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User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10684 times:

Allright, the first thread has gone past the 200 post, so here we go with a second discussion.

Cheers

Swiss Aviation Thread One

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User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10680 times:

I've heard a rumour that LX is one of the 36 parties hat are interested in OZ's 332s. More longhaul expansion likely?

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

Why not if Swiss feels there is demand for further expansion maybe in Africa or North America to operate profitably. As far as I know the planes are also identical regarding the engines as the ones in LX fleet they were also ordered together with SR and SN I think at the time when SR and OS still were partners.

On another note Edelweiss Air has their A330 in for maintanance and Business Class cabin refit until tomorow. Does anybody have any idea on the enahcnments made to their Long Haul Business Class product?


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10630 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 1):
OZ's 332s

You surely mean OS's A332s... I think that LX is likely to face a considerably tougher time to get their hands on these frames than they did when trying to get a hold of the two older A343s. The second hand market for A330s is very buoyant at the moment and the OS frames might go for too high a price to be worth the investment.


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10614 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
You surely mean OS's A332s

Yes, thats right, typo, i apologise.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10614 times:

Unless OS will make a good package deal but I doubt it. Why bother if you can get a better price from someone else. Also, Swiss wants to grow step by step and adding 5 planes from now to 2008 is a good start but I gues futher expansion at least in the Long Haul segment will first happen when Swiss has positively deployed their 3 A340 to increase frequencies and introduced the new route or routes.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10601 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
Also, Swiss wants to grow step by step and adding 5 planes from now to 2008 is a good start but I gues futher expansion at least in the Long Haul segment will first happen when Swiss has positively deployed their 3 A340 to increase frequencies and introduced the new route or routes.

You are absolutely right. These OS A332s will become available within the next couple of months, as OS has no more A332 flights in its schedule for the upcoming summer. I don't think LX could absorb so much additional longhaul capacity in such a short time. Any new station openings should have been announced by now, so additional capacity for next summer is likely to be used for reinforced frequencies to existing destinations only. I would nevertheless not rule out that LX would reopen IAD.


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10591 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
Also, Swiss wants to grow step by step and adding 5 planes from now to 2008 is a good start but I gues futher expansion at least in the Long Haul segment will first happen when Swiss has positively deployed their 3 A340 to increase frequencies and introduced the new route or routes.

That's what I think too. Most of the time, when carriers rushed to expand fast, that turned out to be more a problem than a success.


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10579 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
I would nevertheless not rule out that LX would reopen IAD.

I wouldn't bet anything on that. United flies ZRH-IAD daily, codesharing with LX. Are you sure IAD is a strong enought market to justify a second daily rotation?

Where i see potential is Africa. SR used to be a big player in the African market, however i'm not aware of the yields on these routes neither do i have any idea wether these routes were profitable for SR. A retry on PEK-PVG or either of them non-stop is also highly in the cards.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
I don't think LX could absorb so much additional longhaul capacity in such a short time.

I agree.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 8):
I wouldn't bet anything on that. United flies ZRH-IAD daily, codesharing with LX. Are you sure IAD is a strong enought market to justify a second daily rotation?

The current United-Swiss partnership is supported by just 2 daily interhub flights with UA flying IAD-ZRH and LX operating ZRH-ORD. Traditionally, the transatlantic partnership has been supported by at least 3 such flights - 2 daily ATL + daily CVG with DL, daily DFW, ORD and MIA with AA - so I am pretty sure that sooner or later additional capacity will be added to either IAD or ORD or both. The key word here is interhub operation.


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10558 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):

Fair enought. On a sidenote: UA's flight actually routes ORD-IAD-ZRH, but thats a minor detail and can't replace a third daily interhub flight.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Newest Swiss press release:

Quote:
Airbus A320 “HB-IJB” in service for SWISS from today
An Airbus A320 with the registration letters HB-IJB today became the 70th SWISS aircraft in commercial service when it took off for Rome’s Fiumicino Airport on time at 07:25 this morning. As announced back in September, this aircraft enables SWISS to take advantage of the growth in European air transport. It will be deployed on various existing routes within Europe.
The HB-IJB is the 46th Airbus aircraft in the SWISS fleet. The A320 family now consists of seven A319, fifteen A320 and four A321 aircraft. Another two Airbus A321s will join the SWISS fleet in spring.

http://www.swiss.com/web/MACNS4/abou...ess-releases-06.htm?&newsid=101503


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

Cool guys we are already in part #2 Big grin

Agree there are many carriers interested in OS33...... but I do not think LX would be able to jump on these birds and get them going in a economical manner today.... no need we all saw what happen when some very "smart"  banghead  people went on a "GW" trip with SR & SN......

