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Frontier Announces New YVR Service  
User currently offlineNZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7632 times:

According to frontierairlines.com, Frontier will begin new non-stop service between Denver and Vancouver on May 5, 2007.

A press release should be out shortly.


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

This is excellent news. DEN-YVR will probably be a gold mine for them. Hopefully we'll see mainline A319 service.

User currently offlineNZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
Hopefully we'll see mainline A319 service.

It looks like it will be 318/319 mainline service, as the flight numbers for the new route are in the mainline range:

631 DEN-YVR 1000-1200
632 YVR-DEN 1255-1650



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
DEN-YVR will probably be a gold mine for them

In the summer, yes...the rest of the year will likely be weak.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
In the summer, yes...the rest of the year will likely be weak.

Even during the winter months, DL's SLC-YVR service runs two thirds to three quarters full at least so it seams.



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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7538 times:

This would also mean a codeshare "FL/F9" ATL-YVR service with one stop I suppose? If year round and marketed correctly could put a crimp in DL's direct and ATL/SLC/YVR service or at least help bring down prices for consumers.


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User currently offlineNZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

The press release is now out:

Excerpt:

"DENVER, Dec. 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Frontier Airlines (NASDAQ: FRNT) today announced it will launch daily non-stop service between its Denver International Airport (DEN) hub and Vancouver International Airport (YVR) beginning May 5, 2007. Passengers aboard the flight between Denver and Vancouver will enjoy the comfort and convenience of Frontier's new Airbus A319 aircraft, with 33 inches of legroom as well as 24 channels of DIRECTV® service and a choice of three pay-per-view movies in every seatback.

"Vancouver and Denver are both vibrant cities with stunning mountain views, thriving business communities and plenty of activities for business and leisure travelers," said John Happ, senior vice president of marketing and planning for Frontier. "Vancouver is the largest port for Alaskan cruises with over one million passengers per year and over 300 sailings, so we have created a summer schedule for our Denver and U.S. connecting passengers that takes advantage of the tremendous cruise market there. In October, we will change our schedule to provide ideal connections for our Vancouver passengers who want to travel to the stunning beaches of Mexico in the winter. It is truly a win-win proposition no matter which country you are traveling from or to.""



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7394 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 5):
This would also mean a codeshare "FL/F9" ATL-YVR service with one stop I suppose? If year round and marketed correctly could put a crimp in DL's direct and ATL/SLC/YVR service

This could be part of the equation, given how FL will chomp at the bit to compete with DL. DL has a direct ATL-YVR flight 5x daily though as I recall.

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 5):
or at least help bring down prices for consumers.

I hope this is the case since during the "tourist" months fares from SLC-YVR typically run $600.00 (USD)+, but then fall off by about 30% during the slower period (November-April).



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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1303 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7376 times:

The 2010 Winter Olympics and Paralympic will be held in Vancouver and nearby Whistler.
http://www.vancouver2010.com/en

Over a million people a year pass through Vancouver each year enroute to a cruise ship.

This is good news for the folks who live in Vancouver who will be able to connect to all of Frontier's Mexico markets.

This was a logical next Canadian destination for Frontier.



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User currently offlineSalomon From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

Great news! On a side note, how are they doing with the YYC route? I know they were not doing very well at the beginning.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25078 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7237 times:
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Quoting Salomon (Reply 9):
Great news! On a side note, how are they doing with the YYC route?

The last time Frontier discussed YYC, they said it would be going mainline at some point.

But - they don't have a lot of mainline aircraft to spare and the new regional provider is not yet decided.

mariner



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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

So where next? YEG, YWG, YYZ, or YUL? How bout YMM???

It'll also be interesting to see if they're brazen enough to try FAI.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5800 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Quote:
In October, we will change our schedule to provide ideal connections for our Vancouver passengers who want to travel to the stunning beaches of Mexico in the winter.

Sounds like a recognition of traffic, follow it north when appropriate then south.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

For the sake of thoroughness F9 may want to advertise the new passport requirement for entrering Canada effective Jan 2007 on their website http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html


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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7):
This could be part of the equation, given how FL will chomp at the bit to compete with DL. DL has a direct ATL-YVR flight 5x daily though as I recall.

DL has 1X Daily Non-Stop ATL-YVR in Summer Only and I do not believe this flight even operates daily.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25078 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6920 times:
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Quoting Kohflot (Reply 11):
So where next? YEG, YWG, YYZ, or YUL? How bout YMM???

