WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8259 times:
The intention of this thread is to unite all members, in particular Portuguese members, do discuss what is happening with aviation in Portugal. Buy placing recent events in this thread we can all be kept up to date more easily with what is happening in regards to aviation in Portugal.
All members are welcome to contribute.
I will start off by giving a brief look into the largest airline in Portugal, TAP Portugal. As soon as I have the time I will post the remaining fleets of the other various Portuguese airlines, such as Portugalia, Euro Atlantic, SATA, HiFly, White ect....
N774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8197 times:
There is a Portugalia F100 at AMS. CS-TPB. It is in a paintshop. Will it get a new livery, since TAP is the new owmer of the company, or will the colours remain the same?
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Quoting Nimish (Reply 4): Seems like a rather limited long haul fleet - is that sufficient to meet the needs of Portugal? Does TP benefit from any connecting passengers?
SATA and White both have A310s too.
Quoting ZBA320 (Reply 6): Isn't Hi Fly formerly Air Luxor? Didn't they have a quite a few A320s in that fleet apart from the lone A330 / 340?
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8160 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 4):
Seems like a rather limited long haul fleet - is that sufficient to meet the needs of Portugal? Does TP benefit from any connecting passengers?
Well Tap Portugal is a member of Star Alliance, while Portugalia are a current associated member of Sky Team. Now that Tap has acquired Portugalia I would expect Portugalia to withdraw from Skyteam.
In regards to the fleet Tap has 13 long haul aircraft, with 5 new A330 on order from Airbus which should start to arrive in October 2007. Tap Portugal is also a launch customer for the A350 with 10 + ( 5 options).
It is also my understanding that Tap is looking to acquire 3x A332´s (PW) from Austrian Airlines, This way Tap will further expand it's longhaul fleet and destinations.
Quoting N774UA (Reply 5): There is a Portugalia F100 at AMS. CS-TPB. It is in a paint shop. Will it get a new livery, since TAP is the new owner of the company, or will the colours remain the same?
It is my understanding that both Airlines will maintain their respective identities.
Quoting ZBA320 (Reply 6): Isn't Hi Fly formerly Air Luxor? Didn't they have a quite a few A320s in that fleet apart from the lone A330 / 340?
Well Hifly/Air Luxor is a rather hard case to keep track. Hifly currently only have 1 A333 which is in servie for the Australian Air Force as troop transport to Iraq and Afghanistan. In mid May Hifly is expected to take delivery of an A340-300, which is coming from Virgin Atlantic.
Here's my contribution:
White will add an ex.EK A310 to its fleet soon
White A310
Thanks for the kind words. I have also read the same information.
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 7):
SATA and White both have A310s too.
While Euro Atlantic has 1x B757, 2x B767ER, and 1x L1011
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 7): Quoting ZBA320 (Reply 6):
Isn't Hi Fly formerly Air Luxor? Didn't they have a quite a few A320s in that fleet apart from the lone A330 / 340?
Yes they had a few ex.Ansett A320s.
From what I have read those two A320's will be joining Tap's fleet soon.
A389 From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8072 times:
Interesting thread Wings!
For some reason... maybe due to work i missed the news on TAP taking over Portugalia... although i was aware of the potential interest.
Are there any news on TP privatization?
LIS is unfortunately a constraint for TP ... very poor terminal building and airfield/ airspace constraints will at the end of the day be a constraint for at least the next 10 to 15 years!! ... In my opinion LIS should remain as the main Lisbon airport and develop other (say Alverca, Montijo whatever) into a secondary gate ... and those airports are quite close to the city center (much closer then say Girona or Reus to Barcelona)
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8060 times:
Quoting A389 (Reply 13):
For some reason... maybe due to work Smile i missed the news on TAP taking over Portugalia... although i was aware of the potential interest.
Tap Portugal has acquired 99,8% or Portugalia from (GES).
Quoting A389 (Reply 13): Are there any news on TP privatization?