Cheers,


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10535 times:

Latest LX figures for November 2006:

20% more passengers carried than in Nov. 2005
77% average load factor on the whole network (72% in November 2005)
Average Load factor on all intercontinental flights: 83%

Source: SF1 News.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10536 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 8):
Where i see potential is Africa. SR used to be a big player in the African market, however i'm not aware of the yields on these routes neither do i have any idea wether these routes were profitable for SR.

You are right about the potential of Africa. However, let's not overly romaticize Swissair's African adventures. In the end, some of those routes were bleeding money, in particular the thrice weekly ZRH ABJ. Lufthansa also unsuccessfully tried to enter the ABJ market a couple of years ago, so I really don't think we'll see a return there.

ZRH LOS ACC, previously served 4 times weekly with A332, was given up in one of the successive rounds of network cuts. Lufthansa is serving this market daily and that seems to suffice for the time being, unless the group would like to serve these markets seperately to better compete with KLM and British Airways. Otherwise, in Nigeria, Kano is the only city not served by the LH/LX group.

Swissair used to make some decent money in both Libreville and Kinshasa, both served once weekly via Doula and Yaounde, repectively, yet again, I don't see Swiss returning there, for the cost related to restarting such an operation is huge and Air France has meanwhile established itself very well in the market. Any return to these markets would be with a rather minimal initial frequency anyway.

Dakar was given up because of low yields and the yield situation there, as well as in Bamako and Banjul, both of which were served as a tag on to Dakar, has not improved ever since. Other destinations in West Africa would be completely new for both Swiss and Lufthansa and I just don't know whether the airlines would want to take such a risk. As it goes, I believe that destinations like Monrovia (ROB) and Freetown (FNA) offer a decent potential, yet the setting up of such an operations is not easy and subject to very serious risks.

In East Africa, Harare is unlikely to return to the LH/LX network given the current political impasse there. HRE was last served by Swissair via JNB and LH via WDH, and neither operation was a commercial success. Dares Salaam seems to be doing well for Swiss in combination with Nairobi, and we might see the airline eventually operating daily into NBO at which time the flight might be extended into destinations like Kilimanjaro (JRO) or Entebbe/Kampala (EBB) a couple of times a week.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

In the free (tabloid) newspaper "Heute" I read today that Swiss had 22.4 % more passengers in November 2006 (838000) than in November 2005. This is absolutely amazing. I can only give you the link of the Newspaper. If you want to read it you must download the PDF Newspaper (click on the newspaper icon). It is on page 7, in German.
http://www.heute-online.ch/


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10532 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):

Thanks for the insight, I appreciate it!

Quoting ZRH (Reply 15):

I beat you to it Big grin

[Edited 2006-12-12 18:56:33]

User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 13):
Latest LX figures for November 2006:

20% more passengers carried than in Nov. 2005
77% average load factor on the whole network (72% in November 2005)
Average Load factor on all intercontinental flights: 83%

These numbers are great no question, but we have to consider the revenue/profit. I hope these numbers will even more improve once LH/LX routing has been optimized.

Cheers,


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10509 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 16):
I beat you to it

No doubt you did  Wink


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10476 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 13):
20% more passengers carried than in Nov. 2005

20%  wideeyed  My gosh, that's really good!


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10446 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 10):
Fair enought. On a sidenote: UA's flight actually routes ORD-IAD-ZRH, but thats a minor detail and can't replace a third daily interhub flight.

The routing will be changed to a ZRH-IAD-SFO operation soon.



Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10445 times:

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 20):
The routing will be changed to a ZRH-IAD-SFO operation soon.

 Wow! That's most interesting.


User currently offlineFelixZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 20):
The routing will be changed to a ZRH-IAD-SFO operation soon.

Great.
Wasn't this flight some years back routed already that way?

It's also great to see the two partner cities connected together, even with the stop-over. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich#Partnerst.C3.A4dte
IIRC Mr. Ledergerber (Major of Zurich) also once wanted such a flight.


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10427 times:

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 13):
20% more passengers carried than in Nov. 2005

It's not just 20%, but 22,4%

Swiss: le nombre de passagers a augmenté de 22,4% en novembre
Swiss steigert Auslastung im November weiter


User currently offlineMatterhorn From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10411 times:

hey guys, great to have this thread...

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 1):
've heard a rumour that LX is one of the 36 parties hat are interested in OZ's 332s. More longhaul expansion likely?