My vote is YOW.

We know they've had at least some talks.

 Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineEdmonchuck From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
In the summer, yes...the rest of the year will likely be weak.

I'd have to disagree. YVR can offer excellent winter vacations and gets you out of that Denver "drier than a popcorn fart" winter air that I hated.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25078 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6810 times:
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Quoting Edmonchuck (Reply 16):
and gets you out of that Denver "drier than a popcorn fart" winter air that I hated.

Funny. That's funny. Mind if I use that line? Not that you'll ever know if I do.  Smile

mariner



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

Quoting Edmonchuck (Reply 16):
YVR can offer excellent winter vacations and gets you out of that Denver "drier than a popcorn fart" winter air that I hated.

This is true, but so is the fact that passenger numbers to YVR and ANC drop through the floor once the season is over.



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User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
My vote is YOW.

We know they've had at least some talks.

They've had talks? I think they'd certainly do well on that route. Besides the traffic on YOW-DEN, they'd likely draw a lot of traffic beyond DEN. Now the question is, if FL were to start that route, how would UA respond?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25078 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6596 times:
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Quoting Jamincan (Reply 19):
They've had talks?

As reported in the press. When Frontier started, or maybe when they announced, YYC, the airport director (?) at YOW said he was "talking to" Frontier.

He did not expect an immediate response, or immediate service, but said he felt they had a good shot at it "eventually".

I've no idea how extensive or productive the talks were, and Frontier sometimes has a long-ish time frame on these things. They talked about Canada for about four years before they started YYC.

Drives me nuts!  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6521 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
This is true, but so is the fact that passenger numbers to YVR and ANC drop through the floor once the season is over.

I wouldn't necessarily say that they drop through the floor, though the passenger numbers aren't as high in the winter as they are in the summer. Keep in mind YVR is a gateway to quite a few ski resorts as well as a connecting point for North America-Asia which is a pretty busy market year round.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6506 times:

Quoting Jayce (Reply 21):
Keep in mind YVR is a gateway to quite a few ski resorts as well as a connecting point for North America-Asia which is a pretty busy market year round.

....neither of which draws any significant traffic. You're connecting ski resorts to other major ski resorts (what else is there besides Blackcomb/Whistler?); the number of people that leave Colorado to go elsewhere to ski are few, and the numbers connecting to Asia through Canada are few as well.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5800 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6492 times:

Quoting Jayce (Reply 21):
I wouldn't necessarily say that they drop through the floor, though the passenger numbers aren't as high in the winter as they are in the summer. Keep in mind YVR is a gateway to quite a few ski resorts as well as a connecting point for North America-Asia which is a pretty busy market year round.



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):
....neither of which draws any significant traffic. You're connecting ski resorts to other major ski resorts (what else is there besides Blackcomb/Whistler?); the number of people that leave Colorado to go elsewhere to ski are few, and the numbers connecting to Asia through Canada are few as well.

As I noted in reply 12 above I think that Frontier is aware of the winter traffic change. Their press release says that the schedule will change in October to accomodate Canadians connecting to southern warm weather resorts.

So the question to watch will be to see if they can make in-roads into capturing the southbound traffic in the winter away from the existing competition.



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User currently offlineQB737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

Yes! Yes! Yes!  bigthumbsup   bouncy 

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
In the summer, yes...the rest of the year will likely be weak.

I work for a ski tour operator, we will make sure to fill those babies!