From what I have read, various parties are interested in acquiring a stake in Tap Portugal. In regards to a time frame, I would expect that Tap will start negotiations as early as next year.
Quoting A389 (Reply 13): LIS is unfortunately a constraint for TP ... very poor terminal building and airfield/ airspace constraints will at the end of the day be a constraint for at least the next 10 to 15 years!! Sad... In my opinion LIS should remain as the main Lisbon airport and develop other (say Alverca, Montijo whatever) into a secondary gate ... and those airports are quite close to the city center (much closer then say Girona or Reus to Barcelona)
With the purchase of Portugalia, I would imagine that Tap will look to concentrate more activity from Porto (Oporto). This way Tap will make use of the modern facilities that Porto airport provides. I also agree with you opinion that it would be in Lisbon's best interest to open up another airfield to serve Low Cost Carriers (LCC).
Quoting A389 (Reply 13): Any news on SATA Açores fleet plans?
From my understanding SATA International has the following fleet.
ZBA320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8054 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Well Hifly/Air Luxor is a rather hard case to keep track. Hifly currently only have 1 A333 which is in servie for the Australian Air Force as troop transport to Iraq and Afghanistan. In mid May Hifly is expected to take delivery of an A340-300, which is coming from Virgin Atlantic.
Ah right. Thanks for the explanation Wings.
Great thread!
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WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8046 times:
NEWS UPDATE:
According to Mr Fernando Pinto, Tap is negotiating acquiring additional aircraft from both a European airline (Austrian Airlines?) and a North American Airline (Air Canada?) I would imagine that it would be for the A330/340. His main aim is for Tap to continue with expansion into North America, Brazil and Africa.
Sorry folks only in Portuguese:
Fernando Pinto disse que o crescimento da companhia far-se-á através dos Estados Unidos e, sobretudo, do Brasil e África, embora muito dependente de conseguir aviões de longo cruso disponíveis para o fazer.
Explicou que a TAP está em negociações com uma companhia europeia e outra da América do Norte para a aquisição de aviões para reforçar a frota de longo curso, uma vez que os A330 que chegarem em 2007 são para substituir os actuais A310.
BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2777 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7955 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 16): and a North American Airline (Air Canada?) I would imagine that it would be for the A330/340.
Interesting! But am I wrong, or does AC only have A340-500s? I know Air Transat has A330 but they're very unlikely to get rid of them, so AC seems likely.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7948 times:
Well hopefully more of our Portuguese members will give a helping hand with whats happening with aviation in Portugal. Come on folks lets get this thread moving. Lets all participate so that we can all be keep up to date with what's happening.
Does anyone know what happening to the proposed start up of Lusitania Airways?
I noticed that their web site still has no information. Anyone have any update into proposed fleet and routes?
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7943 times:
Quoting ,reply=17:
Interesting! But am I wrong, or does AC only have A340-500s? I know Air Transat has A330 but they're very unlikely to get rid of them, so AC seems likely.
Hi BuyantUkhaa,
Well according to www.airfleets.net Air Canada have the following Airbus widebody's in it's fleet.
A333 x 8
A343 x 9
A345 x 2
In regards to Air Transat they have the following:
A313 x 11
A332 x 3
A333 x1
I would imagine that Tap would be more inclined to be discussing acquiring from Austrian and Air Canada, as they are both Star Alliance members.
BHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7865 times:
Hi Wings...
Good thread, and greetings from the Algarve.
Quoting WINGS (Reply 18): Does anyone know what happening to the proposed start up of Lusitania Airways?
According to Transportes XXI they are due to get going in March 2007 using a 763.
It would be nice to see some expansion of TP direct services down here at FAO, but it seems unlikely. With TP's only direct flight (excluding LIS) out of FAO now changed to LGW (at 06.25) from LHR, TP has effectively handed over London to BA and the LCC's.
The leisure market out of FAO continues to grow, as FR's FAO GRO and FAO MAD services get under way, despite them now refering to us as Faro/Huelva on their website! (Huelva is 70mi / 115km from Faro!)