I really feel happy for LX and all those employees which had to blood big time the last couple of years... but i really hope that LX is not doing the same mistakes as SR did, i.e. expanding too much too fast and trying to play in the same league as AF or BA... luckily big brother LH is watching...

getting those OS A332 would probably too much to digest, they even have a pilot shortage with the already announced 2 A322 and 3 A343...



Last Flight: BSL-AMS on EZY, Next Flight: ZRH-LHR on LX
25 Post contains images ZRH : Yes, ZRHnerd beat me, but I hat the right numbers in my post... Don't worry. I think, not only big brother is watching but the decisions will be made
26 Post contains images Magyarorszag : As usual I scrolled down too fast, and didn't saw your post.
27 Post contains images ZRHnerd : I had the numbers Swiss Television had, blame them
28 ZRH : Don't worry. That's typical SF. And they even want more money. In my opinion the SRG is worst company in Switzerland. I really hate them. (sorry of t
29 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Yes, they are bad, but they still offer some good programs, like Champions League, good movies (mit Zweikanalton ) football world cups and eurocups,
30 Swissy : What they need is a version of "Hockey Night in Canada" every Saturday night..... and does anyone have some LX profit numbers to post???? Cheers,
31 Post contains links Magyarorszag : I've only found them for the first nine month of the year. So they are not new anymore. Swiss continues to climb Cheers.
32 Post contains images Lsgg : It's maybe the case for S F and DRS but SSR SRG Idee Suisse is simply excellent in the TSR and RSR. TSR is wonderful and RSR is (in my humble opinion
33 Post contains images Swissy : Thank you my friend, have seen some newer numbers can't find them any more (need more beer ) If you look at both side (pax/load factor versus revenue
34 Magyarorszag : Of course not! They are now owned by LH, they are member of Star and not trying to build an impossible alliance with half-dead lame ducks in a mad Hu
35 Post contains images Swissy : Agree 100%, I am still busy cleaning my a.. with some old SR stocks.... , who knows maybe on a later time LH might be willing selling us LX back.....
36 Post contains images Lsgg : What do you mean by old SR stocks please ? (I'm really interesting in all old SR goods / items ! )
37 Jimyvr : TAP is getting OS 332, I think.... That's the problem in the Swissair era, although it's a hub to hub service, given current status of SWISS' destina
38 Post contains images Lsgg : I mean that was the mean Swissair mistake in his very last years. No risk SWISS Intl will do the same Not so long ago Swissair bought airlines, now S
39 HB-IWC : I hear you, but given the current growth of the airline, I believe that just 2 daily transatlantic interhub flights with medium sized capacity is on
40 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Good example of how things can change. hahaha
41 Post contains images SwissA330 : Welcome back!! This is Airbus A320-214 # 545, Delivered new to Swissair on 29.08.1995 as HB-IJB. Was stored in Lemwerder (D) after Swissair collapse
42 Post contains images Lsgg : Excellent, yes welcome back baby Ah ok, I've understood the term "stocks" right now But how long these stocks will continue to live without statute ?
43 Post contains images SwissA330 : until the company SAirGRoup is officially liquidated... they still exist, and have an office in Balsberg, at least they still had a while ago. They h
44 Post contains images Lsgg : So if I understand well, LH won't own 100% of LX until the last minor owner sell his last share ? So you are officially still a SR creditor, aren't y
45 Post contains links and images SwissA330 : Nope, the other way round. Although I still own shares of LX, i am no longer an owner, as LH has enough shares to 'squeeze out' all other owners. So
46 LXA340 : Changing the topic, Have any Swiss A319 or A321 already received the new interior? I think that HB-IOL A321 is currently in the process of receiving i
47 Knightsofmalta : Hey guys. I just came back from viewing the new SWISS offices near ZRH airport. The coolest thing is, when you're standing on the balcony on the third
48 Post contains images Swissy : I have all family owned stocks in paper form.... also some EA, which a good friend of mine in YYZ gave to me.... I am in the same boat and yes you ar
49 Post contains images Lsgg : Thanks a lot, I'm a bit less stupid now !
50 Post contains images Lsgg : I'm completely sure that SWISS Intl will never do better than Swissair (apart of course the 5 final SR years). We'll never have such a glorious Swiss
51 Post contains images Swissy : Agree and yes I know it sounds sentimental... but that is ok , That is also why I am a 100% pro supporter to get these "criminals" what they deserve.
52 Post contains images SwissA330 : pas de quoi