25 SLCUT2777 : I wonder how well they will do in being an alternative to the charters offered by Signature and SunQuest Vacations on Skyservice or AirTransit? It ma
26 Mariner : I would guess - only a guess - that Frontier probably has some evidence about connecting traffic from YYC. How does it work for Delta at SLC? But I a
27 YYCowboy : This is the only way Frontier MIGHT survive. And Edmonton being humid and warm?
28 DYK : I would think Frontier may use Vancouver as a connection point to Asian carriers?
29 ZBBYLW : OK so Whistler is the biggest, next up Big White (Kelowna, BC) Silver Star (Vernon, BC) Apex Resort (Penticton, BC) Sun Peaks (Kamloops, BC) as well
30 Kohflot : I only disagree with you in that YOW doesn't offer a lot of two-way traffic. And noting the seasonal two-way traffic of both YVR and YYC, I have to t
31 Post contains links Boeing744 : Great to hear about this new service! It'll be nice to see some more A318s there other than the occasional MX one. Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 29): OK so Wh
32 ZBBYLW : Grouse, Cypress and Mt. Seymour i would not believe actually attract anyone to come to YVR, instead it is something someone might do while in YVR all
33 Bicoastal : United already flies the route year round so I don't know why Frontier entering the market SEASONALLY is such a big deal.
34 MAH4546 : The service is year-round. During the winter, the schedule will be flipped so that it is aimed at Vancouver-Sun Destination traffic.
35 Post contains images Mariner : That may be so - YEG anyway - although I wouldn't rule out DEN-YQR. My original preference would have been for DEN-YUL, but AC started that. So I pre
36 JumboBumbo : I don't know that that's true... most people I know in CO would travel for skiing in a heartbeat... and Whistler was always a top destination. Avid s
37 YOW : Why doesn't it? Won't be YUL now that AC is back on YUL-DEN. Given how YEG is booming at the moment, it would make sense. Exactly and as long as UA d
38 Edmonchuck : I'd have to agree here. LW has more of a chance to get an Alaska mainline upgrade from F9 before any other US carrier. Too bad that YLW and YYF could
39 MaverickM11 : That segment doesn't worry about affordable fares. The segment that does worry about price is not flying out of state to go skiing--they're going to
40 Edmonchuck : Well, they do have a price point, but yes, flying to go skiing is a heck of a lot more demand elastic than most market demographics.
41 SLCUT2777 : For SLC, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection has a clearance section at the bottom floor of the "International Terminal" (what is really Terminal
42 MaverickM11 : Whistler/Blackcomb is my favorite ski destination in the world hands down. Vail/Aspen/Park City are definitely in the same league as Whistler/Blackco
43 Edmonchuck : My friend...one must experience Whistler to understand...but if you want my opinion I find Whistler better.
44 GentFromAlaska : For me it only took one drive through Jasper National Park, to Banff. This piece of Canadian real estate is North America's Switzerland
45 Threepoint : Ignoring for the moment the mangled metaphor, what do you mean regarding YLW & YYF cooperation? I'm not sure how the two airports could complement ea
46 Edmonchuck : Mangled metaphor aside ( I was trying to be a bit cleaner), in the Bill Bennett days there was an intention of getting Penticton and Kelowna together
47 Post contains images Edmonchuck : ..yes, but a bit different experience than Whistler. You go here to take your kids and take pictures. You go to Whistler to take pictures and hopeful
48 Threepoint : Interesting analysis, but there are a few local hiccups. Hwy 97 is (finally) getting pieces of the upgrade it deserves, but it remains a painful proc
49 F9Animal : This is great news for Frontier. Expansion into the Canada market is a nice move on their part. YVR has a good traffic base, and the cruise season may
50 Post contains images Mariner : And more than a couple of dots on that map just begging to be connected. mariner
51 YVRLTN : Good point - my company just had to attend a seminar in CUN - 5G & TS operate nice direct flights, but not on days useful to attend a business functi
52 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : That my friend is the big difference between a charter like TS or 5G vs. scheduled service on AC, UA or DL, but you do pay more for the scheduled ser
53 Post contains images YVRLTN : LOL - im a Brit, so say what you want about Canadians, although im going to be here for the forseeable, ive only been here for a year so far - summer
54 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : LOL! It's you Brits that corrupted the Canucks to take longer "holidays!" Typically the Brits go for 3 week stints, the Canucks for 2 weeks and us Ya
55 Mariner : And CZM, ZIH and ACA. (And GDL). Some of the service (ACA, eg) is seasonal, and I guess the YVR schedule will be changed in October to reflect good c
56 JumboBumbo : LIR, SJO? Man is Costa Rica getting HUGE!!! Just think... one day linking turns at Vail, the next day ripping surf at Witch's Rock... that'd be sweet
57 Post contains links and images Mariner : You win! They keep saying it. Or - correction - they mostly say "Central America". But sometimes they get specific: http://tiquicia-cr.blogspot.com/2
58 Post contains images JumboBumbo : Although the author identifies SJO as the "primary airport" in Costa Rica, I believe that LIR would be a better fit for F9. As many people I overheard
59 Post contains images Edmonchuck : That is what I was dancing around...
60 Post contains images YVRLTN : Too right - i made sure i kept my FOUR weeks per year when i transferred over... But back to topic, if i want to go to any of these wonderful places
61 SLCUT2777 : Lets hope that F9 will help further encourage WN & B6 to get into the trans-border market since I for one feel there needs to be more competition in
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