Unfortunately, I heard today that the long running rumour of (BA franchise) GB Airways closing its overseas offices is correct. After some 35 years of presence in FAO, GT will hand over to Groundforce at a date yet to be decided, and close their desk. Staff will have have the choice of joining Groundforce or leaving and being compensated by GT.
And that's about it from down here....
Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6865 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7848 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 4): Seems like a rather limited long haul fleet - is that sufficient to meet the needs of Portugal? Does TP benefit from any connecting passengers?
You need to put it in context. TP is still realing from many years of bad management. They now appear to be on the right path. LIS is operating at capacity in terms of the ability to handle large aircraft. They are currently increasing the space for remote bays but there really isn't much room to park aircraft. In addition, there are lots of options in terms of charter operationg to server the long haul market. Yes, TP as a fairly limited long-haul fleet, but they are slowly increasing it, as they can and when they can.
Quoting ZBA320 (Reply 6): Isn't Hi Fly formerly Air Luxor? Didn't they have a quite a few A320s in that fleet apart from the lone A330 / 340?
Hi Fly is a "spinoff" of Air Luxor, a result of Air Luxor going under.
Hi Fly is what the owners could salvage from the debacle that was Air Luxor.
They just offer limited charters, primarily for troop transport.
Quoting WINGS (Reply 16): His main aim is for Tap to continue with expansion into North America, Brazil and Africa.
I've been wondering for how much longer they can continue to ignore BOS and YYZ. I would be surprised to see them increase service to NYC either. They once operated twice daily from NYC. YYZ-LIS-JNB and NYC-LIS-DKR could be very lucrative routes for TP.
I'm a little disapointed there there's still no talk of service to China or Japan. I think Brazil-China or Brazil-Japan with a stop in LIS/OPO could also be tremendously lucrative for TP. AC's A345's would fit like a glove on a route like GRU-LIS-NRT or GRU-LIS-PVG.
Greeting's from Aveiro. It's good to have a member from the south. That way you can keep us informed with what's happening in that region.
Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 21): Quoting WINGS (Reply 18):
Does anyone know what happening to the proposed start up of Lusitania Airways?
According to Transportes XXI they are due to get going in March 2007 using a 763.
That's great news. That will make Lusitania the second B763 operator after Euro Atlantic. Would you happen to know if it's the ER model?
Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 21): It would be nice to see some expansion of TP direct services down here at FAO, but it seems unlikely. With TP's only direct flight (excluding LIS) out of FAO now changed to LGW (at 06.25) from LHR, TP has effectively handed over London to BA and the LCC's.
Like I mentioned previously, I would lean to believe that Tap will concentrate more of it's resources for international expansion from Porto. Porto is a perfect gateway for many Spaniards that live in the Galiza region.
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 22):
I've been wondering for how much longer they can continue to ignore BOS and YYZ. I would be surprised to see them increase service to NYC either. They once operated twice daily from NYC. YYZ-LIS-JNB and NYC-LIS-DKR could be very lucrative routes for TP.
Hopefully it will not be too long. Both markets have great potential for Tap.
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 22):
I'm a little disapointed there there's still no talk of service to China or Japan. I think Brazil-China or Brazil-Japan with a stop in LIS/OPO could also be tremendously lucrative for TP. AC's A345's would fit like a glove on a route like GRU-LIS-NRT or GRU-LIS-PVG.
Well I have thought about this scenario. I have to admit that I actually like it.
Regards,
Wings
Aviation Is A Passion.
25 A389: Hi all... and greetings from the rainy Dubai Although not particularly active (where are all Portuguese a.neters?) this thread is quite interesting so
26 Airbazar: Actually last time I was there, there was a SATA A310 parked at the gate right next to ours. So the airbridges can accomodate some widebody aircraft.