53 Post contains images Lsgg : Yes ! Indeed a new lawsuit is being open in January 2007, Philippe Brugisser and Mario Corti (with others of course) are taking part of it. Finally w
54 ZRHnerd : Haven't seen it, but i saw "Grounding" and I think it's an excellent movie but sadly enought not very accurate. Has anybody else seen it?
55 Post contains images Lsgg : Well it's by far my preferred film ! Agree, that's why the SF Doc is interesting.
56 Aviationmaster : Is this the documentary that was shown in October? If yes, then it was very interesting. I think it's even available on DVD now. I still have to see
57 Post contains images Lsgg : Yes and it's worth to buy it. Yes, I've got it on my computer. It's called "Une Vie Dans Le Ciel" (A live on the sky). It was really good and interes
58 Post contains images ZRHnerd : I havent even heard of it
59 Post contains links Alphafloor :
60 Post contains links and images Aviationmaster : I watched the German one. Well I guess I know what I want for Xmas, "Grounding" and SR documentary dvd's ... why buy it when Xmas is just around the
61 Post contains images Lsgg : I've got the French version if you are interested.
62 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Err, thanks, but id rather have the german version Does anybody know how/if i can get my hands on it? (without buying the DVD )
63 Post contains images Swissy : Sorry guys but I am in YVR till Friday, so you guys are sleeping and I am catching up..... I will be taking a front row seat so I can see them in the
64 Post contains links and images Raptor72 : Swiss today welcomed its tenth million passenger of the current year!! Last year 9.6 millions... Glad to see, LX is growing: financial, economical and
65 Post contains images Lsgg : Sorry what do you mean by BS please ? Hmmm I don't think there is a German version actualy, in the film F/A, pilots and other crew are speaking in Fr
66 Post contains images Lsgg : Hot Flybaboo news : By dpts.org : Seems that the Geneva based airline goes to a brighter future...
67 ZRH : If you are speaking about this report which was broadcasted by ARTE, then there is a "German" version because ARTE is also in German. I saw it on Ger
68 SwissA330 : =JUSTICE =Bullsh*t Yes, It was with dual-language. I think i may have it recorded somewhere, but i'm not sure anymore...
69 Post contains images Lsgg : That is actually very funny : Swiss-German-speaking struggling to speak in French, and their words translated in German !
70 Glidepath73 : Now with the shut down of AIR MADRID, maybe LX could take over some A332 from them, or even A343... Let's see what will happen. A nice weekend to all.
71 Post contains images Magyarorszag : I'm a bit skeptical about that, because among the three A330-200s, two are GE-powered, whereas LX A332s are PW-powered. The third NM A332 is indeed P
72 SwissA330 : What happened to them?? However, as stated above, they will not take GE A330's, it would not make sence. Are the OS A330's definitively going to TP?
73 Post contains links and images ZRHnerd : http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1152643&size=L What happened here? Did Crossair lease this B772 back then? I can't remember ever having seen thi
74 Magyarorszag : It was most probably a very short term lease. The picture was made a Saturday, so perhaps there was a need to take back home holiday makers in large
75 Post contains links Ka : With the introduction of the first additional A340 LX is increasing frequencies on different routes: NRT daily (as of Feb 19) LAX 6/7 (Feb 20) and dai
76 ZRH : This is interesting. But it was a strong rumor in another thread due to the lack of enough Star Alliance flights between Europe and South America.
77 LXA340 : The first Aircraft which LX will receive in February is from AC I gues one of their A340-313X, and will it feature the current A340 interior?[Edited 2
78 ZRHnerd : Yes. It will receive the same interior as the rest of the A343 fleet.
79 HB-IWC : Smart move. These LX core longhaul destinations were in need of an upgrade to daily service. For LAX, GRU and JNB, this move represents a return to d
80 HAJFlyer : Well, I guess it would take SR Technics quite some time to get these planes back in a shape that meets LX/LH standards. I would much rather fly with
81 ZRHnerd : But they will definately been refurbished, i just confirmed with my dad again 5 minutes ago. The contract is signed. As a matter of fact, it won't ta
82 Ka : Which contract is signed? The refurbishing contract of the ex-AC/OS-A340s or Air Madrid´s A330s which HAJFlyer was talking about?? I guess you were
83 ZRHnerd : That's right. There are no Air Madrid A330s sheduled to join the LX fleet so that wasn't an opetion anyways. Regarding the ex OS/AC birds, I'll try t
