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Airlines That Have "Survived" A Major Crash  
User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16079 times:

Over the years Airlines that have had major losses with crashes have either gone bust, rebranded or been merged into other carriers to assume their new name, i.e Helios, Valujet etc etc.

What carriers are still flying under the same name they "crashed" under?


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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16072 times:

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
What carriers are still flying under the same name they "crashed" under?

Think of one of today's mainline US carriers and there you go?



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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16076 times:

United, American, KLM (biggest crash in history), Martinair, GOL, China Airlines, JAL, Saudi etc etc etc....

User currently offlineNewSky From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16026 times:

Air New Zealand springs to my mind, that DC-10 that crashed in the Antartic.

User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16024 times:

Bit morbid this one isn't it ?

The answer must be just about every major airline; I know Qantas are reputed to have never had a major fatality, nor have VS; but I can immediately think of major fatalities for BA AF AA UA & SQ.


Major long established airlines by the very law of statistics are likely to have major crashes in their statistics, by virtue of the number of flying hours carried out, and the fact that accident rates were far higher in the past.


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15999 times:

Singapore Airlines 747 crash in taipei comes to my mind


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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15933 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
Bit morbid this one isn't it ?

Not really! Just curious!



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15900 times:

As said above, most of the world's carriers have had a major crash at some stage or another. Its far easier to list which major carrier HASN'T had an accident.

If we take the last 30 years or so, of the world's major carriers that have had major fatal accidents/incidents (noty caused by terrorism) I can think of American (multiple), United, Delta, US, Alaska, BA, SAS, KLM, THY, LOT, Aeroflot, Tarom, Martinair, Avianca, TAM, Gol, Saudi, SAA, Kenya Airways, Egyptair, El Al, Gulf Air, PIA, Thai, JAL, SIA, Korean (multiple), China Ailines (Multiple), Air China, Air NZ, Silkair, Garuda - and plenty more besides - all still flying.



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15886 times:

Oh and I just wanted to point out I have nothing against the Yanks, I was just saying...

Anyway, Britannia Airways had a crash in GRO during a storm with one of their charter B757 flights in 1999. Granted they've changed their name now but that was way afterwards.

Don't forget British Midland aka BMI back in the late 80's. B734, two engines, one on fire so turn the good one off and go crash? Again, they were ok after that for the most part. The airline name change was years after.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15840 times:

'Major' International and USA based airlines have rarely failed due to a major accident alone and have generally survived even the most deadly accidents and even if their company was at fault. Generally those airlines that fail or are forced into mergers due to a major accident tended to be relatively smaller airlines or those that already had competitive or financial problems. For them a major accident or act of terror can be the final blow to destroy them.
UA and AA survived the 9/11 terror attacks despite the horrible losses they each suffered (each losing 2 a/c), they have been better at financial survival than a number of other major airlines in the USA since 9/11.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1880 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15830 times:

Gulf Air had at least 2 major tragic crashes and its still flying.
Hmmm.. actually the vast majority of airline crashes airliners are still flying.
Inshalla we dont see another crash anytime,  Sad



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15799 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 4):
but I can immediately think of major fatalities for BA AF AA UA & SQ.

BA - Manchester 85 and several as BOAC/BEA
AF - Concorde
AA - 9/11
UA - 9/11 or souix city
SQ - the Taipea crash http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/v...=9V-SPK&airline=Singapore+Airlines


I find the more interesting question the one about which major airlines have never lost a passenger - I guess we have to say Ryanair and U2!

According to airdisaster.com Qantas have a no fatalities record, looking at this record http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/v...999®=VH-OJH&airline=Qantas+Airways they came close to losing it here (look at photo 3 with the slide stuck in a tree!)


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15804 times:

At the other end the Panam 747 bombing probably did more to finish off Panam than just about anything....


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15751 times:

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 12):
At the other end the Panam 747 bombing probably did more to finish off Panam than just about anything....