27 JJJ: VLC used to receive the B1900, upgraded a couple of years ago to the Saab2000. The other Saab 2000 goes IIRC to a French destination (TLS or NCE, I c
28 SwissA330: If only it wasn't at ota but rather montija or azambuja... I hate the thought of not beeing right in the middle of lisbon anymore after landing... Th
29 Airbazar: The current location is awesome for us enthusiasts but it's not self-sustainable and there's no more room for growth. Montijo and Azambuja aren't exa
30 SwissA330: No, no metro yet. The next station would be Campo Grande and go there by bus (I also walked it once, around 30min) However you are absolutely right a
31 Airbazar: The average tourist is the least of the problems. They don't really care where the airport is. A 30-60 minute bus ride to/from the airport makes no d
32 SwissA330: Point taken, but they have watefront with the tejo estuary on three sides and they could probably buy the land now already? Also, there's always landf
33 LipeGIG: Wings, amazing thread , as usual ! My little contribution is that there are plans to increase flights to Brazil very soon with more services to GIG an
34 ScarletHarlot: I will check in too. I'm not Portuguese, but Mr. Harlot is Portuguese-Canadian - and WINGS, his family is from just south of Aveiro. Mae and Pae Harlo
35 Planemanofnz: Could it be possible that new low cost start up Viva Macau might fly Macau to Lisbon with one of it's 762ER's? At the moment, the airline said that it
36 Airbazar: It doesn't matter if they buy the land now. The aircraft still have to take off and land over heavily populated areas, and the residents won't allow
37 SwissA330: Isn't it rather the other way round? It's about the only ex-colony in asia that once had/might have a direct connection to LIS? Ok, it's a bit unaccu
38 Planemanofnz: No. HKG-LHR/LGW SIN-LHR CGK-AMS BOM-LHR Also, there are AF flights to Vietnam (French Indo-China). Makes you think. Do you know when they dropped Mac
39 SwissA330: OK I get it know, i thought you were talking about portuguese ex-colonies with flights back to PT, but what you ment was all asian ex-colonies back t
40 Airbazar: Yeah, I exagerated it a bit But i think it's fair to assume that anything as far as Vila France and Mafra will soon all be part of Greater Lisbon. As
41 WINGS: Well I would like to thank all that have participated in this thread. Hopefully all will continue to contribute in the future. Greeting's A389, It's n
42 ScarletHarlot: I do....Gafanha do Areão. It was my first trip to Europe so the age of the cities and buildings was very different. I loved Evora and the walled cit
44 Kiramakora: I am not Portuguese by any measure; but good to see a Portuguese Aviation Thread. It is one of my favourite countries in Europe and I wish the thread
45 Airbazar: To Macau? Not a chance. Even when Macau was a Portuguese territory there were very few links between the two. If TP would ever take expansion into As
46 BuyantUkhaa: Problem is not width, it's length. That gate must have been gate 7, the only one that has widebodies, the biggest being the LH A300. Here the aircraf
47 RicardoFG: Ola de YYZ!!! Wings great thread once again! I bring this up a lot in many forums, and quite often get lambasted cuz of it, but its wishful thinking i