84 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Alright, ive just been talking to my dad, and here's what's going to happen: When LX will receive their A343s (the first due in Feb 07), they will ent
85 Ka : Hello Sandro, thanks alot for the information!! Though I have to say this is not good news for LX! Having an a/c flying around in such substandard wi
86 LXA340 : The A340 is used for the furthest destinations in the LX network except the CAI and TLV flights. I don't know if the seats in both Economy and Busines
87 Magyarorszag : I've seen it, and wasn't very much satified. In fact, I think the above documentary is much more interesting than Grounding. It stays close to the fa
88 Post contains images ZRHnerd : I gree, but then again, that might be different if you have been affected directly. I remember, that day, i was in front of the UBS headquarter near
89 Magyarorszag : Though I wasn't affected as you were, and still are today in a hopefully lesser way, and though I was expecting for a while the ugly consequences of
90 LXM83 : Correct. LX wetleased these Air Europe B777 for charters to/from Egypt (Hurghada and Sharm-el-Sheikh) during the busy autumn season 2001 for a couple
91 Swissy : Agree, considering I was one of the the many which lost a job, money..... I very much focus on facts only and I do understand a movie will always dri
92 SwissA330 : The process will be in Saalsporthalle Uster, correct? Will anyone be able to enter?
93 Post contains images Magyarorszag : According to the remarks of both of these photos, the aircraft was operating for Balair. Cheers.
94 Post contains links ZRH : Quoting SwissA330 (Reply 92): The process will be in Saalsporthalle Uster, correct? No, incorrect. It will be in the Stadthalle Bülach. Beginning Tue
95 ZRH : As almost all processes in Switzerland it is open to the public. It is only a matter of enough seats. Probably you have to be there early to get a se
96 Swissgabe : Well possible that they where also leased to Balair. If the picture shows the name Crossair I doubt it was leased to Balair (only). Balair would norm
97 LXM83 : Those with Crossair stickers were definitely leased by Crossair for flights to/from HRG and SSH. Balair obviously also leased them, as stated in the p
98 Post contains links ZRH : Christoph Franz, CEO of Swiss, was chosen by the "Handelszeitung" as manager of the year in Switzerland. Congrats. http://www.handelszeitung.ch/de/art
99 Dambuster : Congrats! Seems like Swiss is doing better aswell...
100 Post contains images Swissy : And I will try to attend as many sessions as possible.... That is nice however he would not have been able to achieve it without the LX personnel!! s
101 ZRH : That is exactly what he said. That the employees are most important.
102 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Mr. Franz is a good guy. He knows his business and works hard, but doesn't put himself into a special position. In a press interview earlier this yea
103 Sr176 : I thought Maryhuber is Austrian and Franz is German?
104 Post contains images SwissA330 : and joe ackermann swiss
105 ZRH : Yes, you are right.
106 ZRHnerd : Yeh Franz is German, my mistake, but so is Mayrhuber, he's from Bavaria.
107 LXA340 : I always thought that Mayrhuber is German, but looks like he is a real Austrian at least he was born there in the in the town of Waizenkirchen. Never
108 ZRHnerd : I noticed that LX operated a couple of flights to/from LTN over the past few days. I assume that's due to the heavy fog in LHR/LCY. All the LTN flight
109 ZRHnerd : Apparently LCY has been completely closed today, hence all LX flights to/from LCY have been cancelled. Passengers have been flown through LHR instead
110 Post contains links Magyarorszag : I would say yes. It seems that GVA will see some BA widebodies over the next few days. Attention MAD, FRA, GVA, CDG And CPH, BA Jumbo... (by Speedmar
111 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Yeh, i read about that too. Why does GVA get 744 over ZRH? Not that i'm not happy for our GVA spotters to get a BA 744, but we'd like to have one asw
112 Magyarorszag : I don't know, particularly that the other cities are much larger than GVA. Maybe it's because of the large English speaking community in the area and
113 Magyarorszag : Following one of my previous post regarding BA flying to GVA with widebodies, I've seen that tonight's flight BA737 to LHR is operated by a B772. Norm
114 HAJFlyer : I was one of those affected by this mess in LON. I was booked on the following routing ZRH-LCY-JER on 20.12. and JER-LCY-ZRH on 22nd. The ticket was
115 ZRH : Cost of the whole "adventure" to Swiss : 0 Cost to my employer: app. CHF 1000 Cost to me (apart): app. CHF 1800 (2*900 for me and my better half) sin
116 HAJFlyer : Where did I say that I blame LX for the fog ? I just stated that their handling of the situation - their crisis management - left me very disappointe
