is continually held by the sheiks, I see oil prices rising further before n
28 F_boot : Interesting again. On previous postings you claimed that I was fired by you, posted by you using your alter-ego of SAS23 (as confirmed by the real SAS
29 Post contains images Ceilidh : Britishmidland - Fuel prices will be back to more manageable levels in Q1 next year, unless all hell breaks loose in the Middle East. In any event, hi
30 Post contains images Beechbarron : Neil- (Ceilidh) I just wanted to wish you well. I've been to your website, and everything is looking set to go for you! I'll be following the news in
31 Britishmidland : Ceilidh-- Perhaps you should start a different topic for that. The main thing is that you are dodging more information as it becomes available. I am j
32 Post contains images SOUTHPACIFIC : Aloha! Well I know nothing of Africargo or Connexion or any other previous airline associated with Ceilidh, so I'm not even gonna comment on that. It
33 Post contains images Ceilidh : Britishmidland - Start a new topic for what, exactly? I was being ironic! 1) I'm not 'dodging' any "information" - indeed, I actually don't have to an
34 Ceilidh : SOUTHPACIFIC - actually, although in many cases the operating methodology changed substantially from the original plan, most of the airline projects I
35 SAS23 : F-boot, I'm not Neil and hes not me. I know you though!
36 Britishmidland : Neil-- please share with our captive audience your package price on the planes etc. Let me guess though first, in excess of $100mln. Are you buying th
37 Britishmidland : Neil-- I have seen the articles you have sent me, and sure they look good, but there is no certainty from these articles. There are references to you,
38 Post contains images Ceilidh : Britishmidland - nope, waaaaaaaay off on the price! Pricing info - along with pax numbers etc are the sort of commercially sensitive information I'm t
39 Post contains images Ceilidh : Britishmidland - as we do not yet have the aircraft in operation, that is the only way that we can describe what is, at the present, a projected opera
40 TWAneedsNOhelp : Neil, forget him, he's a complete hack. He has no competent knowledge of aviation management, no idea that SanfordFL has become of Florida's busiest a
41 Britishmidland : Hypocrite-- Listen here... it would have been OK and well respectful had you left it as "Neil, forget him, he's a complete hack." But you had to conti
42 TWAneedsNOhelp : Damn, I really don't want to talk to you anymore, but I can't lie down in the face of such fraudulent, ridiculous criticism. That rustic burnt out cit
43 Post contains images Ceilidh : Britishmidland - you really ought to improve your English skills! Perhaps then you might be able to comprehend what I'm really saying to you. Of cours
44 EVA744 : TWA + Ceilidh -- You guys should stop worrying; look what you have compared to him. Ceilidh you are starting up the airline, Kudos! and TWA going to C
45 Post contains images Ceilidh : Targeted at 2nd April 2001 - fingers crossed!
46 Post contains images Scotty : Go for it!!
47 TWAneedsNOhelp : Thanks Trevor. Student?
48 Velocityair : Yes. I attend University at Albany. You go to Cornell I see. Good Luck!
49 Granite : Hi Neil How is the staff recruitment going? As the launch date is getting nearer the staff should be arriving. Regards Gary Watt Aberdeen, Scotland
50 Post contains images TWAneedsNOhelp : Hey, my dad's best friend went to SUNY Albany, he loved it!! I think he xferred there from Buffalo. Thanks for the good luck, good luck to you too. It
51 Ceilidh : Gary - we'll probably start the recruiting process in December, as things should be a lot clearer by then on the operational front.
52 F_boot : By things being clearer, does that mean that you don´t know what you´re doing right now?
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