48 Flying Belgian: Hi !!! Is it true that TP has leased the 4 Ex-OS A332s ??? Thanks, FB.
49 SwissA330: No. Actually all the info is already posted above... : I.E. TP currently has 3 A330 (ex SR), 5 on Order @ Airbus and is interested in furter A330 from
50 WINGS: Well folks for those that have not yet seen the recent updated images of the A350XWB in Tap's colors. Regards, Wings
51 WINGS: NEWS UPDATE: Easyjet is to sign an agreement tomorrow for operation to and from Porto (Oporto) Sorry folks link in Portuguese: EasyJet vai começar a
52 Airbazar: If I remember correctly, when negotiations to bring the Metro to the airport first started (we're talking 15 years ago), there was a lot of oppositio
53 AMSSFO: c/s remains the same as can be seen at QAPS website: http://www.qaps.nl/Facility2.html (site will be updated as soon as aircarft has left the paint s
54 WINGS: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL. Check out the following link: http://www.flytap.com/postal_natal/dinamica/Index_2_v6.html Regards, Wings
55 Humberside: Just Planes reports TAP will stop Sao Tome flights on January 13th (sorry if old news)
56 A388: Interesting thread! Will there be a nonstop flight between FNC/LIS to CUR again in the (near) future? I know we get two charter flights every year to
57 Airbazar: IIRC, the Curacao flight was a stopover on the flight to CCS. I suspect it was droped when TP figured they could fill the plane to/from CCS without t
58 SwissA330: HAPPY NEW YEAR FELIZ ANO NOVO! So, any news in Portugal since X-Mas? Or everyone still on vacation? 1 abraço, Pat
59 BuyantUkhaa: Well I started a new thread but let's keep it centralised: On Dec 18, Aerocondor announced it would end its flights between Madeira and Porto Santo a
60 SwissA330: I thought the flights from FNC to Porto Santo were TAP code shares? Or at least sold by Tap. Wouldn't they take over some financial guarantee or simil
61 Pacifique75: I think TAP simply havent got any small aircraft to operate such a short leg! Even though SATA is using a larger aircraft, ATP, than Aerocondor TAP h
62 BuyantUkhaa: TAP does fly triangles LIS-FNC-PXO-LIS and v.v. (once a week I think, or more?) but that's just a way to get serve both destinations easily with one p
63 WINGS: BREAKING NEWS: Well acording to CH-Aviation, Tap will be receiving 3 A332 from Austrian. http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php Regards, Wings
64 Vega9000: I, for one, will miss the Shorts 360 to Porto Santo...
65 RicardoFG: where is that shown on the website?? And can someone please tell TP to paint the winglets this time also in the TP tail colours????????
66 TAP1972: Hello all Greetings from Amsterdam and Happy New Year Great thread Wings....as usual I didn't have the chance to read all the posts but there's one su
67 Airbazar: Unfortunately this is a common complaint about TAP. Believe it or not things are way better from only a few years ago so there's been significant imp
68 RicardoFG: Its actually 3 coming from Austrian OE-LAM OE-LAN OE-LAO when though who knows... I couldnt agree more!
69 FXramper: Love the country, folks worked there for 62 months, and want to retire in their flat they just purchased from the company near Belem. A few pics I've
70 TAP1972: The VERY LONG wait for luggage is because you can take less than 5 mins to get to the carrousel if the plane parks in the air bridge. If the aircraft
71 WINGS: The main issue for the punctuality with Tap is the lack of planes. Hopefully with the recent acquisition of some A320's + 3 A332's Tap will manage to
72 RicardoFG: What is the scoop with TP buying NI?? Did that ever go through?? Will those a/c be repainted in TP colours?? If not, is NI going to renew there aging
73 Airbazar: Oh the ground handling... That has been such a chronic problem. We all know that our fellow compatriots can't always match the Anglo-Saxon work ethic
74 BuyantUkhaa: Really??? Oh dear, they've come a long way then. I moved to Portugal 4,5 years ago and fly TP regularly on LIS-BRU, LIS-AMS and LIS-LHR and I actuall
75 TAP1972: Guys I am right now at Schipol and guess what, the eveniing flight to LIS is again delayed, 50 minutes today........ Don't miss understand me, I like
76 BuyantUkhaa: More news: Starting May 1, Thomsonfly will operate LIS-MAN 5x weekly (123x5x7). Starting May 25, BMIBaby will operate LIS-BHX (1x3x56x) Also (but this
77 SwissA330: Are you sure?? I know that this was not the case with Madeira flights, you could buy ZRH-LIS-FNC. Somehow i cannot believe this, 5-6 years ago was 20
78 BuyantUkhaa: I didn't say that! It was AirBazar.
79 Airbazar: Maybe I am a bit off with the years. Maybe Madeira was different. When did Mr. Fernando Pinto come to TP? He was the one to introduce thru tickets be
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... In my opinion LIS should remain as the main Lisbon airport and develop other (say Alverca, Montijo whatever) into a secondary gate ... and those airports are quite close to the city center (much closer then say Girona or Reus to Barcelona)
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