117 Post contains images LXA340 : They were not allowed to treat you like this, nevertheless how much stress they had caused through all those delays etc and as Senator you really dese
118 RJ100 : Interesting is that easyJet's flights from London to Switzerland were completely sold out in the last days- and there are no seats left today and tomo
119 Post contains images HAJFlyer : I am usually not one to complain (life is too short for that ), but I guess in this situation I will write the second complaint letter ever in my lif
120 ZRHnerd : As I don't agree the way you were treated, it might be a bit harsh to blame the whole company for the behaviour of one individual. Let's wait and see
121 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : - here the link about to whom you might complain about that behaviour : http://www.swiss.com/web/NS6/faq-con...X3Jvd19jbnQ9MTIzJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li= - b
122 HAJFlyer : Agreed. Good question. There were several reasons: 1.) LX does not have a station in Jersey 2.) The UK hot-line was hopelessly overloaded and you can
123 Post contains images Swissy : My fellow Swiss aviation fans I know it is x-mas eve and the last thing you want to do is spending time on the a-net... , however I wish you guys a me
124 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Thank you! I second that
125 SwissA330 : Yep, merry x-mas **filler**
126 Helvknight : And the same from me. Schone Weihnacht.
127 ZRHnerd : I wonder why there is no CO flight from EWR to ZRH today. I thought that service was daily? Does anybody know?
128 Magyarorszag : I've searched for the GVA flight, but there isn't any today. It's most probably due to the low level of passenger numbers just after Christmas. Cheer
129 Post contains images Lsgg : Yesterday I was driving on the GVA motorway when I noticed a big Flybaboo illuminated logo on the top right of the old (charter) terminal. As far as I
130 LXA340 : There also wasn't any flight with the B737BBJ2 operatd by Privatair for Swiss to EWR the past few days. I didn't check but probably the flight will fi
131 ZRHnerd : LX53/53 from/to BOS yesterday (arriving today morning) was operated by an A343. Does anybody know why?
132 Post contains links Magyarorszag : It appears that yesterday ZRH has seen its 19 millionth passenger, and GVA is going ever closer to the 10 million mark. (Sorry just in French and Germ
133 LXA340 : Today LX is operating again an A340 to BOS. As a consequence they cancelled the flight to JNB tonight and the TLV flight was downgraded to an A321 fo
134 Lsgg : Yes it's quite interesting : GVA has never been in such a good health, whereas ZRH had 22.7 mio of passengers in 2002. The numbers also remember to u
135 Post contains images Swissy : That is good news and it shows us that in GVA case being innovative and listen to "your" customers will result in pax growth..... Also for BSL I reme
136 Lsgg : Also Swiss are those who travel the most, that's known for ages !
137 Post contains images Swissy : That can't be since "we"are considered boring, up tight, to conservative, not enough of anything.... I mean just look at the comments about the new H
138 Post contains images Lsgg : Travelling style - smart and legacy !
139 ME AVN FAN : - Passenger traffic 2002 Type of traffic Arrival Departure Passengers Transit (2) Total Pax % of total Δ% Scheduled 7'896'967 7'865'921 15'762'88
140 Jimyvr : LX052 ZRH-BOS 27DEC - 171 on board 343 28DEC - 230 on board 332 29DEC - 191 on board 343 LX053 BOS-ZRH 27DEC - 224 on board 343 28DEC - 222 on board
141 Post contains images Lsgg : As you have probably noted I quoted Swissinfo.org So they are wrong. Why such a big difference ? When ZRH was at his top ?
142 Magyarorszag : Most probably in 2000. In the French version of Swissinfo, it is said that ZRH have had its best year in 2002 with 22,7 million, whereas, with the sa
143 Post contains images Jimyvr : Xmas and New Year Holidays is the "deadliest time" for business travellers, no one is travelling
144 Post contains images RJ100 : Today is Swiss-booking-day @RJ100. Just booked for myself a BSL-BUD-BSL ticket for 46 Swiss Francs (in January) and for my neighbours 3 tickets BSL-LC
145 Post contains images ZRHnerd : yeah they have some nice "winter specials" from BSL, I was about to book a trip, however none of me buddies wanted ot join me, and neither did my dad
146 Post contains images RJ100 : Hey ZRHnerd, it's not a winter special. It is a normal fare. I must admit the deals are great. Let's hope (for Swiss) that the fares go up otherwise I
147 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Yes they are If you book until tomorrow evening, 0:00, on BSL-WAW/MAN/PRG/NCE/BCN and another one which i cant remember, and travel between january an
148 RJ100 : Oh you are right. I was lucky to book then. And I wonder how the fares will look like after March then. Because here they have big ads with the 99 CHF