Hastened its demise maybe, but Pan Am was already dying as a carrier before Lockerbie. A lack of a useful domestic network to feed its international routes was the main cause. It had already sold off its Pacific routes prior to the bombing I believe and the Atlantic routes would have gone the same way with or without Lockerbie.



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15721 times:

Swissair went bankrupt less than three years after flight 111 crashed. It wasn't the main cause of the bankruptcy but it put a huge dent in Swissair's reputation, particularly as they had not had an accident since the mid 1970s/

User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15676 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 2):
KLM (biggest crash in history),

While KLM came through that terrible accident all right it was Pan Am that went under, even though KLM was initially held responsible for the crash.

It shows, in my opinion, that a crash does not have that much to do with the demise of a carrier. PanAm, TWA, Swissair are carriers that have had crashes with the cause beyond their control and still went under.



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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15679 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Generally those airlines that fail or are forced into mergers due to a major accident tended to be relatively smaller airlines or those that already had competitive or financial problems.

Agreed. Think about the case of ValuJet. People were already kind of "ValuJet? How safe could that be?" and then they crash. The crash wasn't even really their fault, but it added to an already existing concern. It's actually pretty impressive how AirTran has risen from those ashes.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15581 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 14):
Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 12):
At the other end the Panam 747 bombing probably did more to finish off Panam than just about anything....

Hastened its demise maybe, but Pan Am was already dying as a carrier before Lockerbie. A lack of a useful domestic network to feed its international routes was the main cause. It had already sold off its Pacific routes prior to the bombing I believe and the Atlantic routes would have gone the same way with or without Lockerbie.

In regard to this type of catastrophic incident rushing the exodus of an airline, TWA800 comes to mind as well.....


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15576 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 15):
Swissair went bankrupt less than three years after flight 111 crashed. It wasn't the main cause of the bankruptcy but it put a huge dent in Swissair's reputation, particularly as they had not had an accident since the mid 1970s/

But again - as with Pan Am, the carrier would ultimately have gone bankrupt anyway - regardless of the crash. Certainly the accident didn't speed up the process - 9/11 did that instead.



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15528 times:

Despite more crowded skies, flying today is safer than in the 70s or earlier with modern navigational aids, safety enhancements and causes of previous crashes being analysed and preventive measures being taken to avoid any repetition. The risk of terrorism is, however, probably greater today than in the pre 1980s. So I really feel that it is only fair that comparison for airlines that have survived a 'major crash' to be drawn from records post 1970.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 8):
Britannia Airways had a crash in GRO during a storm with one of their charter B757 flights in 1999

They had a far more serious crash at LJU in September 1966 when one of their Britannias crashed on landing. 98 fatalities of a total of 117 on board.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):
BA - Manchester 85

It was a British Airtours (admittedly a wholly-owned subsidiary of BA) aircraft that caught fire on take-off from MAN. Shortly after the MAN incident, British Airtours was rebranded Caledonian. This happened on the merger with British Caledonian, when the BA charter subsidiary (British Airtours) and the BCal charter subsidiary (BCal Charter) were merged into one - Caledonian Airways, but perhaps coincidential the British Airtours name was hastily dropped?

Quoting Cornish (Reply 14):
Hastened its demise maybe, but Pan Am was already dying as a carrier before Lockerbie.

Deregulation lit the fuse that killed off PanAm.

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 16):
While KLM came through that terrible accident all right it was Pan Am that went under

Actually KLM came out very badly from the TFN crash. Remember it was the airline's Chief Pilot who made the decision to commence take-off, unaware that the PanAm 747 was still on the runway. Mention the Tenerife crash, and fingers for the blame point faster to KLM than to PanAm.

[Edited 2006-12-12 14:56:19]


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User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15475 times:

One that springs to mind for me is US - they survived three very public and deadly accidents in the late 1980's/early 1990's - the 737 in PIT, the 737 at LGA, and the DC9 [I think] at CLT......