149 Post contains images ZRHnerd : I guess it will depend on the success of their campain, if they will be able to fill their flights and actually make money with these low fares, they
150 RJ100 : If they continue like that it will be a finacial failure for sure. You don't live here so you might not know that LX currently has a huge campaign in
151 ME AVN FAN : they gave the figures of 2000 or 2001 which in ZRH were the TOP years, before Swissair collapsed. But 2002 was the most disastrous one ever. What is
152 Post contains images Swissy : I now you guys are getting close to 2007 and I wish you all only the best for 2007............. Cheers, my crazy aviation fans, godspeed to all Cheers
153 RJ100 : I know many of you do not agree with me when it comes down to Swiss aviation but it doesn't matter: I wish you all a very good 2007. I hope all of you
154 Post contains links and images Speedbird747 : Happy new year to everyone! I was browsing through Anet this morning and I came across this: View Large View MediumPhoto © Rolf Wallner The opera
155 Post contains links Swissgabe : Flights are operated by Swiss Jet AG (SJT) http://www.swiss-jet.ch on behalf of Air Engiadina. Unlike in the early days, Air Engiadina won't do any s
156 Post contains images Lsgg : Here we are ! Excellent year to all ! Understood. To illustrated this could we have the market % Swissair owned in ZRH in 2000 ? And then the market
157 ME AVN FAN : > I don't have real figures at hand, but would say that in the "Bruggisser-days" Swissair had a market share of roughly 60% or higher, while the one
158 ZRHnerd : Happy new year everybody!!
159 Magyarorszag : These are pretty interesting informations, and although the Swissair "crash" was a really hard time for its employees, it has allowed a rather health
160 Post contains links Magyarorszag : For 2006, GVA passengers traffic has grown by 5,9% to a grand total of 9'962'994. Aéroport de Genève: le record de fréquentation a été battu en 2
161 Post contains links Magyarorszag : I don't know if it has already been mentionned around here, but USAirways will start new daily PHL-ZRH service from next June 8th with B762ER. US Airw
162 Post contains images Lsgg : Thanks for the news ! The +5,9% is much better than the +5% for the rest of the world Only 37006 missing for the big shot ! Too bad, only one or two
163 Post contains images Magyarorszag : Which makes an average of 27'295,873 each day. I'll let you do the maths to determine how many operational hours would have been needed to fil the ga
164 Post contains images Lsgg : Thanks but actually I'm a tiny bit lazy, that's why I said between one day and two !
165 Post contains links SwissA330 : a complete overview: http://www.sr692.com/sair/index.html BR, Pat
166 ZRHnerd : Has anybody seen the Interview with C. Franz in the "Rundschau" on SF1? He indicated that LX expects a 2006 net win of close to CHF 200 Millions. Pret
167 Post contains images AviationMaster : Nope, didn't see it, was it on today? Very impressive numbers!
168 ZRHnerd : yep, about one hour ago.
169 ZRH : With USAirways we have now all big US international airlines (UA, AA, DL, CO, US), besides NW, here in Zurich. I remember back in the 80ties there we
170 Post contains images RJ100 : BSL airport has received its 4th millionth passenger in 2006 on December 29- for the first time in history. There will be a press conference on Januar
171 SQ7345 : Hi RJ100, Everything is quiet regarding FR. Swissport in my opinion knows something but they also keep quiet. According to my information an FR delega
172 Post contains links ZRH : There is another thread about Swiss getting two 343 AND one 332 from OS. The 343 are known and confirmed but the 332 is really new (at least for me).
173 Post contains links Magyarorszag : It seems that easyJet has had a pretty good Christmas holiday season at GVA, and even more at BSL. Nombre de passagers record pour Easyjet durant les
174 Post contains images RJ100 : I was travelling from BSL to MUC and back on the 26th and talked to the easy crews. They confirmed that they were very busy. They even had flights ove
175 Magyarorszag : Following the 33% increase for Christmas compared to 2005, how many % is EZS responsible of the annual number of passengers ?
176 RJ100 : I think we will get the correct numbers on January 10th. What we hear is that easyJet has a marketshare of around 40% in BSL for 2006, followed by Air
177 Magyarorszag : About 1'600'000 passengers, that's great for BSL. Thanks for the answer. Cheers.
178 Post contains images Lsgg : Thanks a lot ! I appreciate very much these updates
179 Magyarorszag : You are welcome! The Swissair-brief is still a major issue around here...
180 Post contains images Swissy : Thanks my friend, the new years starts with very good news.... Cheers,
181 Post contains images Magyarorszag : Depends on which side of the line you stand......
182 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Cheers for the link. Lovely, they should just save themselves all the trouble and hang that pr*ck
183 Post contains images Swissy : There is only one side, the right side.... Yes there is more to come..... Do not forget to have some headache pain killers handy too.... I am a happy
184 Post contains images Magyarorszag :
185 Post contains links Dens : Hi Swiss Aviation fan, I discovered yesterday a funny website! For all Swissair Nostalgic : http://www.swr-wear.ch/ Dens
186 SQ7345 : When I read that the CFO of Swissair released a payment of CHF 25 Mio. to KPMG in England on September 28, 2001 only a few days before the grounding,
187 Post contains images Lsgg : I already knew that, it's an excellent website but unfortunately a bit expencive . Well the situation was very confused few days before the grounding
188 Post contains images Lsgg : The Swissair lawsuit is starting these days ! Please post any info / links you get about the "lawsuit of the century" (in Switzerland, according to a
189 ZRH : As a lawyer I tell you, don't expect to much from this lawsuit. I predict that not much will happen and of course won't bring us back Swissair. It is
190 Post contains images ZRHnerd : I couldnt agree more, but i hope our Belgian friends ain't reading this thread Most of them still blame SR for Sabena's demise
191 Swissy : Sure it is it is called accountability..... and there was a very good reason SR acquired SN.... but they shot them self in the a$$ as soon the Belgiu
192 ZRH : Ridiculous. Swissair mad a most stupid contract that obliged them to pay for all debts that Sabena had and made in future. Therefore SR had a horribl
193 ZRHnerd : Today, SQ brought their B773ER to ZRH for the first time, i just saw it climbing out, what a great looking bird!
194 Post contains images SRforever : yes, saw it from my office window too, you must be working near me then
195 Post contains images ZRHnerd : I'm not working, I'm a lazy student, hence i was at home I live in Bassersdorf, where do you work?
196 Post contains images SRforever : ah, good for you then (well I'm not really working at the moment either ) my office is in glattbrugg and I can watch all planes taking off from rw 16,
197 Post contains images ZRHnerd : That's what i thought You work very close to my dad then. He works in that big, grey SRTechnics building right at the Glattbrugg entrance. His office
198 Post contains images RJ100 : As per 5th of February Austrian start up carrier Smartline is launching twice daily (MON to FRI) services St.Gallen Altenrhein ACH- Mönchengladbach M
199 Post contains images Lsgg : And now a funny news : Andre Dose could be soon the next CEO of Gulf Air. The former CEO of Crossair and SWISS Intl would replace James Hogan which le
200 Humberside : Thats great news for both airport, neither of which I think presently have any scheduled flights. But is there enough demand to make the route work?
201 Post contains links FelixZRH : I think for MGL you are correct. But ACH has daily flights to VIE with OS (4 on weekdays and 2 on Saturdays and Sundays): http://www.airport-stgallen
202 RJ100 : It is an interesting concept. And what I find even better is that there are still people around who are trying to build up something in the aviation s
203 Post contains links and images SwissA330 : You forgot a certain 'swiss' airline... as always.... " target=_blank>http://www.swr-wear.ch/ http://www.swissair.aero/ has been mentioned already Ch
204 AGRflyer : I arrived earlier this morning with the new B777-300ER from Singapore. I was seated in C-class. Just one word: "Wonderful". I also liked their B747-40
205 Psimpson : From information i have looked at, Swiss will received 3 used A340-313X this year with the first HB-JMJ ex Air Canada C-FYKX due to enter service duri
206 RJ100 : No, I simply listed the three airlines with the highest market share at the airport. Swiss last year had a market share of approx. 2%, therefore is n
207 Ka : Which is postponed until mid-July. KA.
208 ZRH : No offense. But this is really very old news and discussed in airliners.net already at least two or three months ago.
209 ZRHnerd : According to my dad, this is just hot air, but you never know, however i cant see it happen.
210 LXA340 : In a pevious thread that claimed that LX would put the first A340 (ex AC) into service in February said that it would not get imediately the LX interi
211 Ka : That is how it looks at the moment according my information. KA.
212 LXA340 : Thanks, Yeah that also makes more sense. The A340 is used on all of LX's longest routes and excluding TLV all routes get First Class as well
213 SwissA330 : Is that Really the case????? a shame... Yep, my thoughts... Please read through older posts first... BR, Pat
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