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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15466 times:

LH in nigeria , first 747 crash , human fault

User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15381 times:

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 21):
US - they survived three very public and deadly accidents in the late 1980's/early 1990's - the 737 in PIT, the 737 at LGA, and the DC9 [I think] at CLT......

There was also the 737 at LAX in about 1990 where it landed and quickly struck a SkyWest Metroliner sitting on the same runway waiting for a midfield takeoff (technically it was mostly caused by ATC error and the small Metroliner almost blending in entirely with the runway lights at night).

But that's nothing compared to UA in the 1960s! How many 727s did they lose that decade alone?


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1880 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15357 times:

Royal Jordian is another one. It crashed once in Qatar.  Sad


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15135 times:

CO DC9-15 in DEN mid 80's during the snow storm!


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25 Post contains links EWRCabincrew : For those who need to know all the details: http://www.planecrashinfo.com/ http://www.airsafe.com/ Search away. PA's crash and SR's crash did not brin
26 Cedars747 : SAUDIA Saudi Arabian Airlines Flight 763, registration HZ-AIH, was a Boeing 747-168B en route from Delhi, India to Dhahran, Saudi Arabia on November 1
27 UALPHLCS : How can you mention UA's 9/11 and the UA 232 crash and NOT mention AA flt 587 crash? It comes off as a bit biased. I don't think one crash has really
28 Jetjack74 : NWA, NW255- crashed after takeoff from DTW, plowing into a grassy bank next to Interstate 94 in 1987, all onboard killed with exception of Ceclia Chic
29 Charlienorth : 14 years later.. In the 50's there was a saying in the midwest..for eternal rest fly northwest!! They crashed 6 M202's in a very short time period,al
30 MEA-707 : I think most reply's don't get the point.... The crash has to be seen relative to the airlines size, and to the existing image they already have. For
31 PanAm747 : Rather than generalize about an airline "surviving" after an accident, one needs to look at an airline's overall financial situation to draw a conclus
32 Jbmitt : We're forgetting a few key crashes in North America: Delta 191 near DFW in 1985 Delta 1141 @ DFW in 1988 Comair 5191 @ LEX in 2006 Comair 3272 near DT
33 D L X : Probably not biased - he's not American. The UA 232 crash was a very high profile case for many many years after the crash. If we were to have a thre
34 Charlienorth : One airline that a crash definitely contributed the demise was Air Florida,too bad they were a cool outfit to deal with in MSP during the winter chart
35 B737700doctor : US Airways has had a DC9 two 737's crash.
36 AirframeAS : What about Copa Airlines flight 201? Thats a pilot error, was it not?
37 ZBA320 : From the top of my head.... AA - 9/11, B757 bumped into a mountain and A300 NYC Accident (Excessive Rudder commands) KLM - Tenerife Pan Am - Tenerife
38 Logos : Huh? Delta's had a couple of crashes (as noted here - the L-1011 & 727 at DFW stick out in my mind in particular) but they were not among the unfortu
39 UALPHLCS : WHAT!?!?! YOU mean UA!
40 LH459 : That was in Nairobi, Kenya.
41 Jbmitt : Please excuse my post #32.. I stated in North America, my former geography professors would be disappointed if they were aware that I lumped Colombia
42 ThePRGuy : IIRC that was in Kenya, not Nigeria? Thanks Alex
43 Post contains links EFHK : Well, letting kids fly the plane could be called a Pilot Mistake.... Ok, it wasn't the main cause but I'd call it one of the causes. http://aviation-
44 AirframeAS : huh?? Where did that come from? You must mean AA and UA.
45 Britannia191a : A dan-air 727 crashed into a mountain in Tenerife in late 60's early 70's. Even though Dan Air doesnt exist now this was not due the crash but the tak
46 Magyarorszag : BOAC in 1966 when one of its B707 was badly damaged in flight near Mt. Fuji and finally crashed, after departing Tokyo where the day before a CP Air D
47 Post contains links EWRCabincrew : It seems this has gotten way off topic. We can quote and rehash who crashed when, who was at fault, who wasn't, why did it crash, etc., but I think th
48 Post contains images Nwase : Pleeze, its Sioux City That spelling causes a bit of an identity crisis.
49 AirEMS : The CO in Denver Flt 1713 The UA Crash in Colorado Springs -Carl
50 N867BX : AA has the number one and number two crashes in the US in terms of number of dead. American was largely to blame in both accidents and they are doing
51 Magyarorszag : That's right.
52 PillowTester : The Pan American name still survives, to some sad extent, even today.
53 Bphendri : I would say AEROFLOT, but they are goverment owned, and don't have allot of competition. If youw ant to talk about another airline that actually has g
54 Luke7e7 : LO had two major accident with theirs Il-62's back in '80
55 Bphendri : Don't you mean, pilot letting son play with yoke causing autopilot disconnect?
56 Knope2001 : Holy cow is that off the mark. There was never even the suggestion that inadequate maintenece was the cause of the engine failure. Engine failures of
57 Aviateur : This is a strange thread. If you look at the ten worst airline accidents in history, the only carrier that's NOT still in existence is Pan Am. If anyt
58 Jerion : USAir 20 Sep 1989 La Guardia Airport, New York, New York Boeing B-734 USAir 01 Feb 1991 LAX, Los Angeles, California Boeing B-733 / Swearingen SA-227A
59 LTBEWR : As I noted in my previous post: In follow up, I would note that in the short term possible passengers may avoid flying an airline or even choose anoth
60 Skyexramper : Midwest Express...DC-9 crashed killing all onboard back in their early days.
61 TG992 : Let's put this myth to bed. Qantas has had seven fatal crashes. One was on 16 July 1951, when De Havilland Drover VH-EBQ crashed in New Guinea after a
62 Post contains links Aviateur : Yes. Though none since the advent of jets. Damn Dustin Hoffman... http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/07/14/askthepilot194/
63 Steeler83 : I was about to bring this one up, and someone pointed out that the date was in February of 1991. That was a DC9 that went down in CLT, US 1016, and I
64 Jetdeltamsy : Virtually every financially healthy airlines that has a major accident survives. It can be argued the Pan Am's Lockerbie crash and TWA 800 cooked the
65 Jerion : March 22, 1992 USAir 405, a Fokker F-28 departing LGA for CLE. Due to delay at the gate, ice collected on the wings and airframe. The aircraft crashe
66 Viscount724 : Do you include Southwest in that category? WN carries more domestic passengers than any other US airline with a fleet of almost 500 B737s and the onl
67 Post contains images Steeler83 : That's what I thought, so I was wrong with the aircraft but somewhat right about the rest. That was in March of 1992? Wow, 7 months and 2 days before
68 Jetdeltamsy : OK, OK. Whatever. When I said "catastrophic", i meant a major accident with major loss of life...75 people or more. While the accident for Southwest
69 B773ER : Air India - had 2 major and terrible crashes !
70 BCAL : Depends who you ask. If you ask the Spanish they will point the blame to the British pilot, but if you ask the British they will point the blame to S
71 TWAL1011727 : The remains of this A/C fell into the Atlantic ocean west of Ireland - not east The flying public will usually give the airline/s time to find out th
72 Post contains links and images OyKIE : SAS had a fatal accident in Linate. However if you read how professional the pilots where during those final seconds, you know that you are being take
73 Post contains images ZBA320 : My bad!
74 BlackBox : I think the only airline that remotely fits the (strange) question posed by the thread starter is ValuJet. It's crash in the Everglades almost single-
75 Cumulus : Can't be that strange if it was read over 10,000 times!! Sparked a lot of interest and thanks for all the replies!
76 Hamad : Gulf Air, Saudi Arabian airlines, Egypt air and there are a lot more
77 Spacecadet : The original question was maybe not worded in a good way, but I think it is true that even large, healthy airlines can really feel some financial pres
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